Modern Poverty Includes A.C. and an Xbox

Not really, thats a fake arguement. They are not safe from your vote... Their position provides political insecurity
too... They help because they have my perspective and not yours? It is not that complicated,
you seem compelled to , again... demonize another thing you disapprove of. Welfare money, buys food, which
is required to survive, which does help.


You guys are the ones who want to control the approved appliances and diets... Did you notice that? You guys want to control the system more so... Do you want to grow, Or are you here to remain the same?

Nope again. Man, you are wrong on every assertion and assumption of me.

I don't want control of anything except myself. I don't want control over me as well. You are free to do with your money and possessions. Burn it, eat it, pray to it or piss on it. I don't care.
But when you have, don't look to others to re-fill your life.

Originally posted by Unit541


The feeling that I get from this thread, is that because I have AC and a couple of flat screens, that somehow that means I'm not poor. Following that logic, I should be able to liquidate these luxury items, and not be poor anymore. Lets see, I can probably get $400 for all my TV's. That Xbox will certainly bring at least $150 on Craigslist. Holy crap, now that I've got that extra $550 in my pocket, I can start arguing for more tax breaks for the wealthy, y'know... since I'm one of them now...

That is $550 extra you have, and $550 less then what the Govt should take from others to give to you.

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by macman

so many assumptions

.....

The premise of this thread is based upon so many assumptions.

your position has consitently taken on the role of assuming that recipients of assistance are
sitting in a pile of poop eating Cheetos. What you fail to understand is, most of us are here opposing
you because we assume that the people who are in good faith should not be slandered and ridiculed
because you make large sweeping assumptions of association. I have never recieved welfare, nor has my
family, but I do understand that life can dish out a car accident and cancer to the same family in the same week.
You name it and it can happen... so many assumptions indeed

No, I assume nothing in what they are doing at home.
My money, not yours.
If I want to help, I have a choice. MY choice. Not the huge machine that Govt has turned into.
The failure or misfortunes of others it not my concern. My failures or misfortune are none of yours either. Period.
Instead of worrying about what others are doing, have or don't have, why don't you focus on yourself.
I am tired of being told I have to take care of others and/or the Govt needs to as well.
Be responsible for yourself.

If this is how you feel, and if your avatar is correct that you were in the service, you must have been a lousy soldier?

So you are for the every man for himself form of existence? If you answer this as yes then everyone can conclude you're exempted from this conversation because you want mad-max style anarchy.

Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by macman

so many assumptions

.....

The premise of this thread is based upon so many assumptions.

your position has consitently taken on the role of assuming that recipients of assistance are
sitting in a pile of poop eating Cheetos. What you fail to understand is, most of us are here opposing
you because we assume that the people who are in good faith should not be slandered and ridiculed
because you make large sweeping assumptions of association. I have never recieved welfare, nor has my
family, but I do understand that life can dish out a car accident and cancer to the same family in the same week.
You name it and it can happen... so many assumptions indeed

No, I assume nothing in what they are doing at home.
My money, not yours.
If I want to help, I have a choice. MY choice. Not the huge machine that Govt has turned into.
The failure or misfortunes of others it not my concern. My failures or misfortune are none of yours either. Period.
Instead of worrying about what others are doing, have or don't have, why don't you focus on yourself.
I am tired of being told I have to take care of others and/or the Govt needs to as well.
Be responsible for yourself.

If this is how you feel, and if your avatar is correct that you were in the service, you must have been a lousy soldier?

So you are for the every man for himself form of existence? If you answer this as yes then everyone can conclude you're exempted from this conversation because you want mad-max style anarchy.

Yep, that is what I want. How did you guess?
Oh yeah. here you go.
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/af7538fa027d.jpg[/atsimg]

As for my service, I guess you will never know.
But, thanks for trying that analogy.
One, the service is voluntary.
Two, money taken from my paycheck is not.

But, thanks for playing.

reply to post by macman


Macman, you plan on repaying me for what the military has given you?

That training was really expensive, and I resent you freeloading off the public for your healthcare, too.

Let's see: free training, free healthcare, free food, free housing...that's a LOT of mooching and freeloading if you ask me.

Originally posted by macman

Again, blah blah blah.

Take care of yourself, I will take care of me, and then there is no need for you to take care of me. Easy.

The 'cost' is not to be shared, but owned by the individual.

Again, more worried about your neighbors yard, while yours goes to hell.

So why are you here???

You didn't even read my post or you would not have come back with this response.

Maybe you should find a pirate and sit upon his shoulder.

I am not talking about you or me, got it???

If all the yards in your neighborhood go to hell, your entire property will be worth less, considerably,
you will pay for it. Throw in some hobos, hookers tents, human poop, trash, drugs, crime and incarceration...
you get taxed on top of your taxes.

You know how much one prisioner costs? Did you know they get food and shelter too, for doing bad?

Who pays for that?

Originally posted by apacheman
reply to post by macman

 

Macman, you plan on repaying me for what the military has given you?

That training was really expensive, and I resent you freeloading off the public for your healthcare, too.

Let's see: free training, free healthcare, free food, free housing...that's a LOT of mooching and freeloading if you ask me.

It really is...

I want my money back too

I can defend myself...

Stop worrying about shooting the bad guys... I can shoot them myself!

reply to post by macman


Sorry, did I make you take a look in the mirror? I merely asked for clarification on what you were implying.

Originally posted by apacheman
reply to post by haarvik

 

You seem to miss my point: anyone who benefits from the financial industry in any way does so at taxpayer expense. You have bank stocks in your portfolio? The reason they do well is that they get taxpayer money loaned to them at near zero interest rates, and they charge 30% or more on most of their credit.

Your mortgage rate is taxpayer supported.

What I'm trying to get through to you is that if you are at all well-to-do, you probably receive more government benefits in direct and indirect ways than you pay in in taxes. The richer you are, the more likely that is true.

An employer gets more benefit from the road sytem than an unemployed person gets by far.

A rich or well-to-do person gets more benefit from the Coast Guard, National Parks system, and the SBA than a poor person does.

If you support such wastes as the TSA, DHS, the wars on words and the world's largest prison poplulation you shouldn't complain about welfare, because ultimately those agencies, wars and prisons are just feel-good things that serve no real useful purpose other than to make a few folks feel, but not be safer.

Don't begrudge others receiving a fraction of what you take every day.

I think the Christians have a saying about removing the lumber from your eye before worrying about the mote in someone else's, or something like that. It applies here.

Thankyou apacheman for telling it like it is.
As i have read many replies to this post and i see that most don't realize that the nanny state does way more for the affluent then the mere crumbs that make their way to the poor but because they don't see those statistics which are conveniently destroyed in terror attacks or funneled through TARP or some material cost like spending a million dollars for items we can buy in a dollar store! It's truely a shame that so many people refuse to see what's really happening but eventually they will be the next ones that need help, for whatever reason, though none will be there for them, just a deep hole to hide the truth once again along with their selfish and arrogant body!
IMO We should all be Equal in every way with no one above any other. Everyone living at the same standards, Everyone having a productive job and eliminating all non productive jobs, monetary systems and ownership!
This would eliminate envy, theft, addiction, Unsustainability, most pollution as well dozens of other harmful things! It's just a shame that there are so many selfish people in the world who would'nt accept this way of life and would rather burn through our resources until the day comes when they no longer have the ability to feed themselves and their families!

Originally posted by apacheman
reply to post by macman

 

Macman, you plan on repaying me for what the military has given you?

That training was really expensive, and I resent you freeloading off the public for your healthcare, too.

Let's see: free training, free healthcare, free food, free housing...that's a LOT of mooching and freeloading if you ask me.

Indeed!

If he was in the military I don't see HOW he can have the views he have. We (yes macman) were a total team in the military. The success of your team depended upon teamwork. There aren't any one-man teams in the military, unless you're a bravo-foxtrot (buddy fugger).

This guy has experienced socialism at its finest!

Originally posted by apacheman
reply to post by macman

 

Macman, you plan on repaying me for what the military has given you?

That training was really expensive, and I resent you freeloading off the public for your healthcare, too.

Let's see: free training, free healthcare, free food, free housing...that's a LOT of mooching and freeloading if you ask me.

Repay for what?
All members in the service actually do work. Nothing was free as you make a 4-6 year initial commitment.
But, at least you show your true colors and your hatred for the Military shines through.

Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by macman

Again, blah blah blah.

Take care of yourself, I will take care of me, and then there is no need for you to take care of me. Easy.

The 'cost' is not to be shared, but owned by the individual.

Again, more worried about your neighbors yard, while yours goes to hell.

So why are you here???

You didn't even read my post or you would not have come back with this response.

Maybe you should find a pirate and sit upon his shoulder.

I am not talking about you or me, got it???

If all the yards in your neighborhood go to hell, your entire property will be worth less, considerably,
you will pay for it. Throw in some hobos, hookers tents, human poop, trash, drugs, crime and incarceration...
you get taxed on top of your taxes.

You know how much one prisioner costs? Did you know they get food and shelter too, for doing bad?

Who pays for that?

You make everything very intricate and detailed, so others may not be able to respond. It is a way of controlling the argument.
If the neighborhood goes to hell, I can move.
Now you throw in prison costs.
Can you stay on one topic, or is engrained to try to overwhelm those that you argue with?

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by apacheman
reply to post by macman

 

Macman, you plan on repaying me for what the military has given you?

That training was really expensive, and I resent you freeloading off the public for your healthcare, too.

Let's see: free training, free healthcare, free food, free housing...that's a LOT of mooching and freeloading if you ask me.

Repay for what?
All members in the service actually do work. Nothing was free as you make a 4-6 year initial commitment.
But, at least you show your true colors and your hatred for the Military shines through.

But I had to pay money to you, for something I did not want.

If you wanna go anfd shoot people do it, but don't steal my money to pay for it.

My family can defend itself just fine, I will defend it, you have perpetuated socialism more than I ever have.

I never took a dime of your money to put into my pocket

Originally posted by DZAG Wright
reply to post by macman

 

Sorry, did I make you take a look in the mirror? I merely asked for clarification on what you were implying.

Please refer back to my reply.
Being coy and cute only applies to kids and puppy dogs.

Limited Govt. Govt stop intruding and allow people to keep what they earn and provide for themselves.

The basic function of Govt is stated in the Original Documents. Maybe reading them sometime would work.

Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Originally posted by apacheman
reply to post by macman

 

Macman, you plan on repaying me for what the military has given you?

That training was really expensive, and I resent you freeloading off the public for your healthcare, too.

Let's see: free training, free healthcare, free food, free housing...that's a LOT of mooching and freeloading if you ask me.

Indeed!

If he was in the military I don't see HOW he can have the views he have. We (yes macman) were a total team in the military. The success of your team depended upon teamwork. There aren't any one-man teams in the military, unless you're a bravo-foxtrot (buddy fugger).

This guy has experienced socialism at its finest!

But, not being in the Military now still constitutes me responsible for you how??
And if you are a vet, you should be ashamed of yourself. Twisting and contorting the idea that military members take care of each other into some idea that I am financial responsible for you and your actions is very low.

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by macman

Again, blah blah blah.

Take care of yourself, I will take care of me, and then there is no need for you to take care of me. Easy.

The 'cost' is not to be shared, but owned by the individual.

Again, more worried about your neighbors yard, while yours goes to hell.

So why are you here???

You didn't even read my post or you would not have come back with this response.

Maybe you should find a pirate and sit upon his shoulder.

I am not talking about you or me, got it???

If all the yards in your neighborhood go to hell, your entire property will be worth less, considerably,
you will pay for it. Throw in some hobos, hookers tents, human poop, trash, drugs, crime and incarceration...
you get taxed on top of your taxes.

You know how much one prisioner costs? Did you know they get food and shelter too, for doing bad?

Who pays for that?

You make everything very intricate and detailed, so others may not be able to respond. It is a way of controlling the argument.
If the neighborhood goes to hell, I can move.
Now you throw in prison costs.
Can you stay on one topic, or is engrained to try to overwhelm those that you argue with?

No, I am making the argument you are going to make about the military in reverse...

You are going to justify military, even though I have to pay for it, because the costs for not addressing defense are too high. I am telling you a nation which allows shanty towns pays for it, just like a nation with weak defense.

Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by apacheman
reply to post by macman

 

Macman, you plan on repaying me for what the military has given you?

That training was really expensive, and I resent you freeloading off the public for your healthcare, too.

Let's see: free training, free healthcare, free food, free housing...that's a LOT of mooching and freeloading if you ask me.

Repay for what?
All members in the service actually do work. Nothing was free as you make a 4-6 year initial commitment.
But, at least you show your true colors and your hatred for the Military shines through.

But I had to pay money to you, for something I did not want.

If you wanna go anfd shoot people do it, but don't steal my money to pay for it.

My family can defend itself just fine, I will defend it, you have perpetuated socialism more than I ever have.

I never took a dime of your money to put into my pocket

I paid taxes as well.
Who said I shoot people?
Who said I am involved in the current or recent conflict?
It has got to be embarrassing when all your assumptions are just wrong.

reply to post by Janky Red


Your crystal ball has been wrong thus far. Why are you relying on it still?

reply to post by macman


isnt it amazing how things get twisted with time like the modern entitlement system

the grand idea was to help those less fortunate and it has now become paying for them cradle to grave

homes,schools,cloths,food,healthcare and the list goes on.

with a country of 310 million americans living here not counting illegals we have over 100 million people or more(its obviously higher just used a conservative number)

and those getting government subsidies like those 50 million americans living off welfare and who have never had a job in their lives oh wait they get social security without ever having worked a day in their lives.

:p

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by macman

 

isnt it amazing how things get twisted with time like the modern entitlement system

the grand idea was to help those less fortunate and it has now become paying for them cradle to grave

homes,schools,cloths,food,healthcare and the list goes on.

Neo , go and play with Charles Manson... we are talking here