CIA Organised Fake Vaccination Drive To Get Osama bin Laden's Family DNA

reply to post by Grey Magic



I have read all of those but Propaganda. I still do not believe that we are being controlled by the CIA nor do I believe in a "shadow government". I try to see the world with my own two eyes. I have heard the story of Miss Bhutto being assassinated supposedly because she believed OBL was killed long ago and I also know she never provided proof. In fact, her assassination could have been from any number of issues that stemmed from her presidency. Such as the fact that she was a woman ruling in what is perceived as a mans world. Until I see proof of her assassination due to her undisclosed knowledge of a previous killing of OBL, I will still be on the fence. I don’t believe everything I read or watch.

reply to post by Grey Magic

What has youtube got to do with this?

Besmirching YouTube is a method used when one is attempting to discredit information that is clearly seen and heard with our own eyes and ears. Before it's over, deniers, naysayers, and debunkers will have us believing something we were an eyewitness to was a figment of our imagination.

Don't you know that every whistleblower is a charlatan, every video on YouTube has been altered, eyewitness reports are always erroneous, and when politicians accidentally make an incriminating remark it's because they are tired or their words were taken out of context?

reply to post by DerbyCityLights

I think I have figured out another plausable explination as to how we were able to get the DNA samples after the guards took the vaccines from the nurses. They had to throw them away. Sure, they couldnt be positive about which needle/cotton ball went to which person, but if even one of the samples retrieved from the trash pulled a positive ID upon comparison, they would know that the chances of OBL being in the compound were pretty good when combined with the rest of the intelligence they had at the time.

Wow, Derby, you should go get a job as a P.R. person for the government and work their "damage control" division.....if there is one.

reply to post by DerbyCityLights

THE conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.

We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society.

And that's just the first 2 paragraphs of Propaganda written by Edward L Bernays and published in 1928.

here's a review of the book, it's in the public domain so you should be able to find it if you want to read the rest.

I hope you can find Your Truth and that it will be close to The Truth.

There are three truths, your truth, my truth and the truth.

Chinese proverb

GM

NightGypsy, they type of person you are trying to pin me as actually usually attacks the person presenting the information and NOT the information itself...just as you have done to me. I do not wand will not make personal attacks on you or GM as I honestly do not know any of you from a hole in the ground.

GM, sounds interesting. I will pick it up and give it a try

reply to post by DerbyCityLights

NightGypsy, they type of person you are trying to pin me as actually usually attacks the person presenting the information and NOT the information itself...just as you have done to me. I do not wand will not make personal attacks on you or GM as I honestly do not know any of you from a hole in the ground.

I am not trying to "pin" you as anything. I am simply making a point. Sometimes a video is just a video and the information contained therein is nothing more or less than what is represented.

I thought DNA was taken from Bin Laden's deceased sister?

Either way, I never believed anything to do with the Bin Laden death from the beginning.

Too many loopholes & gaps in the story, if you ask me.

S+F though, it sounds like some truth is finally being shed.

Just watched a documentary about previous assassinations attempts against bin Laden. In one the CIA murdered an innocent man because he looked tall in drone video. The doc stated that DNA was used to determine that the "tall man" was not bin Laden and that the DNA was taken from his family members. This shows the DNA has been in US hands before, so I question this new story.

Originally posted by NightGypsy
I am not trying to "pin" you as anything. I am simply making a point. Sometimes a video is just a video and the information contained therein is nothing more or less than what is represented.

Here is what you said:

Besmirching YouTube is a method used when one is attempting to discredit information that is clearly seen and heard with our own eyes and ears. Before it's over, deniers, naysayers, and debunkers will have us believing something we were an eyewitness to was a figment of our imagination.

Don't you know that every whistleblower is a charlatan, every video on YouTube has been altered, eyewitness reports are always erroneous, and when politicians accidentally make an incriminating remark it's because they are tired or their words were taken out of context?

Let me help you understand what I meant by this. You are basically saying that I discredited the evidence by misrepresenting the source of the evidence. This is called a Straw Man fallacy. I did not use this fallacy when I made my statement. It is a fact that most of us around here do not regard youtube as a creditable source of evidence. Therefore your statement as quoted above was a typical Ad Hominem attack made by you against me.

In case you are wondering, the definition of an Ad Hominem attack is as follows: attacking the arguer instead of the argument.


Both of these fallacies can be defined here: en.wikipedia.org...



Now, back on topic here.

This is just speculation here, but perhaps it is possible that the CIA used its intelligence about the courier to find his route to the compound where OBL was found, then came up with the idea to do the vaccine thing in order to verify the intelligence they had? If this is actually how this all went down, I'd say they are damn geniuses.

Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
Just watched a documentary about previous assassinations attempts against bin Laden. In one the CIA murdered an innocent man because he looked tall in drone video. The doc stated that DNA was used to determine that the "tall man" was not bin Laden and that the DNA was taken from his family members. This shows the DNA has been in US hands before, so I question this new story.

Sounds very interesting, would you happen to have alinky for that story?
Thanks in advance.

reply to post by burntheships


This is the documentary.

Here is an article, stating that US officials had asked bin Laden family members for DNA samples. And Rumsfeld insisting that the victims were not merely scrap metal collectors, as the villagers said they were. They were in fact what they were said to be, innocent victims. Absurd that anyone would launch a missile, because the target was tall.

Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
reply to post by burntheships

 

This is the documentary.

Here is an article,

And from your link...

The man, who was killed by a Hellfire missile launched from a CIA Predator drone plane, was picked out because he met a description of bin Laden as a tall man surrounded by a large entourage.
An American search team sent to the remote spot high in mountains close to the Pakistani border took away some of the dead man's remains, which arenow undergoing tests in America to see if it was bin Laden who was killed.
Today CNN reported that the Pentagon has issued a request to bin Laden's close family for samples of their DNA so it can prove whether or not the body is that of the terror chief.
www.dailymail.co.uk...

Yes, indeed. So there are at least three different stories out there about DNA, and here in this story,
as you have pointed out they killed one man and got it wrong.

Wow...

reply to post by burntheships


Wow.....hahaha......now they say they arrested the Pakistani doctor whom the CIA used to try to obtain the bin Laden family's DNA inside the compound....

In this video, however, they make it sound as though they were trying to obtain the DNA in order to match it to that of bin Laden's dead sister, which suggests they were intending to use it to try to determine whether or not someone from the bin Laden blood line was living inside the compound.

www.casttv.com...

reply to post by NightGypsy


Saw that they arrested the Doc, he must have sent his nurse over to the compound to do the dirty
work...remember bin Ladens buddys supposedly took the vaccines from a woman.

This whole story makes no sense whatsover, since when do they arrest Docs working undercover
for the CIA? Its ludicrous.