Ron Paul says he's all in for the presidency, won't run again for Congress

reply to post by kro32


Hahaha, no way, I've seen you in many threads since your post count was in the lower 1300's and every posts have been 2-3 lines of stirring the pot.

I don't care enough to go though your posts to prove the inconsistencies but I have caught them. Sometimes you are for an idea then in the next thread you are against it (or so it seems based on your quick one liner comments or random links).

You may say you just like playing the devils advocate or whatever but really... You just love to stir the pot. Just calling you out on it.

-Lightrule

Originally posted by Lightrule
reply to post by kro32

 

Hahaha, no way, I've seen you in many threads since your post count was in the lower 1300's and every posts have been 2-3 lines of stirring the pot.

I don't care enough to go though your posts to prove the inconsistencies but I have caught them. Sometimes you are for an idea then in the next thread you are against it (or so it seems based on your quick one liner comments or random links).

You may say you just like playing the devils advocate or whatever but really... You just love to stir the pot. Just calling you out on it.

-Lightrule

Yes feel free to check many of my posts today that far exceed 2 or 3 lines if you wish. And since you have no evidence of me being inconsistent why do you bring it up?

Your funny

Originally posted by kro32
As I said we are just ramping up

Didn't want to throw you guys curve balls before you've warmed up

Through perverse court decisions and years of cultural indoctrination, the elitist, secular Left has managed to convince many in our nation that religion must be driven from public view. The justification is always that someone, somewhere, might possibly be offended or feel uncomfortable living in the midst of a largely Christian society, so all must yield to the fragile sensibilities of the few. The ultimate goal of the anti-religious elites is to transform America into a completely secular nation, a nation that is legally and culturally biased against Christianity. — Ron Paul

Yep, that's exactly right. The Left (Marxist, communist, socialist, secular, atheist, godless, etc) have determined that Christianity is the single biggest problem stopping their agenda (aside from free enterprise) and they must shut it down any way they can. Our Founding Fathers envisioned freedom of religion, not condemnation of it. Even if you say that some of our Founders were Deist, that is they were Masons who practiced a non denominational occult religion that encompassed several ancient philosophical systems, it is still not secular in nature. Communism is the system which employs a strictly secular State, and is a godless system. It's part of their modus operandi. Ask any one from the former Soviet Union how the Christian church was persecuted.

reply to post by kro32


I would start with the departments . . . the Department of Education, the Department of Energy, Department of Homeland Security. . .”

That is music to my ears. How the hell can a nation with debt rapidly approaching 100% of GDP afford these bloated bureaucracies?

The IRS is the first thing that should be abolished. The IRS and tax code is the main problem with our country. It centralizes all the power in Washington. The thousands and thousands of volumes of code are used by lobbyists and politicians to set up a defacto fascist state. The power stays with the "too big to fails" with their armies of lawyers while the small business man is crushed under an unending pile of red tape and regulations. The same politicians who pass the tax laws written by corporate lobbyists, end up working for those companies once they leave office. If that is not fascism I do not know what is.

kro32 seems to be quite ignorant or a fascist or both.

A straight consumption based tax on goods and services is the choice for free men. No filling returns. No need for the gov to know what you make.

If Americans allow Obama in again and don't vote for a man that is clearly for the people, America's downfall will be at the hands of the people and there will be no one else to blame but themselves.

The writing will be on the wall for the World to see that the American people either don't care about their Country or are just too stupid to see what is happening and what will continue to happen.

So many here on ATS asking what can be done to stop the destruction...well here at least is a chance. Don't blow it!

here some Ron Paul for those interested. Ron Paul Answers: GOP Debate June 13, 2011.



Interestingly, so far the CNN poll on the debate online displays Ron Paul the SIGNIFICANTLY voted winner ( over 75%! ) of the debates!

The results of this year’s CPAC straw poll of potential presidential candidates are in. For the second year in a row, the winner is Ron Paul, with 30% of the vote. Mitt Romney came in second with 23%. Gary Johnson was third with 6%.

Ron Paul Wins CPAC Presidential Straw Poll With 30% of Vote!

Ron Paul overwhelmingly won the 2011 RLC Presidential Straw Poll, gaining 612 (39.69%) of a total of 1542 votes! Jon Huntsman came in second with 382 votes (24.77%), Michele Bachmann was third with 191 votes (12.39%), while last year’s winner Mitt Romney slipped to fifth with only 74 votes (4.80%).

Ron Paul Wins RLC Presidential Straw Poll with 39.69% of the Vote

reply to post by kro32


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Drugs were legal in the USA until about 1937. Has the War on Drugs worked? No! Are people who don't currently do drugs going to start doing them should they be decriminalized? Hardly. I don't do drugs, but let's say I'd like to sit in my house, minding my own business, and smoke a joint? This would effect or hurt you how?

When I was being raised, when we still had a small semblance of freedom in this country, we were taught to mind our own business! That philosophy needs to come back, imo: I may not like what you say or do, but I will defend your right to say or do so. In a free society, my rights extend until they start interfering with your rights. If an addict commits a robbery (for instance), he will be charged--he has interfered with the rights of someone else.

Paul says it's a states' issue. If your state doesn't want to legalize drugs, then move to a state that does. Something to please everyone, ya see?! In addition, he says it's a medical issue, and it is.

Anyway, Portugal decriminalized drugs about a decade ago. It was a huge success:
www.time.com...

Not to mention, to bring hemp production back to the states would create many jobs. Hemp is used for rope, clothing, food, fuel, and Ford even had a hemp car, which was sturdier than what we have today:
www.youtube.com...

The first two drafts of the Declaration of Independence were on hemp.

Originally posted by Lightrule
Crazy antics? You say it like he is a nutter...

I suppose you don't consider the theft of our economy, hijacking of our legal system and genocide to be crazy antics then?

What exactly do you consider crazy antics?

-Lightrule

All of his stances are crazy. He wants to gut the government and has no idea how economics or the constitution works.
There are plenty of Paul threads on the forum. Just do a quick search and you will find plenty of nutty things he says and believes.

reply to post by gorgi


I remember years and years ago when I was a small boy, we had in the classroom a small picture frame in which sat a proverb: "What is popular is not always right. What is right is not always popular."

To those who think Ron Paul is crazy, I would posit that we have been following the Keynesian economic model fully for the last forty years now. It is Keynesian economics which have gotten us into the situation we now face.

Is Ron Paul crazy for being a student of Austrian economics, and not a student of Keynes? Two thoughts from Einstein:

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

“You cannot solve a problem from the same consciousness that created it. You must learn to see the world anew.”

reply to post by Habit4ming


That post had nothing to do on whether or not drugs should be illegal or not. The post had to do with Paul thinking that by elimination of drug laws that drug crimes will stop.

If you'd like to argue that than be my guest.

reply to post by sinderfield


I am neither ignorant or facist but if you think that just walking into the White House and eliminating these departments without a plan on how to deal with the tasks they currently do is simple or easy than it appears your the one not thinking this throught.

Reagan tried to eliminate the department of education and it turned out impossible to do yet you think Ron Paul is going to elimate multiple departments?

reply to post by kro32


How do you know what the man is "thinking"?? I have also read many of his books, read many of his speeches and articles. No where EVER did I hear, or read him say that by eliminating drug laws, drug crimes would go away. He may have said a great majority of them would be reduced, and guess what? That is the truth.

Look at prohibition. Look at all the crime that caused. Once they made alcohol legal again, away went the crime. You don't see people still running moonshine in high speed car chases do you? Take away the power of the drug cartels by making things like non-synthetic drugs legal and there will be no market to make money on them. Hence the "crime" goes away. But this will never happen because then the DEA, ATF, Prisons, Police and many many other organizations will lose money. Maybe if you would realize that the War on Drugs is just a money making scheme then you would see Ron Paul's point here.

And frankly I'm tired of people calling him crazy. What is crazy about wanting to change this country for the better? What is crazy about stopping all the political BS that we have been subject to over and over and over again? What is crazy about wanting better things for ourselves and our children? The way things have been going over the last decade... THAT is what is crazy. But if you go against it? Oh your just some old loon with crazy ideas. Meanwhile we are offered the choice in the next election of a bunch of wackos. Bachmann? Gimme a break. But this religious psychopath will be shoved down our throats by the media.

This is great, Ron Paul has shown himself to be very committed to winning the presidency, not that he wasn't in 2008, but after he lost the primaries he sort of fell back to his safety net as congressman, but now that he has let go of this, there is nothing holding him back from directing all his energy at the presidency, maybe even a third party route if the republican primaries don't work. This will be exciting to see.

Originally posted by blood0fheroes
reply to post by gorgi

 

I remember years and years ago when I was a small boy, we had in the classroom a small picture frame in which sat a proverb: "What is popular is not always right. What is right is not always popular."

To those who think Ron Paul is crazy, I would posit that we have been following the Keynesian economic model fully for the last forty years now. It is Keynesian economics which have gotten us into the situation we now face.

Is Ron Paul crazy for being a student of Austrian economics, and not a student of Keynes? Two thoughts from Einstein:

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

“You cannot solve a problem from the same consciousness that created it. You must learn to see the world anew.”

Supply side "economics" got us into this mess as well as lack of regulation. Keynesian economics is the way to get us out.

Your einstein quote is right however since Reagen came to power supply side/ vodoo econ have become the republicans way to go. So stuff has changed.

reply to post by DerekJR321


www.fight4truth.com...

You obviously don't research him very well.

reply to post by gorgi


"Keynesian economics is the way to get us out."

That is the funniest quote yet. Decades of Keynesian AKA Spend, Print and Tax economics got us into this mess in the first place. Back in 2008 we had the option of giving all of the U. S. a year or two of no taxes. The money the "Keynesians" spent on the bailouts, cash for clunkers, TARP, Omnibus, etc.... could have instead been given back to the American people. But no our wise Keynesian leaders knew better than us. Look how great the economy is now.

The fact of the matter is we are broke and if you want to continue with your Keynesian way you must raise taxes. You must raise a lot of taxes, not just on the "rich." You must raise taxes 1.5 trillion a year. (not even counting un-funded liabilities) Are you willing to pay 10% more in taxes to pay for DHS, IRS, EPA, Dep of Ed., Foreign Wars, TSA etc...

I sir am not. Unless the taxes are on someone else neither are the American people.

2008 proved Keynes so wrong. Bubble, Inflate, Repeat oh my!

reply to post by gorgi


I believe you and I have gotten into this discussion a bit before, and with your leave I wouldn't mind pursuing it further.

Would you say it is a fair statement that Keynesian economics sees a countries economy as a complex machine; which it is the role of government to "fine tune" per se?

reply to post by kro32


He was making a simple statement saying that crime probably would go away. Certainly more so than this "War on Drugs" is doing.

But I suppose spending billions and billions criminalizing drugs is a better idea. That's not crazy.
I suppose throwing drug users in jail, at a cost of $100,000+ per year per inmate, simply because they have an addiction... that's not crazy at all.
Having the highest prison rate per person in the entire world, of which the majority is for drug crimes (usage) is perfectly fine in the land of the free. That's not crazy.
Criminalizing a friggin plant that grows in the ground. Nope. Not crazy at all..

Your right. Ron Paul is the only nut case here. I guess I can move on now and make sure I vote for Mr. Hope and Change or Ms. Anti-Porn this time around. God I can't wait.

reply to post by kro32


The plan is to turn the responsibilities of those departments to the individual states. Of course there would be a transition period. If we can create an agency as large as Homeland Security in a few months (DHS did not exist 10 years ago) we can certainly transition to a Constitutional form of governance.

We got by just fine in my parents lifetime without any of these departments. I do not use any of the supposed services provided by the Federal Alphabet Soup. All they give me is more taxes, less freedom and a rapidly devaluing dollar.

The department of education has destroyed the K-12 in this country: "The National Assessment of Educational Progress reports that only 1 in 4 high-school seniors scored at least "proficient" in knowledge of U.S. citizenship." - lewrockwell.com...

TPTB used the "Sky is Falling" argument to ram through all this spending. Guess what it is the U. S. A. and its dollar that is falling. We are flat broke. Take a look at our un-funded liabilities. There will never be enough money to pay for them.

Unless we wake up to the facts and have the strength of character to change our ways we will become another footnote in history like Rome or the Soviet Union.

I bet the Soviets did not see a way to eliminate the Ministry of Communications, the Ministry of Economy and Forecasting, the Ministry of Nature and Environment and so forth. The law of supply and demand did.

Originally posted by sinderfield
reply to post by gorgi

 

"Keynesian economics is the way to get us out."

That is the funniest quote yet. Decades of Keynesian AKA Spend, Print and Tax economics got us into this mess in the first place. Back in 2008 we had the option of giving all of the U. S. a year or two of no taxes. The money the "Keynesians" spent on the bailouts, cash for clunkers, TARP, Omnibus, etc.... could have instead been given back to the American people. But no our wise Keynesian leaders knew better than us. Look how great the economy is now.

The fact of the matter is we are broke and if you want to continue with your Keynesian way you must raise taxes. You must raise a lot of taxes, not just on the "rich." You must raise taxes 1.5 trillion a year. (not even counting un-funded liabilities) Are you willing to pay 10% more in taxes to pay for DHS, IRS, EPA, Dep of Ed., Foreign Wars, TSA etc...

I sir am not. Unless the taxes are on someone else neither are the American people.

2008 proved Keynes so wrong. Bubble, Inflate, Repeat oh my!

edit on 12-7-2011 by sinderfield because: typo

2008 proved that supply side/ vodoo economics, low taxes, low regulation does not work. Bush and the rest of the republican gang are not Polynesians.

Taxes should be raised on the rich and close the loop holes for the corporations. Clinton balanced the budget with out the economy falling to pieces.