UK Gets First "Sharia Controlled Zone".

Originally posted by iBleedSovietR3D
reply to post by Griffo

 

You say this now and laugh about it, but theres 1.6 Billion muslims on this planet. Just wait until the full jihad begins, if it hasn't already. All I have to say is the west needs to seriously prepare. In the UK, id say you better start harboring some good rifles. With all your ridiculous anti gun laws, just wait until all the muslims in the UK start getting shipped fully automatic weapons from their brethren in the middle east. I said it once, ill say it again. Were entering a full on holy war. The most bloody wars are wars where one side thinks their god has commanded them to kill.

We don't need to ship guns, we have factories. If the scenario you hypothesized ever happened there would be 100 million guns on the streets of Britain in a matter of days/weeks.

reply to post by ALOSTSOUL


I don't agree with some of this but you gotta admit that drugs & alcahol have caused many problems for people although i still like a can or 2 during the week so i wouldn't want a complete ban of alcahol!! Maybe just a limit put on how much alcahol one can buy at any one time to stop people becoming dependent on it... i dunno.

As for Porn well it is needed for most people i'd say.... especially those who are single!

Prostitution .... i'd say as long as the women aren't forced into it, it's ok if they want to live their lives like this... i've spoken to some and they say 'well, i don't want to work minimum wage or be sat n an office all day' .... so i guess its upto them....

Originally posted by BattleFieldPredator

Originally posted by NadaCambia

Originally posted by xavi1000
These guys don't like stickers saying “no gambling”, “no music or concerts”, “no porn or prostitution” and “no drugs or smoking”.

Hooligans are the biggest myth in the world. The sooner people realise 90% of these blokes are unwilling to fight without liters of beer in their system, the better.

Put most these blokes in an American ghetto and they'd run for the hills. They run from each other, for christs sake

Explain that nonesense to my guys

We fight everyday without booze or food on occassion

And yes we kill

This is not some dumb american ghetto

But our green and pleasant land

The englishmans version of a bad trip at the mo

But ours

Don't get in our way when we take it back

You and your lads are football hooligans? Jeeze, you sound nicer by the second!

I'm not 13 years old, killing people doesn't impress me. Fighting people doesn't impress me. You sound like a horrible group of people, to be honest with you.

Originally posted by NadaCambia

Originally posted by BattleFieldPredator

Originally posted by TattooedWarrior

Originally posted by OwenGP185
You put you're beer down because they told you to?


This is not something common in the UK before people start assuming because the OP let them walk over him that others do so in this country. The area is not controlled, they are putting out leaflets? If it is made out to sound like a "controlled area" I guess the OP will save some pride but in reality all I see in the OP is people handing out leaflets and a story of a beer he threw away because he was told to. No offence.

edit on 10-7-2011 by OwenGP185 because: (no reason given)

Too right its not common in the U.K. for us born and bred here to be walked over.
For 5 years I lived next to the largest Mosque in the U.K and I was approached many times and 'told' to put out my cigarette or stop drinking my beer, by one group in particular.
Strangly after head butting the big mouthed idiot who always started the trouble the rest of the cowardly group ran off.
I am all for individual rights when it comes to religion etc, but if you try and force your IMO medievil and backward Sharia laws on me with threats of violence then be prepared to fight. TW

Lol

Been there myself in London, on a freedom of the city march with my unit.

After the march a few morons started to give me and my lads abuse.

They are now missing teeth and a few more brothers in afghanistan.

Stuff like that sticks in our minds and when we get deployed their brothers pay the price for them

To be honest i am sure that the government send us thousands of milles away on purpose

Because i can assure you that we KNOW what is going on and the talk of getting rid comes up quite often

Government take note!

edit on 10-7-2011 by BattleFieldPredator because: (no reason given)

Your and your lads sound like a nice lot.

Thanks

They are awesome

They do feats of human endurance every day that make your manhood obsolete

Seriously

These assholes days are numbered

We do not forgive, we do not forget!

The British Army

Anomynous is with us too x

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No EDL are not football hooligans; they are wannabe football hooligans.
Two completely different things I assure you.
Any arsehole can wear snide Stone Island, sing crap songs and hide behind the OB.

I think the UK is simmering. It will take just 1 spark, 1 single day and the hatred will come out on both sides. Racism is and isn't alive here.
It's talked about amongst peers but only occasionally acted upon.
Since the 60's when immigration opened up and a call to work and live in our country became a non stop flow for over 50 years, and the tide just kept coming. As a land of free money and benefits and health care, who could resist. I have seen my city, then my town, then my street overwhelmed with a race/religion that has no concept of the laws or culture or language of my historic land.
I have now moved out from the city to a little outpost and I now see the very thing I moved away from beginning to be taken over too.
I don't agree with their religion, law or biblical way of life. But I'm forced everyday to accommodate them unless I offend. That includes in my workplace, on the streets and with my taxes.
I was told once by a Muslim that they, by the will of Allah, will make every continent in the world Muslim.
I reckon they will do it too.

And am I supposed to be physically scared or in awe of soldiers? Because most soldiers I know are skag-head chavs who dropped out of school, spent a few years on the dole and then wanted to go to the Middle East to shoot "rag-heads". Unless we're talking special units I'm not too intimidated by your lads in general, to be frank.

hi
this thread is going in circles
i think il play greensleeves
and think of the england i once knew
goodbye my love

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Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by NadaCambia

 

No EDL are not football hooligans; they are wannabe football hooligans.
Two completely diffrent things I assure you.
Any arsehole can wear snide Stone Island, sing crap songs and hide behind the OB.

But the EDL has actual football hooligan members, and many of them. The examples I gave you for example I know to be absolutely true. The hooligan groups and EDL members for the respective areas are close to being one in the same.

Burnley EDL is full of SS members. I mean it's hard to prove because proving in itself that someone is a football hooligan is hard, but it's true. Growing up in a pub I know exactly what goes on in the area and Burnley EDL is the Suicide Squad, Burnley Youth and a few random chavs.

I know there's a few ATS members from the general area and I'm sure they can confirm.

Originally posted by NadaCambia
And am I supposed to be physically scared or in awe of soldiers? Because most soldiers I know are skag-head chavs who dropped out of school, spent a few years on the dole and then wanted to go to the Middle East to shoot "rag-heads". Unless we're talking special units I'm not too intimidated by your lads in general, to be frank.

Wow

Im sorry that guys who gave their all. Seen stuff and.came home shaking is too much for you.


What do you wan't exactly?

People destroyed for you coz you are a girl or those you harbour resentment at for being the man you aint?

Lol

Take your face for a crap x

All you gotta do is set up flash-mob protests in each of these Sharia zones where you get a large group of people to gather in each zone and intentionally break every single rule for an hour or two. F**k em... and their law...

Originally posted by BattleFieldPredator

Originally posted by NadaCambia
And am I supposed to be physically scared or in awe of soldiers? Because most soldiers I know are skag-head chavs who dropped out of school, spent a few years on the dole and then wanted to go to the Middle East to shoot "rag-heads". Unless we're talking special units I'm not too intimidated by your lads in general, to be frank.

Wow

Im sorry that guys who gave their all. Seen stuff and.came home shaking is too much for you.


What do you wan't exactly?

People destroyed for you coz you are a girl or those you harbour resentment at for being the man you aint?

Lol

Take your face for a crap x

edit on 10-7-2011 by BattleFieldPredator because: (no reason given)

But the majority of Britain is against the war. So your lads aren't being destroyed for me, or us; they're being destroyed for the government. Contradicting your earlier bravado and making you look like a bit of a tit.

And real men don't need to kill people to prove themselves. They also don't need to run around internet forums talking up how tough they are. The irony is from your earlier posts you're probably the first to rubbish America and goad Yanks for running around with guns, but you think you're tough for running around with guns.

You seriously think I'm going to sit here impressed and marvel at what you do and how tough you think you are?

Is this what I paid for, you and your lads to troll internet forums? Go beat your chest somewhere else, big man.

this is no bs!
this is a real threat! not only to you guys in the uk! just take a look at france. there are no go areas for non-muslims. politicians here in germany who speak the truth about muslims loose their jobs and are called racists by the media for stating facts like criminal statistics, school statistics and social wellfare statistics. if you talk about the issues we have with muslims you become a person non grata.
netherland is fighting back with geerd wilders. in the uk you at least have the edl. yes they are thugs and hooligans. but at least they are fighting back. in germany we don't have a politician like wilders or groups like the edl. one mosque after the other is getting build sponsered by saudi arabia and our tax money.

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There maybe some 'real' hooligans who were active back in the day but the majority are wannabe's and hanger's on.
The 'youth' mobs of today are a pale imitation of yesteryear and the vast majority of those of note from back in the day who got involved with EDL have become quite disillusioned with the posturing and behaviour of these wannabe's and never were's.
That was then and people move on as does time.
Them days will never come back.

No-one enjoys a drink and a laugh as much as I do and I have genuine fears about the activities of Muslim extremists and encroaching Islamification in this country, but getting wankered, singing crap football songs and generally acting like a yobbo, (something no self-respecting hooligan would ever have done back in the day) will achieve nothing.
Yes, there is a need to actively stand up to MAC, UAF blah, blah, blah....but acting like a drunken, moronic idiot isn't the way.

Sorry if I'm not explaining myself very well, it hasn't been a good weekend at all.

Originally posted by nato28
this is no bs!
this is a real threat! not only to you guys in the uk! just take a look at france. there are no go areas for non-muslims. politicians here in germany who speak the truth about muslims loose their jobs and are called racists by the media for stating facts like criminal statistics, school statistics and social wellfare statistics. if you talk about the issues we have with muslims you become a person non grata.
netherland is fighting back with geerd wilders. in the uk you at least have the edl. yes they are thugs and hooligans. but at least they are fighting back. in germany we don't have a politician like wilders or groups like the edl. one mosque after the other is getting build sponsered by saudi arabia and our tax money.

Maybe because they are racists? Criminal statistics, school statistics and social welfare statistics tell you nothing about a group of people, other than they're marred by poverty.

Using the same standards you could campaign for white working class Britons to be kicked from the country because they have high rates of crime, poor schooling and are more likely to be on welfare.

Should we kick everyone out, leaving just the white middle class?

I find it confusing that some suggest that (a) if it is allegedly 'just a bunch of hooligans' it isn't real and doesn't matter, or (b) that people should be willing to get beat up, potentially wounded or killed over something trivial which is legal but the alleged hoods have an issue with.

Legally, there have been decades of organized and seemingly intentional events designed to create 'precedent' in the courts if possible, for the sake of the future, at least in the states, by special interest groups particularly this one. Given this history I think it would be unusually (if not intentionally) naive to suggest that 'seemingly independent' behavior might not be intentionally designed, at a privately larger level, to effect change in more formal ways later down the road.

In terms of neighborhoods, no matter how 'unofficial' such regions might begin, the very fact that anybody thinks they exist could serve as 'leverage for their existence allegedly being precedent in the community' in the future, should the attempt to establish this officially come up.

Practically, it is hardly relevant whether a group(s) of people behaving in an organized manner like that are 'official'. The fact that they might not be 'officially' endorsed or have a tax ID# is not going to keep them from harassing if not assaulting individuals, and it's not going to keep that area from becoming more extreme in this regard all the time.

For those who are sure "informal hooligans acting in organized fashion" is trivial, or merely some armchair hate topic, there are plenty of areas in urban cities including Los Angeles where I used to live where if you walk into an area wearing a red bandanna headband for example you're lucky not to have a bullet in your head by the time you reach the other side of that neighborhood. This stuff isn't just stories or play, it's not intellectual topics for the internet, gang behavior whether it is muslim or just ghetto is gang behavior. The UK has fewer guns but that merely makes a little more effort required to harm someone, which in many cases such people desire anyway.

Those who suggest calling the police must live in a different world than I do. I have a very positive respect for most law enforcement officers but their job is not to prevent every possible crime, it is to enforce a state of peace and investigate existing or previous crimes against that peace, which means they are not going to babysit anybody through their walks through any neighborhood, since a) there aren't enough of them to do so and b) no crime has occurred yet at that time, no matter how many might have, no matter how likely it is that it could happen again.

(Aside: This topic reminds me that in the states there was an issue some years back where the taxi drivers serving the airport, if they saw someone with alcohol in their cab (even unopened such as a bottle of wine, I heard, I do not recall all the specific facts here), as a group began acting against them for violating sharia law: they would literally just stop and throw the person out, leaving them in the middle of who knows where (potentially very dangerous in New York) with their luggage on the side of the road.)


It helps to recognize history, since few human experiences outside the internet and stem cell research are truly unique to our era. There were "informal unofficial allegedly just some random groups of hoods" operating in an organized fashion in this country in the late 1800s, some not all of whom were part of what became an organization that still exists, the Ku Klux Klan. A little history for you, Ida B. Wells-Barnett (a white woman) was a newspaper reporter who campaigned extensively against the behavior--and the bogus logics provided as rationalization which often allowed it--until she had to move from the South for her safety, but thanks mostly to her efforts, eventually laws were passed prohibiting a variety of 'social elements' which by then were well known to intentionally provide the environment for the assault/murder of people who were black.

One has to look not just at the end result but at the "cumulative" effect such behaviors have on communities, on youth, etc. Unfortunately, in any group of humans with decent nutrition and not too much media brainwashing, it would also eventually cause a backlash, which becomes organized, and then you have gang wars and turf territories and it just gets worse. The larger issue is not about Islam it is about the willingness of any country to allow immigrants to change from positive contributions who integrate into society, vs. 'cells' which grow, will not integrate, and then attempt to subvert the rest of society instead. If this were biology instead of sociology, I think you could see the analogy pretty clearly.


It's unfortunate enough to think that a person could be assaulted for carrying a beverage, but this also implies that women could be assaulted for not wearing a veil, or two people assaulted because a man was walking with a woman. People (including on this thread) can make it sound as if there is some kind of higher moral culture involved with prohibiting the issues listed such as drinking/smoking/gambling, but first off, the part about men and women is a bit outside the drinking/smoking/gambling category for the rest of the world.

And secondly -- most importantly -- you have to look at the whole reasoning here. If this is all because of Sharia law, then don't think, if such neighborhood 'unofficial areas' become more established, that the list of crimes a person can be assaulted for is going to be limited to that list. If it were truly Sharia law, there are quite a few other elements that would be involved and several more that could be.

RC

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This thread is ridiculous and the fact that anyone thinks this is "real" or somehow official or legal.... and worth making a thread about, just shows how stupid, gullible and fearful many people are.

Oh no it isn't!

It doesn't have to be "official" or "legal"......but it is "real"
And people in the UK should be fearful, because this is the future.

We in the UK have not lost our heritage......................we gave it away in a hand cart!

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by NadaCambia

 

There maybe some 'real' hooligans who were active back in the day but the majority are wannabe's and hanger's on.
The 'youth' mobs of today are a pale imitation of yesteryear and the vast majority of those of note from back in the day who got involved with EDL have become quite disillusioned with the posturing and behaviour of these wannabe's and never were's.
That was then and people move on as does time.
Them days will never come back.

No-one enjoys a drink and a laugh as much as I do and I have genuine fears about the activities of Muslim extremists and encroaching Islamification in this country, but getting wankered, singing crap football songs and generally acting like a yobbo, (something no self-respecting hooligan would ever have done back in the day) will achieve nothing.
Yes, there is a need to actively stand up to MAC, UAF blah, blah, blah....but acting like a drunken, moronic idiot isn't the way.

Sorry if I'm not explaining myself very well, it hasn't been a good weekend at all.

Well I'll concede that. Football firms today are as you say a shadow of their former selves, but current football firm members, especially in the North West(I say especially as I can only really speak on it) have 'inflitrated' the EDL.

The Youth firms are crap though. In fact they're all pretty wet these days. They even beat up their own club fans now a days(whether that happened in the good old days I don't know). I remember getting robbed by Andrew Porter's(head of the Suicide Squad) son and his mates(who now compromise the Youth Squad), back when I was 17 at turf moor, in one of the toilets, because I wouldn't "lend" him a cigarette... What he wasn't aware of was the fact I'd travelled down with a good 50 people, about 10 of which were in the cubicles rolling illegal substances. He was given a decent sized kick in and broke down in tears, he's still missing teeth all these years later.

Half the lads in the Youth Squad I know from school and I don't rate many of them.

So they're not very good hooligans. Maybe a loutish element is involved in the EDL, that would be a more apt description. The type of people i'd consider the underclass of white Britain

My honest advice is to get out of Old Hampshire and come to New Hampshire. You might know us as the U.S. state with no sales or income taxes, and the 49th or 50th lowest total tax burden. We're also leading the nation in alcohol consumption per capita, probably because you save lots of dough if you buy your booze here and take it back to your home state. Vermont next door is raising their cigarette taxes 60 cents, New Hampshire is lowering ours by 10 cents or so.

Guess what else? In New Hampshire, you can walk down the street with an assault rifle on your shoulder and a pistol on your hip. If you happen to walk through a muslim-majority community (not likely) smoking a cigarette whilst carrying a bag full of beer and "Oiled Up Muslim Chicks" porn, I'm sure that the courts will agree with you that you shot a few members of the accosting mob right between the eyes in self defense.

I've traveled extensively throughout southern England and I found the land and features pretty, but I honestly can't tolerate a land ruled by a monarchy. I think you've sent your inbred detritus William and his flight attendant brood wife to tour California at the moment. I hope they get jacked by Los Angeles mexican drug gangs while they're here.

Honestly, what's the difference between Queen Elizabeth and Kim Jong Il at this point? You want the muslims gone, march on Buckingham palace with your pitchforks and hang that German inbred piece of detritus from the tallest tree in the park across the street. Then you can walk around and slit the throats of the muslims with impunity.

Or don't, hell I don't care. I'm American and I could give a # less about your third rate island nation that's already so weak it gets challenged on the high seas by sixth-rate nations (Argentina)

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by ALOSTSOUL

 

Relying on the government is never a good thing. If it's up to the people, then good luck!

I agree with you.
Yet, in another thread, you were just nay-saying the efforts of the people via the group called Anonymous. Which is it man, the people or the government?