A Reasonable Conclusion to Explain Pre-Big Bang Conditions.

Well, made a video. Posted it on a different sub-forum. But for the sake of pointing it out, here it is;



The real leap is not so much what happends after a particle exists but the leap from nothing to something. In reality it is merely our mind that can't grasp that concept since we come from a place in which that is not possible anymore (the law 0 concept of the video).

Thou i must admit that creating nothing from something is undoubly the most difficult think to be performed by the universe, everthing after that is childsplay in comparison.

I'm actually almost done writing, I've got maybe another 5 chapters to go. I am not intending to screw you either, I humbly thank you for this 'thought' of yours, it was interesting, and to be quite honest, it made my day.

Originally posted by Davian
I'm actually almost done writing, I've got maybe another 5 chapters to go. I am not intending to screw you either, I humbly thank you for this 'thought' of yours, it was interesting, and to be quite honest, it made my day.

Well even if you did include it in your book, that would be cool. I'd appreciate it if you credited me for it though, you know as a courtesy, that way if I ever wrote a book which I intend to, it would be known as my original thought. Either way, even if you don't cite me, I'm just glad to raise awareness.

There was something formless and perfect
before the universe was born.
It is serene. Empty.
Solitary. Unchanging.
Infinite. Eternally present.
It is the mother of the universe.
For lack of a better name,
I call it the Tao.

It flows through all things,
inside and outside, and returns
to the origin of all things.

The Tao is great.
The universe is great.
Earth is great.
Man is great.
These are the four great powers.

Man follows the earth.
Earth follows the universe.
The universe follows the Tao.
The Tao follows only itself.


This chapter 25 of Tao Te Ching.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
There was something formless and perfect
before the universe was born.
It is serene. Empty.
Solitary. Unchanging.
Infinite. Eternally present.
It is the mother of the universe.

This chapter 25 of Tao Te Ching.

edit on 22-7-2011 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

Nothingness is the mother. Infinity is the father.

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
There was something formless and perfect
before the universe was born.
It is serene. Empty.
Solitary. Unchanging.
Infinite. Eternally present.
It is the mother of the universe.

This chapter 25 of Tao Te Ching.

edit on 22-7-2011 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

Nothingness is the mother. Infinity is the father.

Well, that really is not what his quote is telling us...

Originally posted by D1ss1dent

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
There was something formless and perfect
before the universe was born.
It is serene. Empty.
Solitary. Unchanging.
Infinite. Eternally present.
It is the mother of the universe.

This chapter 25 of Tao Te Ching.

edit on 22-7-2011 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

Nothingness is the mother. Infinity is the father.

Well, that really is not what his quote is telling us...

By my interpretation, it is saying that nothingness is the mother of the universe.

I went on to add that infinity is the father.

Originally posted by smithjustinb

By my interpretation, it is saying that nothingness is the mother of the universe.

I went on to add that infinity is the father.

If you take the time to analyze it, you will discover that it is not what his quote is telling us.

Please read again.

Originally posted by D1ss1dent

Originally posted by smithjustinb

By my interpretation, it is saying that nothingness is the mother of the universe.

I went on to add that infinity is the father.

If you take the time to analyze it, you will discover that it is not the case.

edit on 22-7-2011 by D1ss1dent because: (no reason given)

That's what I got out of it. I've read it several times, and its still what I'm getting out of it. Maybe you could point me in the right direction?

To me Tao means 'now'.
The Tao is eternally present.

The mother of all 'things'.

There is no duality in non duality.

Now is presence./
I am presence.

I am that.

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I'm not in the mood of giving English lessons.
You will have to realize it by yourself.

Originally posted by D1ss1dent
reply to post by smithjustinb

 

I'm not in the mood of giving English lessons.
You will have to realize it by yourself.

What do you mean realize? Something can be read without being realized. I know how to read, I guess I'm just not seeing it the way you are. I was hoping that you could share your perspective on what you thought it meant compared to what I think it means. But I guess you aren't in the mood for that either huh?

reply to post by smithjustinb

What I mean is that you will have to realize the true meaning of what's written by yourself. I don't need to add clarity to what is already crystal clear.

Originally posted by D1ss1dent
reply to post by smithjustinb

 

What I mean is that you will have to realize the true meaning of what's written by yourself. I don't need to add clarity to what is already crystal clear.

edit on 22-7-2011 by D1ss1dent because: (no reason given)

But how can I realize anything new when I believe I already know what its talking about?

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Believing we know is the mistake we make.
Infinity and nothing is your mind made conclusion. The grip on these two words has blinded you. There is a belief that this is the answer. Your mind will not let go of its assumptions.
An interpretation is an assumption. Assumptions are easy to believe because the mind has believed its own hype, yet it has not be fully inquied into.
The mind has to have a conclusion, but there is no conclusion.
This is this. It does not need to be separated into words like infinity + nothing.

You say that separation is an illusion and then separate it into nothing and infinity. I think this is where the confusion lies.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by smith justin

 

Believing we know is the mistake we make.
Infinity and nothing is your mind made conclusion. The grip on these two words has blinded you. There is a belief that this is the answer. Your mind will not let go of its assumptions.
An interpretation is an assumption. Assumptions are easy to believe because the mind has believed its own hype, yet it has not be fully inquied into.
The mind has to have a conclusion, but there is no conclusion.
This is this. It does not need to be separated into words like infinity + nothing.

You say that separation is an illusion and then separate it into nothing and infinity. I think this is where the confusion lies.

I agree with you about when you think you know something, you don't know, however, I refuse to let go of this set of assumptions. I think it has something to do with knowing keeps you from wisdom.

In regards to your second paragraph, from our perspective, nothing and infinity are two different concepts, so when I refer to infinity and nothing, I can only mention them as separate because I am subject to the illusion as well. However, I can imagine them as being unified, but I admit, it is hard to grasp.

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One Being, being everything.
All at the same time with no need for anything else.
No cause, no effect. Just this.
It is not enough for the mind, it leaves it with nothing to do.
It is not a puzzle.
Life.
The big bang banging.

You think you are separate, but you know this is the delusion don't you?

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by smithjustinb

 

One Being, being everything.
All at the same time with no need for anything else.
No cause, no effect. Just this.
It is not enough for the mind, it leaves it with nothing to do.
It is not a puzzle.
Life.
The big bang banging.

You think you are separate, but you know this is the delusion don't you?

edit on 24-7-2011 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

I know separation is an illusion. But it is always there.

reply to post by smithjustinb


It is never 'there'. It is always here.
The separation is believing there is anything but this now/here.
This now here is you.
Where ever you are the whole of reality is.
This is the oneness, non separation.

We see the world as a thing that is going on independant to us, that they are two separate 'things'.
But really the 'world' only appears where you are.
Nothing can happen without the presence (that's you).

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by smithjustinb

 

It is never 'there'. It is always here.
The separation is believing there is anything but this now/here.
This now here is you.
Where ever you are the whole of reality is.
This is the oneness, non separation.

We see the world as a thing that is going on independant to us, that they are two separate 'things'.
But really the 'world' only appears where you are.
Nothing can happen without the presence (that's you).

edit on 24-7-2011 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

There is no here or there.