What if Casey Anthony accepts Jesus as her savior?

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by Lionhearte

There are 12 areas to be tested at the seat of Judgement that Christians will go through, things like how much they sacrificed for others, how they treated fellow Humans, how they handled temptations, etc..

Crowns would be given, stuff like that, but personally it just feels like a perk, I don't care too much for such stuff, so I never really looked into it, but from my understand it's just that, rewards. I doubt there's any reason to look too much into it.

Again, who gives a flip about that stuff? You are in heaven, not burning. You will no longer be sick. You will no longer have fear of death. Oh yeah, you won't be BURNING FOREVER. Who cares what else you have to answer to or what rewards you may not get? You got it made son.

edit on 13-7-2011 by Hydroman because: (no reason given)

If you get enough crowns, you get a extra guy...or can buy superpowers at the trader...you will need superpowers to reach the end and defeat the boss.

It all seems a bit silly, doesn't it...hey, be super uber good and you will get a crown on your crowns crown...sounds like if your too good, your going to get a neck injury, along with looking like a ponce for wearing 12 hats at once...

Someone mentioned shame...you will feel shame for your sins when your in front of jesus or whatever...weird, when I screw up personally, I don't have to wait for the end of life to feel shame...I pretty much feel it right then and there when I do it, and try to then correct the action...I guess atheists have to take care of such things as they come verses save it up till the end...meh.

I wonder if there are religious debates in heaven...that often keeps me entertained...If I went to heaven, I would request a forum for religious debates...probably won't be as entertaining though since we all know the answers.

reply to post by SaturnFX


It definitely wouldn't be as entertaining without you there so why don't you join us???

Originally posted by Hydroman
Fine sir, I do understand how things work. My point is, have christians even thought about this while calling for her bloodshed? That there is a possibility that some day she could join their ranks. I mean, what church wouldn't love to have her as a member? Do they pray for her, that she'll one day see the light? Or do they wish for her demise?

OK, well first let me say that I am really annoyed that the court of public opinion convicted her and called for her head before the verdict was ever read. I am amazed at the number of people who think the 10 minutes of MSM coverage they watched trumps the weeks of testimony and evidence the jury saw. If the jury felt the evidence didn't prove her guilt, then I accept that finding.

Second, let's assume that she is guilty so that I can answer your question. If she is guilty, can she be saved? Yes, of course. The thief on the cross was saved despite doing nothing good his entire life. He believed on the Lord with practically his last breath and he was saved. King David was saved despite murdering one of his own soldiers so he could have a fling with his wife. Will we know whether or not she is saved? No. Because we do not know what is in her heart. She may be going to prayer groups and singing kumbayah and the whole time thinking "YESSSS! I GOT AWAY WITH IT!!!" Or she may be completely torn up inside and begging God for forgiveness. Salvation depends on a truly repentent heart, and, if she in fact murdered her child, we'll never know if she truly repents of it or not.

Another good question...Can an atheist forgive her?

There is no "caylee is in heaven playing with jesus" mindset to the typical atheist...a murder is a murder and thats it.

So...no washing away of sins through some ghost blinking it into being fine...


Personally, yes. I have seen vets break down and cry in regret for those that they murdered and didn't need to, I have seen people profoundly realize what they have done and, without belief, felt honest sorrow for the pain they caused others. I think people screw up...everyone screws up to some degree, and how you learn from it is what is important.
Now, a serial killer...that does it over and over again, well, if they ever have that moment of "omg, I can't believe I did that", well, problem is, they demonstrated they are a danger to society...so ya, lock em up until the foundation crumbles around them...but someone whom killed someone either accidently, or as some moment of absurd insane stupidity they later came to regret...I can move past that.

My bro got murdered through a fit of rage and coolness by some ass. It was difficult to forgive him, but I did anyhow after awhile because ultimately, he had to live with the fact that he murdered someone...I don't know of his religion, or what his life turned into after that (after prison), but I do hope he learned from it and went on to become a positive influence in his society..perhaps teach others by his lesson so that it does not happen again.

Originally posted by Soldier of God
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

It definitely wouldn't be as entertaining without you there so why don't you join us???

If there is an afterlife, I will see you there
If there is a biblical god waiting at the end, i will accept whatever he deems approprate without much of a fuss...ultimately, I don't reckon the biblical deity as understood and I would have much in common anyhow. I might actually prefer the flip side in comparison to a relatively empty heaven with just a few fundys to play checkers with and god constantly talking about destroying the world.

But, if there is my speculation version of god running the show at the end, well, we will pretty much all be alright anyhow...gotta worry more about our own standards than the judgement of others.

What if Casey Anthony accepts Jesus as her savior?

The Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard

The Thief on the Cross Beside Jesus
- Not to mention that the middle cross was probably meant for Barabbas and Jesus took his place that day willingly.


So there, I think you have your answer.

Originally posted by dbates

What if Casey Anthony accepts Jesus as her savior?

So there, I think you have your answer.

Again, I fully understand that answer. My point was, do most christians? As the U.S. is a predominantly christian country, many of these people are calling for her blood. Do they stop to think that maybe one day they could be worshiping their god together?

reply to post by Hydroman

People naturally abhor injustice and the death of innocent ones. If she was in fact guilty then she deserves the consequences of her action. The thief on the cross beside Jesus wasn't excused from his execution by Jesus that day. My personal view is that she was found innocent of murder. People just need to let it go and forgive her and of course having hate for her isn't really productive. If she did something wrong God will judge her. There's no need for us to pull out the pitchforks.

I, an atheist just saved a baby kitten who's Christian owner was evicted and left the kitty locked inside with no food or water, having no intention of coming back for it. Actually, the stories quite a bit worse than that, but I don't want to derive the topic.

A nasty Christian is a nasty christian. A nasty Atheist is a nasty Atheist.

If Casey Anthony is guilty, her religious beliefs are completely irrelevant to me. Christians aren't innately more moral than any other Theist or Atheist, and thusly aren't any more respectable.

If she changes as a person, and is truly a better person, and truly regrets her past actions, she's forgivable.

I will admit that in our world, some people need a religious push to tell them to be better people. I pity the people who don't have anything of true value to find a push in their lives. Still, religious push to be a better person, is better than staying a bad person. That's becoming a better person that's the good part, becoming religious in itself is at best neutral.

Edit: I must emphasis the IF in 'if she is guilty'. If the courts ruled there was at least some reasonable doubt of her guilt, why are we all personally ruling that 'there's no doubt she's guilty'? Granted, I didn't follow the case, but that's even more reason I'm not comfortable condemning her for something she was proven innocent of.

i only read the title, so was it worth the post?

Originally posted by dbates
reply to post by Hydroman

 

People naturally abhor injustice and the death of innocent ones. If she was in fact guilty then she deserves the consequences of her action. The thief on the cross beside Jesus wasn't excused from his execution by Jesus that day. My personal view is that she was found innocent of murder. People just need to let it go and forgive her and of course having hate for her isn't really productive. If she did something wrong God will judge her. There's no need for us to pull out the pitchforks.

People abhor not just injustice, but percieved injustice of anyone, be it innocent, or themselves..
Hell, they yell for peoples death when they are simply offended (see: crusifiction)

Actually, what examples of Christ's view on law and punishment do we have?
Let he without sin cast the first stone...
He was endlessly breaking minor laws, especially when he went on his tip-fest in the temple.or working on the sabbath or healing on the sabbath, same thing really as your not allowed to heal on that day, but meh, he was beyond that.

Seems to me overall his viewpoint is fairly indifferent to manmade legalities..arguably more towards redemption through psychological help than punishment (go forth and sin no more).

As far as the thief...well, he wasn't..because he wasn't in a position to excuse him, else I expect he would have also excused himself from it..aka, let his cup pass from him.
Ya, I get the impression through acts and words that Jesus wasn't a fan overall of law enforcement and punishment methods...such things are in the domain of a bunch of screaming chimps waving sticks

reply to post by SaturnFX

Actually, what examples of Christ's view on law and punishment do we have?

He seems to have had a bigger view of things where he dwelt more on a person's whole life, rather than on one particular act.

Originally posted by Soldier of God
reply to post by Hydroman

 

Saved or not she will still pay for her sins. Everyone has to answer for what they have done, including every Christian.

Actually, not. Christians do not have to answer for what they have done. There are several places in the New Testament that will confirm this. Start at Romans 8:1. The punishment is taken by Jesus.

We can all be saved..we are all sinners and in need of salvation.

Originally posted by Jim Scott

Originally posted by Soldier of God
reply to post by Hydroman

 

Saved or not she will still pay for her sins. Everyone has to answer for what they have done, including every Christian.

Actually, not. Christians do not have to answer for what they have done. There are several places in the New Testament that will confirm this. Start at Romans 8:1. The punishment is taken by Jesus.

Good point.
So, here is a interesting senario..when you accept jesus as lord, it clears you totally of all sins, past, present, and future (so I am told).
That means at like....10 years old, you can be saved and accept and all that, then go on to be a murderous thug doing absolute horrors until you die...but because you accepted the blood of christ at 10, your all good.

That is pretty much how it is written..so ya, interesting stuff...christians got it made...a guilt and punishment free existance...now I suddenly understand how mafia and such can do what they do without concern..they are already good..morally they are without worry because they are already saved.

-ponders-

Actually, when I was about 8-14, I was a christian and accepted...so, I guess I am good...time to go murdering and robbing then..I am good, my past acceptance sorts that out

I don't know how much time anyone posting on this thread have spent with murderers, but I can tell you they are seriously messed up people. Probably in old days in a lot of cultures, they would identify defective people and in a discrete way have them just disappear, so in a survival motivated world these people who would cause problems would not be around. Things may not be so harsh today, and questionable people are not just eliminated out of hand, and are allowed free access to society untill after they do something really bad.
How would God Judge one of these people who were tied to rocks and dropped into deep water, before they were ever old enough to have committed all the crimes they were capable of doing?
Would God just say, "Well, you're fine because you never did anything bad" or would he say,"No sense putting this one on trial", and just have a trap door open and the person goes straight to hell?
Even the worse people have these little moments when they realize they are bad, and wish they weren't, then just go off into their normal (for them) state of mind. My point is that God understands exactly what a person is capable of doing, and how they use what capabilities they have. Each person is unique in this regard.
Paul would say that we have a government to deal with matters of crime and punishment to maintain a level of civility in a society. It was a little more dictatorial then, and I don't know if he foresaw our current system. Where there is a jury and individuals have to make weighty decisions of the accused's fate. We then (or the individuals so tasked) have to take the role described by Paul. But a person's eternal fate must be left to a higher authority.

Just one of the many reasons I ultimately rejected the Christian God.

Though my moment of clarity came when I realized the supposedly Hitler was a Catholic, which meant that he could be in Heaven while, according to my religion, the millions he subjected to unimaginable horror were burning in Hell.

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I am afraid you are wrong...what delusion and suffering this belief has put on men.

Sin does not exist, Jesus is a false name.

I find it most funny that people call out a name that is entirely false, and get strength from it.... goes to show how powerful the imagination is.

And the cage religions have put on finding a higher existence, STOPPED dead cold... by these ridiculous ideas...

We shall watch these old ways die a terrible death, it will be the most challenging time of all, watching the masses searching desperately for their god, and not finding it.. i feel many will be destroyed by the realization that all that they thought was true could not be farther from reality.

Originally posted by Jim Scott

Originally posted by Soldier of God
reply to post by Hydroman

 

Saved or not she will still pay for her sins. Everyone has to answer for what they have done, including every Christian.

Actually, not. Christians do not have to answer for what they have done. There are several places in the New Testament that will confirm this. Start at Romans 8:1. The punishment is taken by Jesus.

In I Corinthians 3: 12-15, Paul relates that we can lose rewards but not our eternal life. That... is what I was talking about.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
I don't know how much time anyone posting on this thread have spent with murderers, but I can tell you they are seriously messed up people.

I wanted to address this because it is a gross generalization that tends to send really bad messages to societys.

I have spent time with people whom murdered others, some through war, some through..well, passion cases (I tend to get around).
They are varied, like anyone else. They are not any more or less messed up than anyone else you meet randomly...
Now, I never have spent time with like, a serial killer, or anything like that...however, people whom murdered? check.
Sometimes, good people can do bad things.