EXCLUSIVE: FBI Raids Homes of Suspected Anonymous Hackers

reply to post by TiggersTheMan


not all societies are the same. I love americans but wouldnt want to live there. It has a huge corporate/lobbying issue its nowhere near as bad in the EU. You just need to look at they way the EU deals with health care & GM foods compared to America to see the diffirence.

Most EU countries have diffirent electoral systems than the USA. So when you say society or government you need to be clearer which one your talking about.

reply to post by Section31


Anyone could have told you Anon was almost entirely that age range. These are the kids that grew up with the internet.

Also why it's naive of people to think it's ran by the CIA or 40-50 year olds like someone mentioned being the brains behind things.

Part of the problem is that the original Anon people have been diluted by rather stupid teenagers who pretty much join it to look cool. Similar to how the Tea Party has evolved.

Originally posted by diamonddave
It's ok for every three people they take down ten more come on-board. you can stop one person but you can't stop a idea. the movement is world wide

Look up: paradigm shift.

Even though you cannot stop one way of thinking, you can replace it with another way of thinking.

Humanity goes through paradigm shifts constantly. While Anonlescence (Anonymous), Governments, Religious Sects, Unions, and Corporations try to control and maintain one paradigm, several thousand other paradigms will move in to take their place.

You see, no one individual or group can control the message.

What this entire group is missing is - nothing ever-ever-ever stays the same. Change is a constant evolutionary cycle, which cannot be stopped, controlled, nor branded.

*whisper*

Its the loophole hidden within the grand design.

*normal tone*

Pop-culture movements such as this one will not last. Look at the Tea Party Movement. Where is the Tea Party Movement? It didn't last that very long. Yes, they will have some type of impact, but their main message will never stay the same. It evolves.

*whisper*

I know another secret. Do you want to hear it?

I do not see the world through a doom and gloom mentality. Unlike everyone else around the world, I do not buy into 'the end of civilization' philosophy.

I have faith in humanity. Even though our species will tick me off at times, I will never lose faith in mankind's ability to 'get the wrong things right'. Everyone deserves redemption.

*normal tone*

Global warming, economic slumps, world order shifts, religious dooms days, and wars always lead to good things. Regardless about their negative short term impact, humanity has a way to turn everything into a positive.

Groups like Anonlescence (Anonymous) cannot stop the future.

Next paradigm shift has already begun.

Some people will just never get it.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the percentage of so-called "younguns" involved in this movement.

After all it is THEM who will inherit this country, and still be dealing with it when we're all dead.


So those who oppose, please sit down - continue filling your head with video games and mainstream nonsense in an effort to hide from the fact that you're completely jaded to the crimes being committed against you by the people you claim to trust. Feel free to continue worshipping your almighty dollar, at least for now, while it still pretends to have value.

I for one am proud of the up and coming today.

Change is inevitable. Get used to it.

Hippie fashions and values had a major effect on culture, influencing popular music, television, film, literature, and the arts. Since the widespread movement in the 1960s, many aspects of hippie culture have been assimilated by mainstream society. The religious and cultural diversity espoused by the hippies has gained widespread acceptance, and Eastern philosophy and spiritual concepts have reached a wide audience. The hippie legacy can be observed in contemporary culture in myriad forms — from health food, to music festivals, to contemporary sexual mores, and even to the cyberspace revolution

People can be different, and make a difference.

reply to post by Forevever

You missed my entire post.

Good for you.

reply to post by Section31


LOL get off your pedestal - that was a response to the last 20 pages
NOT JUST YOU

Originally posted by yeti101
reply to post by TiggersTheMan

Most EU countries have diffirent electoral systems than the USA. So when you say society or government you need to be clearer which one your talking about.

The only time I mentioned government was in regards to the phrase "collateral damage", I'm pretty sure that's in worldwide use. The only time I mentioned society, was in a quote I ended my post with, and again, can be applied universally.

reply to post by TiggersTheMan


yeah ok but i wish the anon supporters would be clearer on what they're on about. I still dont know what their purpose is and what they're trying to achieve. OK the paypal/mastercard is a protest action because of wikileaks. Other stuff like "interent freedom" "being oppressed" & "corruption" are really vague statements. I dont see many people in the west being oppressed? they should take a look at north korea. Corruption goes on yes lets deal with it but who they talking about? name names or produce evidence. Very scarce on details or how they intend to achieve their goals.

I want to know i might even join the "cause" if i knew what it was -_- We get some youtube vids and its like listening to the riddler. I wish they'd use plain english. They seem to lack focus or a coherent plan.

After going back over their advertising and propaganda, I do not think Anonlescence (Anonymous) is an actual political movement. They do have a 'cult' following, but only a very-very small handful of them do anything.

All the group's propaganda makes them seem bigger than what they really are.

I would consider them as an online cult, which depends upon the function of a few members. Without the small functional aspect of the group, the entire entity would no longer function.

As more members of the group's functional aspects get arrested, their significance will dwindle within a mater of days.

If the FBI can catch the main players (the hackers), the group will cease to have a foundation.

I bet this group will be finished within a short period of time.

If the FBI AND the CIA both of which had their websites hacked in the past cannot secure and prevent this from occurring then it is highly likely that these DDOS attacks by these rank amateurs are not the real Brains behind Anonymous but instead anonymous wannabes.

Of course, LEO will beat on these kids to find out what they know....but hence the term Anonymous !

Which in case you didn't know is the default login account on all Unix/Linux operating systems....

All the FBI captured were young men who simply participated in DDOS attacks. The leaders of Anonymous are not 20 year olds looking to make noise. My own suspicions is that the leaders of Anonymous are men in their 50s/60s, hackers who have been around since the beginning, probably since Arpanet.

Have any of you watched videos of Anonymous messages? The words, the truthfulness, the poetry, the eloquence... they are beautiful.

Here is an example:

www.youtube.com...

These are men who are enlightened, socially aware, and driven by purpose... they are not teens or 20-somethings.

reply to post by nh_ee

Here is the thing...

If the group was so anonymous, like their name suggests, they would not have gotten caught.

20+ of there members are sitting in jail, or they are out on bail at this very moment.

I do not call that a success in reaching anonymity.

reply to post by yeti101


I dunno, seemed to me, from what I had read, that there is an attitude amongst some of the elite hackers, that the if someone's security was not sufficient enough or that if one of their own didn't hide their tracks well enough it was his/her/said company's own fault.

Years ago, I had some friends that taught me about phone phreaking (using telephone systems to make free phone calls and to sometimes get money from payphones). I don't think that the things that I learned still work (difference between analog and digital systems).

Out of those friends, 2 went on to work for the phone company, 3 went to work in the computer related security industry and one had a choice (due to something that he pulled and got caught at) of either prison or a gov't job where he would use his talents and be monitored by said gov't employer.