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Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
God does have the ability to insure His book is preserved exactly the way he wanted it to be, it's that simple.
Disagree and protest as much as you want, you either believe he has that ability or not, if you think he doesn't, then you are at the very least agnostic to the God of the bible. As how can you have faith in a God you don't even think can properly protect his instructions to us as to what he expects of us, and what we need to do to survive against his enemies.
Originally posted by GrinchNoMore
reply to post by Blue_Jay33
Well when they stop editing and creating new editions, (must be around 14,000 translations by now)....please tell us which one he wants us to read.
I can go to any church bookstore and find at least 10 at any time alone.
Originally posted by Ray1850
reply to post by edmc^2
The napkin religion is the only true religion. The napkin created the universe. In the afterlife you will be judged by the supreme napkin. I know this is the truth beacuse the supreme napkin gave me a book written on napkins made of napkins that says it is.
Originally posted by mileysubet
This must require a belief in the bible in the first place....
Originally posted by caladonea
Originally posted by mileysubet
This must require a belief in the bible in the first place....
The Bible is written by men....who say...that God told them to say...what they have said.
Originally posted by bogomil
Originally posted by Ray1850
reply to post by edmc^2
The napkin religion is the only true religion. The napkin created the universe. In the afterlife you will be judged by the supreme napkin. I know this is the truth beacuse the supreme napkin gave me a book written on napkins made of napkins that says it is.
I hope, that you and I at least can ignore each others ultimate claims (napkin vs noodle-master) in a polite silence. I really haven't got the time to start a religious war just now.
I suggest, that we are both infallible in different ways as a compromise.edit on 19-7-2011 by bogomil because: addition
Originally posted by bogomil
reply to post by edmc^2
You wrote:
["Remember the word of God said that God is Love and there's no badness in him - so it's impossible for him to do bad things. But since our understanding is limited we sometimes misunderstand his righteous acts and sometimes accused him of something he never did."]
Isn't a circle-argument a wonderful thing; ........ for ALL believers of ALL mythological speculations.
And isn't it wonderful also, that circle-arguments can be used again and again and again, effectively filtering criticism, as: "It's true, because it's true".
I'm presently converted to pastafarianism (on probation), and on a: "It's true, because it's true"-basis I will consequently CLAIM again and again and again, that the flying spaghetti monster is THE truth etc.
And ooooh....... how I can repeat it and preach about it.
Originally posted by Crutchley29
reply to post by edmc^2
Wow..you really just don't understand this do you.
Your are so blinded by your own fanaticism.
Originally posted by JiggyPotamus
If you want to have a certain religion, that is fine. However, you should not get on the forums and say that you have an infallible argument, and that the bible is the true word of God, because you have no proof. You use circular logic, which is a fallacy...which means you are wrong, you do not have proof. At the end of the day, all you have is your beliefs. You cannot prove to anyone that God exists or doesn't exist, so why are you trying by saying you have proof?
Originally posted by edmc^2
Originally posted by bogomil
Originally posted by Ray1850
reply to post by edmc^2
The napkin religion is the only true religion. The napkin created the universe. In the afterlife you will be judged by the supreme napkin. I know this is the truth beacuse the supreme napkin gave me a book written on napkins made of napkins that says it is.
I hope, that you and I at least can ignore each others ultimate claims (napkin vs noodle-master) in a polite silence. I really haven't got the time to start a religious war just now.
I suggest, that we are both infallible in different ways as a compromise.edit on 19-7-2011 by bogomil because: addition
NO ONE is perfect and everyone on earth is infallibel and prone to make mistakes thus the Word of God is the ONLY authority when it comes to salvation, faith and truth. That I totally aggree. And since there's no other book that is proven to be the Word of God - thus I use the Bible as the final authority.
Originally posted by Osirison
reply to post by edmc^2
I have 3 simple questions.
1) If religion is such a positive force, and the Bible (Gods word) is the guiding force behind the Vatican, how come more people have died fighting over Religion than for any other reason? Don't you think it's strange that these people who follow the word of God, are the most successful mass murderers in the history of mankind?
--> If you're lumping ALL religion as the same them you're correct - but that's not the case. Just to give you one glaring example - the religion that Jesus started when he was on earth - was it a positive force or not?
2) What do you know about the Black Pope, Adolfo Nicholas? Do you know about the "Black" side of the Vatican? It's not a secret, nor a conspiracy theory.
--> Sorry, I don't really care about the Vatican or popes n such. They led many astray.
3) How come so many Catholic Priests sexually abuse young children? There is no other occupation on Earth that has been accused as many times as the Church in regards to sexual molestation.
--> Man is flawed in so many ways so following him will only lead to disappointment and even death. That's why Jesus said to follow him instead. As for those who commit such terrible acts, their time will come, both in the hands of man (civil authorities) and God himself.
If God's word was so pure and powerful, it's pretty odd that the people who represent him on Earth, The Church, have been accused of so many evil acts.
--> Here's what the word of God said: (KJV)
Mat 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers.
Mat 23:5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
Mat 23:6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
Mat 23:7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
Mat 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren.
Mat 23:9 And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Mat 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, [even] Christ.
Mat 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
Mat 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in [yourselves], neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
you can read the rest yourself how Jesus condemned people who pretend to represent God.====
I highly doubt I will get clear, concise responses to the questions I have posed.
Deeply religious people are extremely skilled in the art of deception and distraction.
--> Thus Jesus advice is:
Mat 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Mat 7:16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
Mat 7:17 So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit.
Mat 7:18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.
=== ASV