A bad omen of things to come...

Do you know how much cash crops does the US exports every year?

China buys a lot to feed its people.

China has bought as much as 1.6 million metric tons of new-crop U.S. corn in recent deals, taking advantage of a steep fall in global prices from record highs over the last three weeks to replenish its reserves.

Source (July 7, 2011)

I know that much of the crop from Minnesota here is purchased by China and the crops here are doing very well this year. It was a bumpy start with the excess rains, but now that it has dried out, things are flourishing. The excessive heat with humidity is unbearable, but the plants love it.

Be Well.

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If i make it down you way then the drinks are on me. My brother is a Marine also

Originally posted by SunnyDee
THis was covered on the national news last night. I was shocked to see the devastation and could not believe it had gotten this bad,and happened so quietly. Maybe because it will get worse with food shortages etc in the near future. The weather map of the country was also a shocker with weather from 100-120 degrees covering 2/3 of the country.

A bad omen indeed.

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But after all there are more important things to cover in the News, like Casey Anthony. (being sarcastic)

I feel so so sorry for human kind , we think of ourselves before others, and this is were the problem lies , I also feel for the American farmers who are going through this ,and no doubt farmers all over the world are finding themselves in the same situation , don't you think mankind should learn it's lesson ,I am not just putting down the us government .One state has no rain and water to feed there crops and other states have to much , but there must be a balance in the ecosystem , and be quite honest I don't think any country around the world has this , but my point here is, charity begins at home and the United states government instead of spending billions or even trillions of your money should find better ways of helping the American people than spending there money on weapons , let me get to the point here all the money that the Federal government has blown squanderd spent with out your knowledge , hundreds if not thousands of trillions of dollars could have being spent more wisely than it has , I could go on for ever , take the hoover dam how much water does that hold , were should that water be down stream irrigating the land , then so and so farmers would have more fertile land wouldnt he .but theirs lots of ways you could solve this problem , our world has vast oceans and the zillions of dollars your government and previous government should have addressed this issue No water no life AKA more weapons no life .

Originally posted by amongus
So, if we can control the weather like a lot of ATS members are convinced of, why not seed the clouds and end it?

I can see the replies now: "Its apart of the NWO's plan".

Hmmm well ...I would say that instead of saying

"we can control the weather"

TPTB are attempting to control the weather....

There is a big difference between the two...... unknown side effects could occur

I live in Utah .... and people were Skiing on the 4th of July .... that's rare.... some of our peaks are still snow capped! Just a decade ago Utah was in a "drought"

Originally posted by DaddyBareLivestock producers were culling herds because of shortages of forage and of hay. Stock-water tanks were getting low. Just last night I saw on TV a Texas rancher tell how he was selling off 5,000 head of cattle, not for top dollar but anything he could get because they were simply dying in his fields. he is only one of thousands of other ranchers in the same boat...

I am a dairyman from NW Missouri; here we have the opposite issue. The National Guard has a Company of young men and women at the local HS right now filling sand bags 24/7 along the Missouri and Grand Rivers.

My pasture is so rich with water that I had to restrict my dairy herds’ daily access for fear they'd bloat on too much rich grass. That said its now been 1 ½ weeks without appreciable rain. Last month we had +3in over the mean rainfall but it all happened in the last week one storm was 5 inches of rain 70-80 mph winds.

I feel for my agricultural brethren; however, I have also reaped a windfall. I usually only raise steer for the family and one or two on grass for friends (it costs virtually nothing); however, with the sell offs in Texas I have ventured in 10K with some other farmers in the area and bought 1000 head of feeders and cow calf pairs. Hopefully this will pay off for us.

I got delivery last week of the saddest most pathetic looking cow-calf pairs ever. They were emaciated basically. When we let them off they went straight for the waterers. I almost felt bad when we had to work them all through the chute for checkups and shots.

Put them out on pasture and they were swimming in the pond immediately. Potential exists to make 4-5 times my money if they all make it. I lost 5 calves in first 2 days but rest seem to be ok.

Crossing my fingers. Could really use the windfall to pay off recent acreage purchase.

So this is why prices are going through the roof on so much stuff. I'm finally starting to understand what the deal is. Things could start getting really dicey, especially since we export a lot of food in the U.S. And lest we forget, all the small farmers that could go out of the business (aka family-owned, REAL farms).

I live in the plains of Colorado(my dads a farmer and I help him in the summer while not in school), while i can't speek for the rest of Colorado we have had record breaking wheat crops this year. My dad says this is the best wheat crop he has ever raised and he's been a farmer for about 40 years. Ever since i can remember however we've been in somewhat of a drought out here and the past couple years had extreme amounts of grasshoppers and black flys. I'm hopeing that the droughts elsewhere are just a result of climate changes throughout the world. Im not an expert in climate changes by no means just thought i'd let you know here in the plains we and everyone around us are having record breaking wheat crops and the corn is growing strong.

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While it is true some areas have record-breaking crop yeilds this year, overall the picture is much bleaker. I'm already picking up worries among farmers, processors and speculators that next season's crops are going to be very dicey, as the timings are off, stuff got planted late and will be vulnerable to early frosts.

Globally supplies are in trouble, especially when you factor in the losses expected next year from this year's flooding, drought and radiation problems.

Anyone relying exclusively on the global food chain is going to be in serious trouble. Plant a big garden to ensure your ability to feed yourself and your family.

Originally posted by DaddyBare
I'm telling you it is as bad as bad gets and I bet everyone of us will be facing a real crisis due to food shortages and lack of corn to produce gasoline additives... Folks right now we stand on the edge of an event of historic proportions and frankly I'm more than a little worried.

Instead of worrying about the doom and gloom, I am embracing our current situation as an opportunity. We are living through a period in Earth's existence, which the planet is going through natural geological changes.

Its okay.

Regardless about how much resources we have, humanity cannot stop the planet from evolving. Our current situation is beyond the scope of our species. Even though the next phase is going to be tragic, the most important thing to remember is 'things happen for a reason'.

Link: Extinction Events

Known Viral Extinction
Smallpox
The Plague
The Black Death

Modern Climate Change Events
Medieval Warming Period
Mini Ice-Age

Known Geological Extinction Events
Cretaceous–Tertiary
Triassic–Jurassic
Permian–Triassic
Late Devonian
Ordovician–Silurian

Lesser Extinction Events
Quaternary
Middle Miocene Disruption
Eocene–Oligocene
Aptian extinction
Toarcian turnover
Olson's Extinction
Carboniferous Rainforest Collapse (Climate Change)
Silurian

(See Lesser Section in Link Above for More)

Mankind was not the first species to live during massive geological changes.

Something the climate change people will not show anyone...

Link: Carboniferous Rainforest Collapse

The Carboniferous Rainforest Collapse (CRC) was an extinction event that occurred around 305 million years ago in the Carboniferous period).[1] Vast coal forests (so called because the compacted remains of the dense vegetation formed coal seams) covered the equatorial region of Euramerica (Europe and America). Climate change devastated tropical rainforests, fragmenting the forests into isolated 'islands' and causing the extinction of many plant and animal species. The change was abrupt, happening during the Moscovian and Kasimovian stages of the Pennsylvanian.

What is that?

Global warming is known to occur without the presence of mankind?

305 million years ago?

Mankind was not around 305 million years ago, and the Earth still went through climate changing events. Many species did go extinct.

Does not anyone think that we are due?

Here is my optimistic...
Even though tragedy will eventually occur, I believe mankind will adapt and evolve to the new conditions.

Originally posted by Astr0
...
Its that simple and with the coming years looking bleaker, well all I can say is the USA just stole Libyas water and the Bush family are sat on Peru's largest underground aquifier.

coincidence? don't you believe it.

Do you have actual evidence for what you are claiming, or is this just some sort of hearsay??

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Originally posted by jibeho
Makes me fear that the dust bowl my once again spring to life in the Midwest and looking the two recent dust storms in Phoenix does not give me hope either.

It's a sad situation. If not floods then drought...

I heard that when he dust bowl started along with the drought alot of fields were plowed and planted but had no growth.The loss of native grasses along with dry ground and drought made things worse.

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Cant say I disagree with you...
we humans have done all we can to piss off mother earth...
but I do worry... for my kids and my adorable little granddaughter...

if nothing else I can give them the tools to endure and survive

two weeks ago i drove from Denver to Baltimore, mostly on I70. Lots of rolling green grasslands in colorado to mid kansas. then crops. i recalled the corn was about a foot tall, where planted, in the west, and by maryland, almost 4 foot. likely earlier planting in the east. I saw some irrigation in the east.
I expected to see a lot more cattle in the west, given the plethora of green grass... just a few herds of black angus. think i have some pics shot through the windshield. took one of an army recruitment 18 wheeler with the ominous note.. join the army for psy op training. really. along with civil disorder training.
Of course, rainfall data along i70 over time would give a more accurate picture of drought. But my eye and camera did not see clear evidence of it.

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were a bit south of I 70... I 44 is closer
in fact just 20 miles south of us we held a Route 66 rally....
this of course was before the tornado wiped out Joplin which is just across the state line from me

Originally posted by DaddyBarewere a bit south of I 70... I 44 is closer
in fact just 20 miles south of us we held a Route 66 rally....
this of course was before the tornado wiped out Joplin which is just across the state line from me

I feel for the people in Joplin right now - I live in MO in the NW almost to Iowa.

There are people living in tent cities still. They are rotating the expectant mothers and small kids into limited AC.

I know its hot having lived in a tent in the desert for a while.

The thermometer in my barn says 85 degrees today - the fans and the shade help a lot.

Inside it is 15 degrees cooler than the 100 degree air temp and 114 heat index. However, the cows have been swimming in the pond all day. Horses want to all stand in the barn in front of the fans; the dogs stayed inside for a change even.

The chickens are the ones I am worried about I can't get the temp in the house down bellow 90 degrees and it has cut my daily egg production in half.

Anyway back to Joplin...here they are having a fan drive (along with other items still) at the local farm stores. They said if you donated a big farm fan they would return them by winter -

I have a couple spares, so I took one of my older ones down to the CoOp - I guess they will just keep mine as I forgot to mark it in some way O.o ....

If your stores ( I think Orshlens is doing it also) are having the same drive you can donate the use of a fan (if you want it back that is) or money for them to purchase and send new fans from the stores stock.

Where is FEMA with all the AC trailers; grants and debit cards?

Oh right Jopin is not an ethnic dominated area and therefore not national press worthy.

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Sorry, but your arguments are specious, and irrelevant, anyway.

Wildfires happen in nature, too...perfectly natural and don't need any help from humans...BUT:

Mismanagement of timber resources and scrublands, as well as idiot campers led to the wildfires that nearly got to my house a few years ago.

Yes, global warming is a natural process, one vastly more complex than we understand. I started a thread (Welcome to the shooting gallery...) in the beginning of the year tracking the increase in fireballs. Eventually it occurred to me that the increase, which is significant, ~250% or so compared to 2005-2008, means that the upper and middle parts of the atmosphere were getting a massive thermal energy boost. At the same time, we idiot campers are excessively heating the bottom, exacerbating an already bad situation and making it worse faster. Incidentally, I'm convinced that the fireballs are one of the main drivers of the extreme weather we've been having lately.

Things do happen for a reason, and when we figure out what some of those reasons are, we should take steps to mitigate them. Extinctions are natural events, but that doesn't mean I want to be in one or am willing to let one happen to humanity. Feel free to go extinct yourself if you like, but if you want or try to do anything the speed the process up for the rest of us, expect me to do my damnedest to prevent it.

Originally posted by chiefsmom
This really scares me. With the cost of food right now, can you imagine it how bad it is going to be this winter? People are going to have to choose between heat and food.
I'm waiting for the guy raising my cow and pigs to let me know how much more feed is going to go up. I'm guessing it will still be cheaper right now doing it this way, than going to buy hamburger in the store.

Cute coon!

I am thinking that brown rice and beans may soon be the main meal in many homes. Things are going badly right now in many realms of society...and yes it is very scarey.

Originally posted by chiefsmom

I'm waiting for the guy raising my cow and pigs to let me know how much more feed is going to go up. I'm guessing it will still be cheaper right now doing it this way, than going to buy hamburger in the store.

I run a small - medium dairy operation and since January 2011 my feed bill has gone up $2.31 on the hundred weight for the custom mix I use.

Chicken scratch and poultry crumbles have gone up $3.00 since April!

I thankfully have my own hay but it too has gone up about $1.50 a bale for a small square (which is about 40%) over last year same time. Sad for those who are buying. Glad I am not one of them.

We got some cattle from Texas for cheap because they were starving and the guy needed to get rid of them for humanitarian reasons more than profit. He couldn’t afford to truck in water and hay any longer. Excellent price for me – bad times in Texas.

Profit margin is down - even with the increase in bulk milk prices I get.