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“20 And God proceeded to speak all these words, saying:
2 “I am Jehovah your God, who have brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slaves.
3 You must not have any other gods against my face.
4 “You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or that is on the earth underneath or that is in the waters under the earth.
5 You must not bow down to them nor be induced to serve them, because I Jehovah your God am a God exacting exclusive devotion, bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation, in the case of those who hate me;
6 but exercising loving-kindness toward the thousandth generation in the case of those who love me and keep my commandments.
7 “You must not take up the name of Jehovah your God in a worthless way, for Jehovah will not leave the one unpunished who takes up his name in a worthless way.
8 “Remembering the sabbath day to hold it sacred,
9 you are to render service and you must do all your work six days.
10 But the seventh day is a sabbath to Jehovah your God. You must not do any work, you nor your son nor your daughter, your slave man nor your slave girl nor your domestic animal nor your alien resident who is inside your gates.
11 For in six days Jehovah made the heavens and the earth, the sea and everything that is in them, and he proceeded to rest on the seventh day. That is why Jehovah blessed the sabbath day and proceeded to make it sacred.
12 “Honor your father and your mother in order that your days may prove long upon the ground that Jehovah your God is giving you.
13 “You must not murder.
14 “You must not commit adultery.
15 “You must not steal.
16 “You must not testify falsely as a witness against your fellowman.
17 “You must not desire your fellowman’s house. You must not desire your fellowman’s wife, nor his slave man nor his slave girl nor his bull nor his ass nor anything that belongs to your fellowman.”” ....(Exodus 20:1-17)
“. . .Then Moses came and related to the people all the words of Jehovah and all the judicial decisions, and all the people answered with one voice and said: “All the words that Jehovah has spoken we are willing to do.” Accordingly Moses wrote down all the words of Jehovah. Then he got up early in the morning and built at the foot of the mountain an altar and twelve pillars corresponding with the twelve tribes of Israel. After that he sent young men of the sons of Israel and they offered up burnt offerings and sacrificed bulls as sacrifices, as communion sacrifices to Jehovah. Then Moses took half the blood and put it in bowls, and half the blood he sprinkled upon the altar. Finally he took the book of the covenant and read it in the ears of the people. Then they said: “All that Jehovah has spoken we are willing to do and be obedient.” So Moses took the blood and sprinkled it upon the people and said: “Here is the blood of the covenant that Jehovah has concluded with YOU as respects all these words.”” (Exodus 24:3-8)
“Any man that has disregarded the law of Moses dies without compassion, upon the testimony of two or three.” (Hebrews 10:28)
“‘But the soul that does something deliberately, whether he is a native or an alien resident, he speaking abusively of Jehovah, in that case that soul must be cut off from among his people.” (Numbers 15:30)
Originally posted by edmc^2
reply to post by Akragon
Did you noticed something about the list below?
What are they?
Witches
Homosexuals
Fortunetellers
Hitting Dad
Cursing Parents
Adultery
Fornication
They are UNHOLY ACTS.
Are these UNHOLY acts allowed in your life?
Nothing wrong with them in your POV?
In other words - if you're a family head and wanted to protect your children from such acts - will you allow them?
What would your children think if you say you hate such wicked acts yet allow them in your family circle?
But, if you really knew how these unholy acts were practiced back then - by nations not knowing the Creator of the heavens and the earth - you'll probably will feel sick to your stomach - then again maybe not seeing that you're OK with them.
But as reminder - lets review: Before coming into an agreement, God commanded the Israelites the following:
“20 And God proceeded to speak all these words, saying:
2 “I am Jehovah your God, who have brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slaves.
3 You must not have any other gods against my face.
4 “You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or that is on the earth underneath or that is in the waters under the earth.
5 You must not bow down to them nor be induced to serve them, because I Jehovah your God am a God exacting exclusive devotion, bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation, in the case of those who hate me;
6 but exercising loving-kindness toward the thousandth generation in the case of those who love me and keep my commandments.
7 “You must not take up the name of Jehovah your God in a worthless way, for Jehovah will not leave the one unpunished who takes up his name in a worthless way.
8 “Remembering the sabbath day to hold it sacred,
9 you are to render service and you must do all your work six days.
10 But the seventh day is a sabbath to Jehovah your God. You must not do any work, you nor your son nor your daughter, your slave man nor your slave girl nor your domestic animal nor your alien resident who is inside your gates.
11 For in six days Jehovah made the heavens and the earth, the sea and everything that is in them, and he proceeded to rest on the seventh day. That is why Jehovah blessed the sabbath day and proceeded to make it sacred.
12 “Honor your father and your mother in order that your days may prove long upon the ground that Jehovah your God is giving you.
13 “You must not murder.
14 “You must not commit adultery.
15 “You must not steal.
16 “You must not testify falsely as a witness against your fellowman.
17 “You must not desire your fellowman’s house. You must not desire your fellowman’s wife, nor his slave man nor his slave girl nor his bull nor his ass nor anything that belongs to your fellowman.”” ....(Exodus 20:1-17)
All in all there were about 600 laws that were given to the Israelites. After learning all of them here's what the nation of Israel promised God:
“. . .Then Moses came and related to the people all the words of Jehovah and all the judicial decisions, and all the people answered with one voice and said: “All the words that Jehovah has spoken we are willing to do.” Accordingly Moses wrote down all the words of Jehovah. Then he got up early in the morning and built at the foot of the mountain an altar and twelve pillars corresponding with the twelve tribes of Israel. After that he sent young men of the sons of Israel and they offered up burnt offerings and sacrificed bulls as sacrifices, as communion sacrifices to Jehovah. Then Moses took half the blood and put it in bowls, and half the blood he sprinkled upon the altar. Finally he took the book of the covenant and read it in the ears of the people. Then they said: “All that Jehovah has spoken we are willing to do and be obedient.” So Moses took the blood and sprinkled it upon the people and said: “Here is the blood of the covenant that Jehovah has concluded with YOU as respects all these words.”” (Exodus 24:3-8)
Penalty for disobedience?
“Any man that has disregarded the law of Moses dies without compassion, upon the testimony of two or three.” (Hebrews 10:28)
(notice - witnesses are needed before someone is accused of guilt)
Also:
“‘But the soul that does something deliberately, whether he is a native or an alien resident, he speaking abusively of Jehovah, in that case that soul must be cut off from among his people.” (Numbers 15:30)
(notice: if the act is deliberate, a willful disregard of the law - proven by witnesses then one is pronounced guilty - liable to the penalty of death)
But let's see if you really know the Bible as you portray yourself to be:
Simple question:
Why were the commandments GIVEN to the NATION of ISRAEL only and NOT any other nation on earth?
If you can answer this simple question then you WILL understand the "law of Moses".
(I'll pick up the rest of what you said later).
Originally posted by Akragon
Originally posted by edmc^2
reply to post by Akragon
Did you noticed something about the list below?
What are they?
Witches
Homosexuals
Fortunetellers
Hitting Dad
Cursing Parents
Adultery
Fornication
They are UNHOLY ACTS.
Are these UNHOLY acts allowed in your life?
Nothing wrong with them in your POV?
In other words - if you're a family head and wanted to protect your children from such acts - will you allow them?
What would your children think if you say you hate such wicked acts yet allow them in your family circle?
But, if you really knew how these unholy acts were practiced back then - by nations not knowing the Creator of the heavens and the earth - you'll probably will feel sick to your stomach - then again maybe not seeing that you're OK with them.
But as reminder - lets review: Before coming into an agreement, God commanded the Israelites the following:
“20 And God proceeded to speak all these words, saying:
2 “I am Jehovah your God, who have brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slaves.
3 You must not have any other gods against my face.
4 “You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or that is on the earth underneath or that is in the waters under the earth.
5 You must not bow down to them nor be induced to serve them, because I Jehovah your God am a God exacting exclusive devotion, bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation, in the case of those who hate me;
6 but exercising loving-kindness toward the thousandth generation in the case of those who love me and keep my commandments.
7 “You must not take up the name of Jehovah your God in a worthless way, for Jehovah will not leave the one unpunished who takes up his name in a worthless way.
8 “Remembering the sabbath day to hold it sacred,
9 you are to render service and you must do all your work six days.
10 But the seventh day is a sabbath to Jehovah your God. You must not do any work, you nor your son nor your daughter, your slave man nor your slave girl nor your domestic animal nor your alien resident who is inside your gates.
11 For in six days Jehovah made the heavens and the earth, the sea and everything that is in them, and he proceeded to rest on the seventh day. That is why Jehovah blessed the sabbath day and proceeded to make it sacred.
12 “Honor your father and your mother in order that your days may prove long upon the ground that Jehovah your God is giving you.
13 “You must not murder.
14 “You must not commit adultery.
15 “You must not steal.
16 “You must not testify falsely as a witness against your fellowman.
17 “You must not desire your fellowman’s house. You must not desire your fellowman’s wife, nor his slave man nor his slave girl nor his bull nor his ass nor anything that belongs to your fellowman.”” ....(Exodus 20:1-17)
All in all there were about 600 laws that were given to the Israelites. After learning all of them here's what the nation of Israel promised God:
“. . .Then Moses came and related to the people all the words of Jehovah and all the judicial decisions, and all the people answered with one voice and said: “All the words that Jehovah has spoken we are willing to do.” Accordingly Moses wrote down all the words of Jehovah. Then he got up early in the morning and built at the foot of the mountain an altar and twelve pillars corresponding with the twelve tribes of Israel. After that he sent young men of the sons of Israel and they offered up burnt offerings and sacrificed bulls as sacrifices, as communion sacrifices to Jehovah. Then Moses took half the blood and put it in bowls, and half the blood he sprinkled upon the altar. Finally he took the book of the covenant and read it in the ears of the people. Then they said: “All that Jehovah has spoken we are willing to do and be obedient.” So Moses took the blood and sprinkled it upon the people and said: “Here is the blood of the covenant that Jehovah has concluded with YOU as respects all these words.”” (Exodus 24:3-8)
Penalty for disobedience?
“Any man that has disregarded the law of Moses dies without compassion, upon the testimony of two or three.” (Hebrews 10:28)
(notice - witnesses are needed before someone is accused of guilt)
Also:
“‘But the soul that does something deliberately, whether he is a native or an alien resident, he speaking abusively of Jehovah, in that case that soul must be cut off from among his people.” (Numbers 15:30)
(notice: if the act is deliberate, a willful disregard of the law - proven by witnesses then one is pronounced guilty - liable to the penalty of death)
But let's see if you really know the Bible as you portray yourself to be:
Simple question:
Why were the commandments GIVEN to the NATION of ISRAEL only and NOT any other nation on earth?
If you can answer this simple question then you WILL understand the "law of Moses".
(I'll pick up the rest of what you said later).
Ya you're missing the point, unholy acts or not... these are instances where "God" commanded people to kill other people. This is not something God would do.
Homosexuality is natural, it occurs in nature in all species. God created them if you will, he has no reason to want to destroy them, let alone tell others to do so.
Witchcraft... isn't unholy. As a matter of fact wiccan's are much more "holy" then 90% of christians.
I don't need to review the 10 commandments, i understand them completely... clearly as you can see most do not, but they were changed to two main commandments. Both of which involve love...
And, who cares why the commandments we're given to whoever, it makes no difference in this day.
The fact is your book has many instances where "God" commands another to kill... which completely invalidates your innitial arguement.
The bible isn't Gods written word, its mans "inspired" word... mostly written for control of the masses...
edit on 30-7-2011 by Akragon because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Nosred
Science (from Latin: scientia meaning "knowledge") is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the world.
Imagination, also called the faculty of imagining, is the ability of forming mental images, sensations and concepts, in a moment when they are not perceived through sight, hearing or other senses. Imagination is the work of the mind that helps create.
Originally posted by Nosred
reply to post by RealTruthSeeker
Science (from Latin: scientia meaning "knowledge") is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the world.
en.wikipedia.org...
Imagination, also called the faculty of imagining, is the ability of forming mental images, sensations and concepts, in a moment when they are not perceived through sight, hearing or other senses. Imagination is the work of the mind that helps create.
en.wikipedia.org...
Yeah, there's a difference.
Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker
Keyword to the in first quote is "predictions" not facts. Science is nothing but guesses, every now and then they actually prove something. Unfortunately the only proof they been able to produce that is mind blowing is going to the moon. ]
American Standard Version --
And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground -- Gen 2:7.
“Man is literally made from the dust of the earth. . . . The staple foods may not contain the same nutritive substances as in former times. Mass production has modified the composition of wheat, eggs, milk, fruit, and butter, although these articles have retained their familiar appearance. Chemical fertilizers, by increasing the abundance of the crops without replacing all the exhausted elements in the soil, have indirectly contributed to changing the nutritive value of cereal grains and vegetables. Hens have been compelled, by artificial diet and mode of living, to enter the ranks of mass producers. Has not the quality of their eggs been modified?”—Man the Unknown.
What knowledge does the napkin give, or prophecy has the napkin fulfilled? Does the napkin hold truth that has never been corrected?
Originally posted by Griffo
edit on Mon Jul 18 2011 by DontTreadOnMe because: --Off Topic, One Liners and General Back Scratching Posts--
Originally posted by Dezero
What knowledge does the napkin give, or prophecy has the napkin fulfilled? Does the napkin hold truth that has never been corrected?
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Thanks. I might have sounded like I was being sarcastic or maybe to someone else reading my post.
Originally posted by wearewatchingyouman
. . . Akkadian and probably some akkadian canaano hybrid as far as that goes....