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Long-lost father and daughter reunited through the internet face jail after admitting having sex

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posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 01:25 PM
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Long-lost father and daughter reunited through the internet face jail after admitting having sex 'as boyfriend and girlfriend'


www.dailymail.co.u k

Yates, from Castle Vale, Birmingham, and Butler, from Yardley, Birmingham, both admitted having sex with an adult relative after appearing at Birmingham Crown Court earlier this month....
Her family's worst nightmare returned when Yates announced she had a 'new boyfriend' but was reluctant to introduce him to her family.

Insiders say the then 23-year-old tried to keep her new man's identity under wraps...
(visit the link for the full news article)


edit on 18-7-2011 by Partygirl because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 01:25 PM
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Of course, this story carries revulsion on a visceral and moral level to me and (preseumably) to you too. But the reason I post it is not for cheap shock value, or to wallow in another of the endless perversions with often tragic consequences.

The reason I find this article of specific interest is that this is presented as a case of "Genetic Sexual Attraction" (GSA). GSA is described in the article in a side-bar as follows (see link above for source):



WHAT IS GSA?
Genetic Sexual Attraction (GSA) is a term that describes the phenomenon of sexual attraction between close relatives, such as siblings, first and second cousins or a parent and offspring who first meet as adults.

It is not the same as incest, though this is what it is called if a sexual relationship is then entered into.

The term GSA was coined 30 years ago by American Barbara Gonyo. She wrote a book about the lust she felt for the adult son she had given up for adoption 26 years earlier. She never acted on her feelings.

GSA is rare between people raised together in early childhood due to a reverse sexual imprinting known as the Westermarck effect, which desensitizes them sexual attraction. Experts believe that this effect evolved to prevent inbreeding.


It seems that this condition might occur between closely related people who have been raised apart without growing up together, like this father and daughter.

Possible topics for discussion:

-Is a case like this different from more common forms of incest? Should it be treated differently in any way?

-Is it appropriate to "medicalize" a case like this with a term like "GSA"? Is this a legitimate medical condition? If so, would that change the way it is handled?

-With the recent focus on gay marriage, non-traditional unions are getting new focus. These two appear to have been "consenting adults." Should society have simply left them alone? What are the boundries of what society considers acceptable unions? How can these boundries be understood, defined, and policed?


-Anything else, of course.

www.dailymail.co.u k
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 01:28 PM
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Yep, textbook GSA.



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 01:29 PM
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I believe this is left over from the days when there was not much of a choice really oh and those royal families who wanted to keep it in the family so nobody else could rise to power (at least not without bloodshed).



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 01:31 PM
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She probably watched Jerry Springer or Maurey Povich waaaaaay too many times



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 01:34 PM
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Yes I've heard of similar things before, like mother and son, brother and sister meeting for the first time etc. And feeling a connection that is not what they would have felt had they lived together. (GSA)

Humans are quite interesting.
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posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 01:35 PM
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So this GSA...only affects people from the midwest or south? Or is it just states that start with A?



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 01:36 PM
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I have to be completely honest here - I don't see why anything taking place between two consenting adults is illegal. (given they have the mental capability of giving consent) While I would never take part in such activities, these two weren't harming anyone else.

If you believe in the Bible, these activities helped populate the earth.

On another note, I wonder if this thread will get closed like the, "So what if I want to have sex with my sister... or a turtle." thread did...



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by ldyserenity
I believe this is left over from the days when there was not much of a choice really oh and those royal families who wanted to keep it in the family so nobody else could rise to power (at least not without bloodshed).


Well, according to Wikipedia:


Several factors may contribute to GSA. People commonly rank faces similar to their own as more attractive, trustworthy, etc. than average.[4] Heredity produces substantial physical similarity between close relatives. However, Bereczkei (2004) attributes this in part to childhood imprinting on the opposite-sex parent. Shared interests and personality traits are commonly considered desirable in a mate. The heritability of these qualities is a matter of great debate; to whatever extent they are heritable, they will tend to cluster in close relatives. In cases of parent-child attraction, the parent may recognize traits of their sometime mate in the child. Such reunions typically produce complex emotions in all involved.

edit on 18-7-2011 by Partygirl because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by ldyserenity
I believe this is left over from the days when there was not much of a choice really oh and those royal families who wanted to keep it in the family so nobody else could rise to power (at least not without bloodshed).


As sick as it sounds, if the royal family can do it, why cant they? oh right...they aren't royalty, despite the fact that according to the "bible" adam and eve's children has had incest b4. Im not defending this, nor am I judging, to each their own, but I say when there is hipocrisy involved, Live and let live. They were both adults, they knew what they were getting into. and this thing is still practiced in the southern U.S anyways, it just doesn't appear on the news.

Now if it was an underaged...well that's an entire different story.



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 01:39 PM
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I would have to say that it is different from incest..

In this case, she never had a chance to come to know the man as her father.
So he's more than likely just another guy to her.


Also, as much as people won't like to hear this.. But why should the court handle this case? They had sex, none were harmed, it doesn't look like pregnancy resulted. As much it isn't something I approve of.. I don't see how this is a crime.. But rather it's an enforcement of religious morallity. Which I have had enough of in this country.



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 01:45 PM
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This is Birmingham in the UK, not the US.



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 01:45 PM
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I think it wouldnt be so bad...probably not at all...if they didnt know they were related. I mean, that is the only issue here. Its that they knew it...or found out they were related.

If they had just met, had relations, and moved on never knowing...it would have just been sex.



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 01:46 PM
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here's my response to GSA. TMI. I don't want to know what you do in bed with your old man, your grandpop or your grandmom. when it comes to someone having sex with family members I'm perfectly fine with secrecy. look, I'm all about live and let live but that is some weird ass chit. and for what it's worth I say pin the majority of blame on her dad. the elder (adult) should know right from wrong and lead by example. I repeat,........ weird, weird chit.



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 01:49 PM
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Does raise a lot of questions.

Imagine meeting someone so much like you it is uncanny...yet someone new.
That's all you know.

They will share subtle bone structure you always though was unique to you. You are going to think they are good looking if you like yourself even a little. You will be drawn to the parts of you in them not knowing this is why you are attracted. The adult in the situation should know better and must be responsible. Still I wonder...

Did the girls natural father give up his paternal rights. If he did not then he is still the father but if he did then technically at least and legally, he is not her father.

Did the girl have an adopted father who she thought of as a father figure?
If so it might be impossible for her to experience the Westermarck Effect twice.

reverse sexual imprinting known as the Westermarck effect



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by LooksLikeWeMadeIt
here's my response to GSA. TMI. I don't want to know what you do in bed with your old man, your grandpop or your grandmom. when it comes to someone having sex with family members I'm perfectly fine with secrecy. look, I'm all about live and let live but that is some weird ass chit. and for what it's worth I say pin the majority of blame on her dad. the elder (adult) should know right from wrong and lead by example. I repeat,........ weird, weird chit.



As much as I'm for people doing their own thing I don't think this should be legal. Sets up a bad precedent for fathers to take advantage of daughters who are naturally drawn to the man they think is their hero.

In this case I think a restraining order keeping the father away from the daughter should be issued and the girl brought to counseling since she is exhibiting signs of mental illness nymphomania along with poor judgement and no moral compass what ever. This is a cry for help. Her father is the guilty party and should know better unless he did not know this was his daughter...even then time apart should be enough.

Make this sort of thing illegal or else you will be hearing about it and disgusted every time it happens.

Keep it illegal and at least the guilty will hide and keep it to them-selves.

I am glad I have no children at times like these.
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posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 01:56 PM
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very......um interesting

suprised nobody has thrown a "who's your daddy" joke out there yet......
guess I just did



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 01:59 PM
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Well...there ya go. Does that mean that people from the midwest and states that start with A are british? It would explain a lot...



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 02:05 PM
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WHAT IS GSA?
Genetic Sexual Attraction (GSA) is a term that describes the phenomenon of sexual attraction between close relatives, such as siblings, first and second cousins or a parent and offspring who first meet as adults.


I think the "who first meet as adults" part must be very important for this to happen, because I can personally say that having known my brother, sister, parents, uncles, aunts, etc. my whole life that whenever I'm around them I count the seconds until I can get away from them again, LOL!



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 02:22 PM
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It's quite well known that an individual is typically attracted to traits that parents and siblings have, therefore, if two adults meet and exhibit familial traits its not hard to understand their attraction, its quite natural, however, I do not understand the mindset behind continued attraction when the other is proven to be a close relative. I'm not sure if I'm understanding the story here, did they have sex before or after they found out they were relatives. If before, there is no issue, if after, really still no issue but the mindset to interact in such a way I do not understand.



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