A Kids Reaction To Gay Couple

reply to post by ignorant_ape


The video could have been made for America's Funniest Videos looking for a win and some big bucks. It is a cute kid and the conversation could have been staged. Nothing there seemed to be in bad taste or offensive.

My gay friends don't make a big deal about their relationships. They are all well-educated, hard working, and a lot of fun and many times down right funny. There is never any sex talk and nothing in bad taste. Those of us who have gay friends and family have learned to be very comfortable in mixed groups. It is liberating.

reply to post by Helious


I was just doing some fact checking, and I feel the need to call you out on your affirmation that being Gay goes against the natural order. I really don't wish to start an argument tonight, though I admit this is the exception rather than the rule.

Gay Behaviour in Animals

Enjoy!

Originally posted by Minihaha
reply to post by ignorant_ape

 

The video could have been made for America's Funniest Videos looking for a win and some big bucks. It is a cute kid and the conversation could have been staged. Nothing there seemed to be in bad taste or offensive.

My gay friends don't make a big deal about their relationships. They are all well-educated, hard working, and a lot of fun and many times down right funny. There is never any sex talk and nothing in bad taste. Those of us who have gay friends and family have learned to be very comfortable in mixed groups. It is liberating.

I agree with this post as well, like I have stated more than once, the video itself was not that bad for me. The reaction by the gay community on the video however was slightly more offensive and agenda pushing.

My gay friends also don't make a big deal about there relationships, are well educated and hard working and alot of fun, and hella funny, which makes me question the motives of agenda spewing activists even more.

That's just great, cram it down a kid's throat without warning.
Still, I like the way the kid almost does a face palm as if to say "what idiots."

Originally posted by Negotium of Verum
reply to post by Helious

 

I was just doing some fact checking, and I feel the need to call you out on your affirmation that being Gay goes against the natural order. I really don't wish to start an argument tonight, though I admit this is the exception rather than the rule.

Gay Behaviour in Animals

Enjoy!

Um, no....... Rethinking.... and, no. Straight males in prison resort to "gay" behavior as well, something they would not engage in on the "outside". I was the bartender at Medieval Times for a couple years and we only had male horses for the shows, they once in a while would try to get out and try to mount another male horse, this is not the same as they never had a choice in the matter.

The logic is flawed and does not reflect nature or reality. Reality is the strongest emotion in the animal world is survival and propagation of the species, that can not be accomplished with attempting to breed with the same sex, the argument is devoid of any merit and is the product of flashes of ego, dominance and lust.

Please have a better argument on this topic the next time you feel the need to "Call me out"

reply to post by Helious


I am simply stating a presence of gay behavior in nature, as a retort to your statement that it is not natural. The cause of said behavior is irrelevant. My logic, on those grounds, is sound.

You listed some interesting environmental and psychological triggers for this behavior in animals and humans alike. Perhaps then, homosexuality serves some purpose at certain times when further propagation of a species is unnecessary or undesirable. Do we really know 100% how nature works? No.
Being a hetero male with several gay friends, I feel you are somewhat misguided in your belief that this idea could be damaging to a child. It certainly won't sway his sexual preference in any direction( I know you were not implying that specifically!) .
You seem balanced, you are not a bigot. I know this, and I am not trying to attack you. We simply disagree on some key issues this thread has brought forth. For example, why not allow gay people the right to marriage? As I am sure you know, words are words, and if you have no problem with them being allowed full rights, then why not use the same lingo?

EDIT: Why come to you with a better argument? I believe I stated I wasn't looking for one. Unfortunately, I guess I'm in one now.
Edit to the poster below: I agree with you! No animal, people included, is born gay. The main drive in nature is reproduction. However, for some reason, there still exists exceptions. One more for good measure

The logic is flawed and does not reflect nature or reality. Reality is the strongest emotion in the animal world is survival and propagation of the species, that can not be accomplished with attempting to breed with the same sex, the argument is devoid of any merit and is the product of flashes of ego, dominance and lust.

Please have a better argument on this topic the next time you feel the need to "Call me out"


I agree with your response, poeple are not born gay. People are however born with very strong urges to reproduce and if someone wants to relieve themselves of an instinctual urge and it harms no one else, than have a blast.

Sex, especially nowadays in our ultra materialistic world, has very little to do with love. Its the years in a relationship built up that allow you to love the person. Sex is just for fun (and makin babies if thats what you long for).
If two (or more) people want to call it marriage than go nutty. Me and my wife are grown up enough to share that word with others...

reply to post by Helious


I agree too!

What bothers me the most is that the video is taken obviously in a bathroom. I don't care if you are gay, I have 2 cousins that are flaming. But, I feel for this little boy being told the facts of life in a bathroom by some "husbands".

Originally posted by Negotium of Verum
reply to post by Helious

 

I am simply stating a presence of gay behavior in nature, as a retort to your statement that it is not natural. The cause of said behavior is irrelevant. My logic, on those grounds, is sound.

You listed some interesting environmental and psychological triggers for this behavior in animals and humans alike. Perhaps then, homosexuality serves some purpose at certain times when further propagation of a species is unnecessary or undesirable. Do we really know 100% how nature works? No.
Being a hetero male with several gay friends, I feel you are somewhat misguided in your belief that this idea could be damaging to a child. It certainly won't sway his sexual preference in any direction( I know you were not implying that specifically!) .
You seem balanced, you are not a bigot. I know this, and I am not trying to attack you. We simply disagree on some key issues this thread has brought forth. For example, why not allow gay people the right to marriage? As I am sure you know, words are words, and if you have no problem with them being allowed full rights, then why not use the same lingo?

EDIT: Why come to you with a better argument? I believe I stated I wasn't looking for one. Unfortunately, I guess I'm in one now.
Edit to the poster below: I agree with you! No animal, people included, is born gay. The main drive in nature is reproduction. However, for some reason, there still exists exceptions. One more for good measure

edit on 11-7-2011 by Negotium of Verum because: (no reason given)

Actually, I have no argument with you. You seem to me to be a reasonable and intelligent person who is expressing there views and some of what you say holds water. The fact that you acknowledge that it is not "normal" behavior is enough for me.

I didn't say it was wrong, mind you. Just like you stated..... Not normal as pertains to the whole of any species. In fact, I starred both of your posts because reasonable debate is needed and is just not entertained in these threads very often because they become to emotional to many people and they are unable to debate effectively from the hip.

Originally posted by Helious
I find this disturbing somehow. Perhaps it is the word married that is used or that the two men identify themselves as both being husbands. I think that is what bothers me.

Wasn't it the kid who identified them as both husbands - - and they just agreed with him?

We had a gay roommate. My 10 year old granddaughter asked if he was gay. We said Yes. Then she says - - that means he likes boys instead of girls. We said Yes.

She then said: Oh. Ok - - then went outside to play.

reply to post by Helious


No argument there. I am about ten seconds from faceplanting on my keyboard; it's been a long day. I don't post often, but when I do, people such a yourself that can carry on an intelligent discussion/debate give me hope in the future of this weird and wonderful website.

Originally posted by du Pelican Blanc
reply to post by Helious

 

I agree too!

What bothers me the most is that the video is taken obviously in a bathroom. I don't care if you are gay, I have 2 cousins that are flaming. But, I feel for this little boy being told the facts of life in a bathroom by some "husbands".

The Facts of Life.

That's a reach.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Helious
I find this disturbing somehow. Perhaps it is the word married that is used or that the two men identify themselves as both being husbands. I think that is what bothers me.

Wasn't it the kid who identified them as both husbands - - and they just agreed with him?

We had a gay roommate. My 10 year old granddaughter asked if he was gay. We said Yes. Then she says - - that means he likes boys instead of girls. We said Yes.

She then said: Oh. Ok - - then went outside to play.

No, there is no clear mention of how the child was involved in the conversation. It is much more likely he was led into it than inquired on his own considering he seems cornered in the bathroom.

The only reason your 10 year old granddaughter knows the difference is because your gay. Not because she has seen it in cartoons, been taught in schools or seen it with other children of her age.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by du Pelican Blanc
reply to post by Helious

 

I agree too!

What bothers me the most is that the video is taken obviously in a bathroom. I don't care if you are gay, I have 2 cousins that are flaming. But, I feel for this little boy being told the facts of life in a bathroom by some "husbands".

The Facts of Life.

That's a reach.

If it wasn't for the "facts of life" you wouldn't be around, would ya?

Originally posted by Helious
The only reason your 10 year old granddaughter knows the difference is because your gay. Not because she has seen it in cartoons, been taught in schools or seen it with other children of her age.

I am not gay.

We are however very open about life - diversity - and accepting people for Who they are on the inside.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Helious
The only reason your 10 year old granddaughter knows the difference is because your gay. Not because she has seen it in cartoons, been taught in schools or seen it with other children of her age.

I am not gay.

We are however very open about life - diversity - and accepting people for Who they are on the inside.

Well, then.... All I can say with honest respect is that we live in America and we all have the right to raise our children as we see fit. I would not want to presume to tell you what, how or in what time frame to teach your children, grandchildren or family what you deem fit.

These things are granted to you as a citizen of the United States of America and I respect that with my whole heart. The only thing I would ask is that you recognize and respect my right as a parent and also a citizen of the United States of America to do the same and we both can agree on freedom and the right to free speech and the right to raise our own children the way we see fit.

Originally posted by Helious
I find this disturbing somehow. Perhaps it is the word married that is used or that the two men identify themselves as both being husbands. I think that is what bothers me.

That is very confusing to a child, much more confusing than it has to be. He is used to husbands and wife's because that is what men and women do, they get married.

Gay couples while I fully support there rights and the right to be joined with all the same laws and privileges that marriage grants two people, it really needs to be called something else. Confusing children is just one of the many problems that is invited when you call it marriage.

edit on 11-7-2011 by Helious because: (no reason given)

What's confusing?

He now knows that men can love each other. Wow. So confused. Doesn't make it any less of a fact. Don't be silly.

That's the same thing as saying a gay couple can't use the word date. That they need to call their "dating" something else too.

You know what IS confusing.... Taking two identical ideologies and giving them different names for no reason just because you say so.

That is confusing.

I think it would be much less confusing to say to a kid "When two people love each other they get married."

Than it is to say "When a man and a women love each other they get married, but when a man and a man or a woman and a woman get married we call it a civil union."

Which has less parts to it? Which is easier to comprehend? Which is the simpler statement?

Come on now... I'm so tired of trying to explain this stupid fallacy to you.

Originally posted by Helious


Well, then.... All I can say with honest respect is that we live in America and we all have the right to raise our children as we see fit. I would not want to presume to tell you what, how or in what time frame to teach your children, grandchildren or family what you deem fit.

These things are granted to you as a citizen of the United States of America and I respect that with my whole heart. The only thing I would ask is that you recognize and respect my right as a parent and also a citizen of the United States of America to do the same and we both can agree on freedom and the right to free speech and the right to raise our own children the way we see fit.

I will respond to that with this. My mom was raised a racist. She raised her children to be open and accepting of all people.

Because - as racism was a part of her generation - - - it did not fit her children's generation.

Originally posted by Laokin

Originally posted by Helious
I find this disturbing somehow. Perhaps it is the word married that is used or that the two men identify themselves as both being husbands. I think that is what bothers me.

That is very confusing to a child, much more confusing than it has to be. He is used to husbands and wife's because that is what men and women do, they get married.

Gay couples while I fully support there rights and the right to be joined with all the same laws and privileges that marriage grants two people, it really needs to be called something else. Confusing children is just one of the many problems that is invited when you call it marriage.

edit on 11-7-2011 by Helious because: (no reason given)

What's confusing?

He now knows that men can love each other. Wow. So confused. Doesn't make it any less of a fact. Don't be silly.

That's the same thing as saying a gay couple can't use the word date. That they need to call their "dating" something else too.

You know what IS confusing.... Taking two identical ideologies and giving them different names for no reason just because you say so.

That is confusing.

I think it would be much less confusing to say to a kid "When two people love each other they get married."

Than it is to say "When a man and a women love each other they get married, but when a man and a man or a woman and a woman get married we call it a civil union."

Which has less parts to it? Which is easier to comprehend? Which is the simpler statement?

Come on now... I'm so tired of trying to explain this stupid fallacy to you.

edit on 11-7-2011 by Laokin because: (no reason given)

You know what I am sick of? Do you? Trying to explain to you why your sexual preference has no place in my child's life. You are free to do what you would like as an adult and as a citizen of this country. I applaud you for being yourself and doing what what makes you happy, I appreciate that in this day and age.

That being said, and there is a solid and marked period on that sentence, make no mistake, I will NOT make my children available to such ideas that what you choose sexually is the status quo and there is no reason to think that it is different from anything else. I will not brainwash my children into thinking this is somehow normal because it is not. I am very sorry if this does not fit with your definition of equality but facts are facts.

If one of my sons was to grow up and end up gay, I would love him no less, I would not disown him and I would love him just as much as I did from the day he was born. That being said, I will not subject him, in school, at home or anywhere else to the agenda of a group who engages everyday in propaganda to try to change laws, manipulate perception and expose children to a sexual preference that is NOT in line with what nature intended.

I refuse to educate my children about men who like to sleep with other men or women who like to sleep with other women. THEY ARE CHILDREN, something you have zero say in because by definition you will NOT have so stop saying what we can and can not teach our children because by the "Charter" you won't have them so you have no say.

I'm getting angry about this because I have endured possibly one too many ignorant posts, if you want to discuss this any further with me, please give me one reason why my children should be subjected to your ideals of morality when you yourselves reject children all together.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Helious


Well, then.... All I can say with honest respect is that we live in America and we all have the right to raise our children as we see fit. I would not want to presume to tell you what, how or in what time frame to teach your children, grandchildren or family what you deem fit.

These things are granted to you as a citizen of the United States of America and I respect that with my whole heart. The only thing I would ask is that you recognize and respect my right as a parent and also a citizen of the United States of America to do the same and we both can agree on freedom and the right to free speech and the right to raise our own children the way we see fit.

I will respond to that with this. My mom was raised a racist. She raised her children to be open and accepting of all people.

Because - as racism was a part of her generation - - - it did not fit her children's generation.

My family are all devout baptists and I refuse to have anything to do with any of them, in fact, I have not spoken to my father in over ten years and my mother in over six. I have taken nothing away from what I was "taught" and only live my life based on the man I am and my own personal experience in life, I have zero pre conceived ideals or expectations and live my life trying to be the opposite of my screwed up family.