Modern Poverty Includes A.C. and an Xbox

Originally posted by haarvik
For me, and I'm sure others here as well, we know where we came from. Poor families and we managed to better ourselves through hard work and determination. This would put a huge dent in drug abuse. And by the same token, abuse of prescription drugs should be included and mandatory jail time for any physician caught dispensing it!that was intended to be a temporary solution to allow them to once again regain their lives.

I liken it to the murderer who blames his crime on being abused as a child. Nonsense! I was abused, yet I did not murder anyone. It's a scapegoat and an excuse. Unfortunately in this day and age everything has a label and our wonderful mind doctors just love to put the blame on someones environment so there is no admission of guilt. It's time for Americans to take responsibility for themselves and quit blaming everyone else for their misfortunes in life! Sure, there are always going to be cases where people really do attract bad luck, it's not the norm though.

And for those homeless who either took drugs and/or alcohol and found themselves without anything, that's their fault. No one held a gun to their head and forced them to do those things. Sorry, but it's YOUR fault and no one else! Yes society looks down on them as they should. The did it to themselves, no one else did. You live by the sword, you die by the sword!

There's the problem (the underlined) that you have to look within YOURSELF and solve. WHY are you worried about if someone else is getting over (if they are)? What type of sickness is this that infects so many people? Myself, I mind my business and if anything, I congratulate someone who is getting over. It doesn't affect me in the least bit, it doesn't ruffle my feathers, and it doesn't make me envy them.

As I've said, I work in the welfare and employment business....I have yet to meet ONE customer that I envy! What type of sickness you have that causes you to envy these people?

P.S. And yes, before you yell it isn't envy, what else could it be? Are you just nosy...constantly in others business? Do you feel the need to measure yourself against others, thus you want to see everyone go through what you had too?

reply to post by DZAG Wright


Wow you really need to get back to reality. It has nothing to do with nosy or envy. It has to do with people who abuse drugs (welfare or otherwise) that not only put a burden on the system, but have the potential to cause personal injury or even death to others. Sure, I could be like you and just look the other way. But then when someone high on heroine kills a child and I knew about it then it would make me an accessory to that murder.

This is a very interesting thread and I have to say i envy you guys.
Leaving the propaganda aside I can tell you first hand how life is in our country.
The average salary in Romania is 670 RON 2,98RON=1 USD
If you do the math an average person makes 224 USD/month.
So as some other users have pointed you should be happy for what you have because there are other country's that have it worse.
If anyone is curious i can give more details about how life is here minus the negative propaganda and lies.
I apologize if this is off topic but it is related to poverty and can offer a comparison to people living in the USA.

reply to post by haarvik


How often does (someone on Heroin killing a little kid) that happen, compared to say, rushed-to-market pharmaceuticals killing patients with side-effects?

If you said "hardly ever" versus roughly 38K per year in the USA alone, you win a prize.

You are not a conservative. You are not a boot-strapper. You are a statist, and you have swallowed the propaganda, hook, line and sinker.

Originally posted by haarvik
reply to post by DZAG Wright

 

Wow, you know me SOOO well...NOT! As long as they are illegal, then yes I agree to the testing. If they were ever legalized, do what you want but don't ask me or the government to fix your f***ed up life when you do. So you don't care if someone downs a fifth of Jack and then drives all over the city? Because that is what you are saying. getting stoned is no different.

So are you a Liberal...

You will claim you are awake on this site but what you type shows you're as sleep as any sheeple. "As long as they are illegal..." that's a big cop-out! Are you a conformist? If law makers made surfing the internet illegal would you just shuck along? If the answer is yes, you are the opposite of most at this site.

If you were awake as most at this site claim, your opinion would be closer to: Drugs shouldn't be illegal to begin with...

Yes, I don't care if someone is filthy drunk and decides to drive all over town. As most Conservatives state, you can't legislate morality. You can't make everyone suffer for what 1 or 2 "might" do. So yeah, a person can drive drunk all they want...long as they don't hurt anyone else. Now when they hurt someone else, infringe upon someone elses Rights, yeah throw the book at them.

Anyone else reading, see how easy it is to oust the hypocracy of fake Conservatives/Liberals etc?

reply to post by 0zzymand0s


Wrong again. Real world example for ya. Last year in NC (just moved from there, thank god) a woman who was on public assistance AND addicted to crack sold her daughter (8 or 9 years old) into prostitution for crack. The little girl was murdered. So, had the state been doing mandatory drug testing maybe that little girl would still be alive. So now that there is a REAL child involved, tell me you want to look the other way. Tell me how it is wrong to require the testing. Tell that little girls grandparents how it was no ones business what she did.

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Reply to DZAG Wright

Just because you define what is/is not liberal/conservative doesn't mean sh*t to me. I have my beliefs and convictions. I don't side with one or the other. I side with what is right, legal and moral, in my mind. And yes, if the Internet was illegal I would give it up. I lived before I had it just fine.

reply to post by haarvik


Try the Fourth, Fifth, and Ninth Amendments to the Constitution of the US:

IV. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

V. No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

IX. The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

caselaw.lp.findlaw.com...

Show me where it states anyone has a right to demand a drug test of others?

I fought for and risked my life to protect the freedoms enumerated in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

You are wrong, and ignorant of the Constitutional rules of the game.

I can find tons of free tv's online on craigslist, also I have found computers, etc even cell phones they may be older models and if they're metropcs that is all the better (unlimitied everything at MetroPCS=40 bucks a month). Also lots of furniture given away free on CL. But just to prove a point:
Free TV's CL

Originally posted by haarvik
reply to post by DZAG Wright

 

Wow you really need to get back to reality. It has nothing to do with nosy or envy. It has to do with people who abuse drugs (welfare or otherwise) that not only put a burden on the system, but have the potential to cause personal injury or even death to others. Sure, I could be like you and just look the other way. But then when someone high on heroine kills a child and I knew about it then it would make me an accessory to that murder.

You've eaten the bait put out there by tptb and went back for seconds...

Do you know that drugs have been a part of humanity since our creation? They always will be. That should tell us that drugs are in our nature, it's silly to fight your nature. You accept and adapt to your nature.

The only reason people who use drugs place a burden on the system (what allegiance do you have to the system, it has none to you) is because legislature has made drug use illegal. They've done this to stock prisons and make as many people in society criminal as possible. NO ONE awake should agree with the war on drugs!

Bad things will sometime happen in a free society, you deal with them there. However you still allow people to be free. I'm sure there are plenty kids who are killed by people who are high off life! There are plenty kids killed period, always have been, always will be.

Originally posted by xSeraphim
This is a very interesting thread and I have to say i envy you guys.
Leaving the propaganda aside I can tell you first hand how life is in our country.
The average salary in Romania is 670 RON 2,98RON=1 USD
If you do the math an average person makes 224 USD/month.
So as some other users have pointed you should be happy for what you have because there are other country's that have it worse.

If anyone is curious i can give more details about how life is here minus the negative propaganda and lies.

I apologize if this is off topic but it is related to poverty and can offer a comparison to people living in the USA.

You aren't taking into account the cost of living though. And your numbers are actually wrong. The average income in Romania is just under 600 us dollars a month, not 224.

You can rent also in Romania for $200 a month outside of the big cities, quite easily. That's near on impossible to do in America, $50 a week rent is probably restricted to the dirtiest areas of Detroit. If that.

Of course poverty in Romania is worse but the gulf isn't anywhere near as big as you're implying. Look at the prices of food and it's cheaper than America. Universities in Romania cost only about $600 a YEAR. In America they cost ten times that!

Romania isn't great if you're poor, especially for young people looking for work - However, being poor in America isn't a walk in the park either. It's all relative.

Originally posted by xSeraphim
This is a very interesting thread and I have to say i envy you guys.
Leaving the propaganda aside I can tell you first hand how life is in our country.
The average salary in Romania is 670 RON 2,98RON=1 USD
If you do the math an average person makes 224 USD/month.
So as some other users have pointed you should be happy for what you have because there are other country's that have it worse.

If anyone is curious i can give more details about how life is here minus the negative propaganda and lies.

I apologize if this is off topic but it is related to poverty and can offer a comparison to people living in the USA.

Hello,

If the most I've ever made is $200 per month and lived off that my entire life, I can't miss making $5000 per month. If I've always lived in a mud hut and ate mud pies, I can't miss eating Burger King. See what I mean there?

Originally posted by haarvik
reply to post by 0zzymand0s

 

Wrong again. Real world example for ya. Last year in NC (just moved from there, thank god) a woman who was on public assistance AND addicted to crack sold her daughter (8 or 9 years old) into prostitution for crack. The little girl was murdered. So, had the state been doing mandatory drug testing maybe that little girl would still be alive. So now that there is a REAL child involved, tell me you want to look the other way. Tell me how it is wrong to require the testing. Tell that little girls grandparents how it was no ones business what she did.

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Reply to DZAG Wright

Just because you define what is/is not liberal/conservative doesn't mean sh*t to me. I have my beliefs and convictions. I don't side with one or the other. I side with what is right, legal and moral, in my mind. And yes, if the Internet was illegal I would give it up. I lived before I had it just fine.

edit on 20-7-2011 by haarvik because: (no reason given)

OR had America dropped it's stupid war on drugs, that little girl might be alive. You can spin it both ways. In countries like Portugal they treat and help drug addicts and rehabilitate them. If America followed that example rather than vilifying those on drugs and forcing them to the very bottom of society, you might have less problems with drugs.

Plenty of American children lose their families to obesity and heart problems. Should the State test people for fatty foods and criminalize those who eat crap?

reply to post by DZAG Wright


You are correct, they have been. And most, not all, are natural. But the whole point of all of this is it IS illegal at present. And as such anyone who asks for public assistance (from the government who made these laws) should be subject to testing. It is no different than being tested to get a job. In mans past when drugs were not illegal, there was no welfare so different times.

Reply to apacheman:

I too fought for the constitution. I do uphold the values contained therein. I also swore to defend it and the laws of this country. That didn't end because my tour of duty did. Now I may not like some of them and I may speak against them but I still abide by them. I don't agree with TSA groping, but I will abide by those rules or not fly.

reply to post by haarvik


I assume that you are for mandatory drug testing of all Executives, and voting board members for US Corporations that receive subsidies, bail-outs, tax breaks and other financial assistance from the taxpaying largess?

reply to post by NadaCambia


Actually they should be putting the food barons in prison. They should be prosecuting the head of the FDA and USDA for murder and complicity. They are the obesity problem, not people. Everyone knows processed foods cause obesity. Take them away and by default the population as a whole will be much healthier.

reply to post by 0zzymand0s


Yes I am. Infact, ANY public servant (yeah, right) or corporate executive and ALL employees of same IF they participate in public funding of any sort, including defense contracts should be tested. If one is going to be tested, then all should be.

Originally posted by haarvik
reply to post by 0zzymand0s

 

Wrong again. Real world example for ya. Last year in NC (just moved from there, thank god) a woman who was on public assistance AND addicted to crack sold her daughter (8 or 9 years old) into prostitution for crack. The little girl was murdered. So, had the state been doing mandatory drug testing maybe that little girl would still be alive. So now that there is a REAL child involved, tell me you want to look the other way. Tell me how it is wrong to require the testing. Tell that little girls grandparents how it was no ones business what she did.

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Reply to DZAG Wright

Just because you define what is/is not liberal/conservative doesn't mean sh*t to me. I have my beliefs and convictions. I don't side with one or the other. I side with what is right, legal and moral, in my mind. And yes, if the Internet was illegal I would give it up. I lived before I had it just fine.

edit on 20-7-2011 by haarvik because: (no reason given)

Lemme help you out with this. Drug testing recepients is nothing new, we've done it before in Florida. Finally someone slapped the govenor on his head and called him a dummy for wasting all that money. If someone is using drugs, please believe they know how to get around tests, you learn that like fresh out of high school. There are even black markets for urine. So it's a waste of money trying to catch these people.

The little girl who was murdered, very sad story. A drug test would not have saved her however. Cocaine stays in your system what 24-48 hours, even when I was in the Army, drug abusers there knew to simply not use Coke for a few days before a test.

To save that little girl we needed a better society instead of people witch hunting to find someone doing something they don't agree with.

"If the internet was illegal I would give it up"...OK you are a conformist and a sheep. They don't make many of those anymore, but I do believe you are a little older? People from what I am told were much more conforming and obedient back then?

reply to post by NadaCambia


I agree they need to actually legalize drugs. Collect all the taxes they extort out of tobacco users out of those using drug (something like 2 dollars every pack of cigs here in the US is taxes) Problem solved...meaning we can pay our debt and the stupid idiotic war on drugs is done...if people want to kill themselves, why stop them? If they want to get well, some don't, then they should be able to, it should be provided. But it should be up to the individual. Not all addicts are non functional, some function fine and work (look at the CEO's who are nose candy addicts) they pull in billions in earnings a year. So I totally think legalizing drugs would make it much more free society.

reply to post by DZAG Wright


No, not a sheep. Just value my freedom. Just because you wish to put yourself and your family at risk to do something illegal you feel is wrongfully so, doesn't mean I am. There is a REAL difference between complacency and conformity. Being complacent means as long as it doesn't affect you, you don't care. Being a conformist means you do what is required to keep from losing what you have.

reply to post by NadaCambia


Well I told you I was giving you ammunition.

In reality though, I know several single mothers, and they all have to use daycare. If they have 1 child, daycare can be anywhere from $250 to $600 per month depending on age and type of daycare. Not everyone has a family member in town, and next door neighbors cost money these days, they aren't doing it for free.

If someone has 2 kids, then the price is between $500 to $1200 for the daycare, and the nanny option actually saves them money, plus it provides some other helpful stuff around the house. That was my whole point.

Of course FREE is always the best option if someone has that available. Grandma or Auntie or whoever. That would be the way to go, but unfortunately that wasn't an option for us, and it isn't an option for many other folks either.

I was just trying to broaden some horizons. Many people don't realize that there are other options that appear out of reach, but in reality they might actually be a cost saver.