BBC Reports:Australia plans to impose carbon tax on worst polluters

It's just another way of saying if you want to stay alive you now have to pay for the air you breathe.

In the mean time.....our water will become even more poisonous (see www.firewater.com.au) and our air even more polluted. To buy solar panels here is the most expensive on the face of the planet; while they claim this new tax is good for the environment.

The whole thing is the biggest scam any Govt in power has introduced yet. It's all about $$$ and no sense.

JuLIAR Gillard......you and your ilk are so gone in the next elections and you'll go down with all the independants tagging along with you! And to piss you off even more, we will see to it that the ALP never hold the reins for the next 10 years.

It probably could work, the idea of a carbon tax... but Julia is not convincing... not in the slightest.
Every sentence in her speech was flawless, carefully worded; it would have been composed by teams of people.. Her sitting there saying it as if it’s her thoughts, it’s false, yet that’s the angle the teams are hoping to get across.

But keep in mind that Costello needs to say more than just ‘‘it’s bad, cost of things will go up''.... even a 3yr old could come to that possible conclusion.. We need something meaty, something we can all see, understand and agree with in our own minds.

The two of them are trying to tell us their versions of the truth are real, trying to get us to trust them. But they are both as soppy and over done as each other..

Our governments almost like a soap opera.

Here's an idea.

Why don’t we manufacture The largest solar panel array known to man.
Something that could be seen, and perhaps 'used' in space?
We could employee and hand over all operations to the aboriginal people, allow them to build on something important to the dreaming..
We've got bucket loads of smart people, money and scientific ability... lets become the world leader in solar radiation energy.

I hate this lying bitch of a PM,she's a puppet for the greens party wankers who are holding this country to ransom because her minority government needed their support to win power ,Australia is going to the dogs big time

Prime Minister Julia Gillard has said there will not be a tax on carbon while she leads the federal government. Deputy Prime Minister Wayne Swan last week said if Labor won the August 21 poll, there would not be a carbon tax during its next three years in power. Ms Gillard seemed to go a step further on Monday. "There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead," she told Network Ten.

reply to post by Travlla


We have a British born PM with a nose longer then Pinocchio shacking up with a hairdresser like the common peasant she is and is held to ransom by an independant homosexual fairy who promises to make her a real woman and Prime Minister!

Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
Here are the facts:

* Humans are destroying the environment is many, many disturbing and devastating ways.

(Mostly)Due to genetic modification and Bioengineering.

* The Australian carbon tax does very little to nothing to slow down carbon pollution.

I agree that carbon taxing does nothing to benefit the pollution. But you're implying that carbon pollution does exist.

reply to post by Travlla


Welcome to The New World Order ...

I agree with everyone who is against this. Worst idea ever.

I can see this leading to a "carbon credits" kind of system where you have to earn the right to exist. e.g. You want to build a house? Ok your house is having an effect on the environment equal to 100,000 carbon credits. So now you have to work to pay it off over the next 40 years.

This combined with no doubt filtering the National Broadband Network makes me sad.

To all who think the liberals will remove this carbon tax when they get in don't believe it.

Remember when the gst (get stuffed tax) came in & labour vowed they would fight it, when they got in at last, they refused to remove the tax because they then were using the extra tax money to fund their grubby little ego trips.

reply to post by acrux


It can be rolled back by referendum of the people; knowing the Liberals they would had increased the GST to 12.5%.

Personally I think all taxes except one should be abolished; create a debit tax system or just 15% GST and abolish all other taxes.

reply to post by Agit8dChop


Q and A tomorrow night will be interesting.

She's gonna get some tough questions with no time to prepare.

until china and india are on board, any localized carbon tax is kinda silly. This planet needs a universal accord or agreement from all industrial nations to save mother earth

anyone who thinks this is a jewish banker plot or scientific conspiracy can kiss my tin foil covered butt

if we don't do something bold, we will be witnesses to the most devastating climate shift in human history

reply to post by bluemirage5


If industry embrace it, and face it, the incentives are there for them to, Abott will be hard pressed to reverse it without wasting more money.

A question... have you spent time to go over the whole thing yet? It's not even been released a full day yet, how can you dismiss it without knowing anything about it?

Seems many have been caught up in Abotts fear campaign.

reply to post by Revelation11

And THAT is exactly how it should be.

What warped mind thinks that corporations actually have anything remotely approaching our best interests in mind???

reply to post by Chadwickus


All I know are GiLAIR's scientific explainations are flawed to the bone. It's a matter of which scientific research papers you want to believe.

All is it is another scam to suck more money out of us. I don't care what John Abbott has to say, I'm not a great fan of his either.

Doing away with the Australian Taxation Office and just keeping a flat rate GST or debit tax would be far more inclined to be accepted here among the tax payers.

Like GST, this is just another tax we will have no choice but get used to but mark my words we are going to be alot more clever voters as election year rolls around from here on in. I wonder how many homes are going to start destroying their smart meters and changing their shopping habits.....you watch and see in the coming years how the "resistance" fights back. There are going to be loss of jobs, no doubts about it....the same way when GST was first introduced.

reply to post by bluemirage5


Raising the tax free threshold isn't scamming money from us, is it?

Look, I'm not a fan of it either but I'm not going to immediately dismiss it without understanding it properly first.

Originally posted by Janky Red
What's wrong with pollution anyways???
There is nothing to be done really, stop punishing
Polluters for being successful!
Clearly big business owners have conspired to
Increase their costs by devising this scheme.
You cannot stop pollution.

This is a sad day for the world

edit on 10-7-2011 by Janky Red because: (no reason given)

Wow, what an ignorant view of the world!!

I know some people who disagree with your views:



Pollution concerns all of us. Look up the rates of cancer increasing, with many studies claiming pollutants being the cause. The cases of astma are on the rise as well.

To say we shouldn't act is beyond lunacy!!

Now, the real question is, does the tax help? Well, if it forces companies to come up with new innovative ideas to cut down on harmful emissions, YES. Another positive outcome would be to use that money to make up for all or at least some of the harm caused. Find new and innovative ways to offset the emissions somehow.

The disappointing outcome would be, if all that money raised by taxes would be used for something completely non-related, like defence expenditures, or building roads.

I haven't read up on that tax enough to know what they're going to do with the money, and if it's being used to offset pollution, or just as a deterrent.

reply to post by Chadwickus


I'm only dismissing it based upon her flawd science to be a dud and a hoax.

I'm not forcing anyone else to believe what I do, you have to make your own conclusions......but please base it on scientific fact.....not the tax itself.

reply to post by MrXYZ


Nice video but you are going to be alot more outraged when you watch this; "Dammed" by 60 Mins Australia and the video is available on the website tomorrow:

sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au...

Cancer is decreasing in the USA however in the next couple of years it's going to skyrocket right out of control. Why? 103 nuclear power plants (with too many leakages while some never go reported) , radiation blooms over the USA from Japan, continous nuclear experiments in Nevada, don't even get me started on Russian nuclear power plants, non-leaded petrol, uranium mines sending dust clouds nationwide (Australia), toxic pesticides (thanks Monsanto!!!).....the list just keeps going on and on.......

Have you ever watched Firewater? www.firewater.com.au

Do you really in all honesty think these companies and corporations are going to clean up their toxic mess and harmful emissions? I don't.

We are the highest taxed nation on the face of the planet. JuLIAR can't be trusted with this money and everyone knows it.

This whole carbon tax/ETS/global warming is a joke.

Its falling to bits around them,its takes effort to support a lie,you dont have to when something is the truth.

She wont be elected,her and her party are goners.

Cheers

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by Janky Red
What's wrong with pollution anyways???
There is nothing to be done really, stop punishing
Polluters for being successful!
Clearly big business owners have conspired to
Increase their costs by devising this scheme.
You cannot stop pollution.

This is a sad day for the world

edit on 10-7-2011 by Janky Red because: (no reason given)

Wow, what an ignorant view of the world!!

I know some people who disagree with your views:

Pollution concerns all of us. Look up the rates of cancer increasing, with many studies claiming pollutants being the cause. The cases of astma are on the rise as well.

To say we shouldn't act is beyond lunacy!!

Now, the real question is, does the tax help? Well, if it forces companies to come up with new innovative ideas to cut down on harmful emissions, YES. Another positive outcome would be to use that money to make up for all or at least some of the harm caused. Find new and innovative ways to offset the emissions somehow.

The disappointing outcome would be, if all that money raised by taxes would be used for something completely non-related, like defence expenditures, or building roads.

I haven't read up on that tax enough to know what they're going to do with the money, and if it's being used to offset pollution, or just as a deterrent.

edit on 10-7-2011 by MrXYZ because: (no reason given)

Clean air is dangerous to people's health because it makes people weak.
It is like food, feeding people who hungry and lazy makes them full which
Makes them sleepy and lazy. That makes them more lazy and more hungry
Same rule applied to pollution, if you are not getting enough you get sick when
You are introduced to it.