What if Casey Anthony accepts Jesus as her savior?

Originally posted by AnIntellectualRedneck
Just one of the many reasons I ultimately rejected the Christian God.

Though my moment of clarity came when I realized the supposedly Hitler was a Catholic, which meant that he could be in Heaven while, according to my religion, the millions he subjected to unimaginable horror were burning in Hell.

Christian...he was a christian..he didn't like the catholics at all...and wanted to all but see the papal disassembled.

Otherwise, yes...he is in heaven...he was a very religious guy whom felt he was doing what god wanted him to do.

Originally posted by GrinchNoMore
reply to post by kinglizard

 

I am afraid you are wrong...what delusion and suffering this belief has put on men.

Sin does not exist, Jesus is a false name.

I find it most funny that people call out a name that is entirely false, and get strength from it.... goes to show how powerful the imagination is.

And the cage religions have put on finding a higher existence, STOPPED dead cold... by these ridiculous ideas...

We shall watch these old ways die a terrible death, it will be the most challenging time of all, watching the masses searching desperately for their god, and not finding it.. i feel many will be destroyed by the realization that all that they thought was true could not be farther from reality.

You know what I find funny? Me praying to a false name and you searching for a higher existence and here we are... both together on the same website.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by AnIntellectualRedneck
Just one of the many reasons I ultimately rejected the Christian God.

Though my moment of clarity came when I realized the supposedly Hitler was a Catholic, which meant that he could be in Heaven while, according to my religion, the millions he subjected to unimaginable horror were burning in Hell.

Christian...he was a christian..he didn't like the catholics at all...and wanted to all but see the papal disassembled.

Otherwise, yes...he is in heaven...he was a very religious guy whom felt he was doing what god wanted him to do.

Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Seems pretty clear to me. Have you checked your fruit lately???

reply to post by SaturnFX


Serial killers, yes and not so serial killers and not as a prison guard or a analyst but these were people I knew personally, out of choice because I knew they were bad, and wanted do some sort of intervention to mitigate the damage they were going to do.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Serial killers, yes and not so serial killers and not as a prison guard or a analyst but these were people I knew personally, out of choice because I knew they were bad, and wanted do some sort of intervention to mitigate the damage they were going to do.

Well, you don't know the damage they are going to do though...every single human has it in them to be a saint, or the worst sinner ever...every single person on earth is not immune nor imbued.

The people whom murdered I knew I knew socially and through blood..and as I said, they seemed pretty normal overall...people make mistakes..some much bigger than others.
Funny, one guy served some years in jail, the other got metals. One guy is seen as a scumbag, the other is seen as a war hero
now, here is the kicker, the person whom got years in the pokey got therapy and seen his issues..he is now a very level headed and thoughtful person...the one with the metals got pats on the back and told good job...he is still screwed up today (vietnam vet)...and the 3rd one has been in and out of prison since the event.

I do think that people who murder require a lot of therapy...and a therapist should decide the ultimate punishment...be it probation and facing the damage they created, or prison to protect society, etc...reasoning is key and something done through passion type emotions (fear, anger, etc) are far more forgivable and fixable than someone whom does it out of the more greed type aspects...

reply to post by SaturnFX
I already was making judgments talking about these people and its impossible for me not to.
I could see there were differences in them, where there would be one that was to me just evil and he knew I was trying to be a good person even if I was trying to be neutral appearing. Then another would see right through me instantly, see the missionary and laugh and say, well come on and let's see what you got. Then I could make a close examination, when the first wanted nothing to do with me, so I have severe limitations to my analysis, that's kind of my point.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Christian...he was a christian..he didn't like the catholics at all...and wanted to all but see the papal disassembled.

Otherwise, yes...he is in heaven...he was a very religious guy whom felt he was doing what god wanted him to do.

Ah yes, this is a favorite technique of what I call "radical atheists" (those who are more interested in slandering Christians then actually bothering to check the facts of what they're posting)- trying to discredit Christianity by tying Hitler to it. But it is completely bogus. Hitler was not a Christian and did not even claim to be a Christian. Here are two of his quotes regarding Christianity:

"Christianity is an invention of sick brains," (13 December 1941)

"So it's not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death," (14 October 1941)

It was true that he was baptized in a Catholic church as a child, but the fact that he had numerous Catholic leaders killed by the SS and removed all Catholic nuns from social service jobs indicates that he didn't identify himself as Catholic either.

There is a very lengthy essay on this subject at the link below with plenty of references for backup:

www.davnet.org...

the outcome would be the same as if OJ accepted jesus................

Originally posted by SavedOne

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Christian...he was a christian..he didn't like the catholics at all...and wanted to all but see the papal disassembled.

Otherwise, yes...he is in heaven...he was a very religious guy whom felt he was doing what god wanted him to do.

Ah yes, this is a favorite technique of what I call "radical atheists" (those who are more interested in slandering Christians then actually bothering to check the facts of what they're posting)- trying to discredit Christianity by tying Hitler to it. But it is completely bogus. Hitler was not a Christian and did not even claim to be a Christian. Here are two of his quotes regarding Christianity:

"Christianity is an invention of sick brains," (13 December 1941)

"So it's not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death," (14 October 1941)

It was true that he was baptized in a Catholic church as a child, but the fact that he had numerous Catholic leaders killed by the SS and removed all Catholic nuns from social service jobs indicates that he didn't identify himself as Catholic either.

There is a very lengthy essay on this subject at the link below with plenty of references for backup:

www.davnet.org...

here you go
scienceblogs.com...

Hitler was christian
Not to say he embodied what christianity did...in the same way he was a vegetarian, but vegetarians are not Hitleresque.
Stalin was an atheist, Hitler was a christian, Both were doing their thing in the name of power consolidation. Hitler used religion to win over some conservatives and jew haters...but personally I think he was going for some idealistic racial and political purity of the german people more than anything.

You can disagree on his religious upbringings, but you would be wrong..

What is following is the list of quotes from Hitler himself to war against atheism and secularism:
atheism.about.com...


I don't believe propagating a lie for whatever purpose will serve christians. I recommend accepting it and simply shrugging it off.

reply to post by Hydroman


Judgement on matters beyond life in the flesh are not ours to make. To be Christian you must believe that also as you must also believe in obeying authority. Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasars.

I think she is guilty and got off light. I also clearly see why the Jury found as they did. Being Christian it is not my place to judge beyond that. Being Christian does not mean being naive, nor does it mean turning a blind eye to evil people and what they do. Protecting ourselves, family, country and society from sociopathic killers is allowed and even required.

To often people misunderstand that maddening word meek in the Prose of the King James. The word it came from meant literally a person hurting so bad they have no place to turn but to God. We have no such word in English and meek was a horrible choice. We were never told to bend over or lay down.

The judgement passed down by laws here have no relationship to those from above, nor should they.

reply to post by SaturnFX


One correction, Hitler SAID he was Christian. As is the case with many evil men, saying you are Christian does not make you Christian. You have to live as a Christian to be a real one.

I see this thread devolved to dishonest haters pretending they don't know you cannot commit evil acts and be Christian.

reply to post by SavedOne


It came to me that you have no idea what he is speaking about

Hitler was a christian in the purest sense of it...he however had no love for christianity...or rather, the corporate churchianity propagated by the institutions created...he had major issues with the catholic setup, the influence of the papal, etc...

Do not mistake being a christian to being part of a church...the people mostly pray to their leaders and worship at the house of mans invention religion...the bible states to pray by yourself to pray not loudly in some church but rather away and to god direct...the "real" christian has no church they feel the need to go to, they see it as just a capitalist venture set on top of peoples spiritualist beliefs.

In that regard, I accept hitler as being similar to myself...I am no fan of christianity...and when I say that, I am discussing the endless streams of golden churches propped up and fueling politics and many enforced agendas...I don't give much thought to someone sitting in their home seeking their spiritual connection with something higher..I quite like that actually...
Hitler was pro christian, and anti-christianity(tm)

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

One correction, Hitler SAID he was Christian. As is the case with many evil men, saying you are Christian does not make you Christian. You have to live as a Christian to be a real one.

I see this thread devolved to dishonest haters pretending they don't know you cannot commit evil acts and be Christian.

haters? who is hating? we are discussing crime V redemption overall...its actually becoming more on topic.

As far as evil acts...that is a interesting discussion also. Some say they do good works...yet the bible teaches us that basically nobody is good...we simply don't understand it I guess
To know good we also will know evil...yet god suggests we have no concept of what is good, therefore, does that mean we have no clue what evil is also? (typically you need a comparison of one to know the other...you cannot know what wet is without knowing what dry is...know what cold is by understanding warmth, etc)

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You contradict the verse you posted, by saying she will be punished. It is up to God, not us. And if she truly repents and finds him (if she committed this terrible crime), she will be saved.

reply to post by SaturnFX


Not at all. Being a Christian is not a "get out of hell free" card. You have to truly repent and follow God. If one did this, one would never become a serial killer.

reply to post by SaturnFX


He would only be in heaven if he begged for God's forgiveness. And since he killed himself, I don't see how that could have happened. It is not up to us, however.

reply to post by SaturnFX

Hitler was a christian in the purest sense of it...he however had no love for christianity...or rather, the corporate churchianity propagated by the institutions created...he had major issues with the catholic setup, the influence of the papal, etc...

really now??..is this why they backed him..? I think your knowledge of Hitler is a little scewed.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by AnIntellectualRedneck
Just one of the many reasons I ultimately rejected the Christian God.

Though my moment of clarity came when I realized the supposedly Hitler was a Catholic, which meant that he could be in Heaven while, according to my religion, the millions he subjected to unimaginable horror were burning in Hell.

Otherwise, yes...he is in heaven...he was a very religious guy whom felt he was doing what god wanted him to do.

That is not something for you to claim. Only God knows what is in the hearts of all men. Just because some claims to be a Christian doesn't mean he is.

A Christian doesn't mass murder millions of people, and even if he believe what he was doing was in God's name, it wasn't. Demonic influence was surely the cause, and Demons do not dwell where Jesus is present.

Besides, didn't he kill himself?

Suicide is frowned upon in the Bible. You can't repent if you kill yourself, you died sinning.

All sin is equal in the eyes of God.
Ever have a lustful thought, or eaten more food than you needed?
You're on the same level as a (possible) child-killer.

People like to think they're better than others.

You know what's appalling? People saying that anyone should/deserves to go to hell. Do you really think ANYONE deserves that? To perpetually burn in fire and molten rock for ETERNITY. You do realize how "long" that is? Yes Casey Anthony may have murdered a child and she's a sick immoral person for doing so, but I wouldn't wish an eternal hell upon her, nor anyone who's committed some form of abominable act. Just no.

However according to the Bible anyone go to hell, even if they're genuinely a good person but have different ideologies. The fact that any God would allow someone to burn in hell for eternity because they chose to reject His particular religion, is one of the most horrendous things I can possibly think of. That's like if your dad raised you, and from the moment you could comprehend he said you have to love him or else he'd sprinkle some immortality dust on you, and stick you in a brick oven. You don't think that's sick? You can honestly tell me you'd be able to love a "father" like that? Something seems terribly wrong, that's NOT real love or justice.