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A WARNING from Inuit People: Sun Wrong, Stars Wrong, Earth Tilting On Axis!

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posted on Jul, 10 2011 @ 10:25 AM
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“We had a litany of scientists come back to us, responding after seeing this news, saying, ‘This was great to be speaking to indigenous people about their views, but if you continue to perpetuate this fallacy that the Earth had tilted on its axis, [the Inuit] .... would lose all credibility.



The scientific explanation is that the warming Arctic air is causing temperature inversions, which in turn cause the light of the sunset to refract so that the sun appears to be setting a few kilometres off-kilter. “There is so much garbage in the air, it’s refraction that’s causing our elders to think our world has tilted,” Kunuk says.


www.theglobeandmail.com...
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posted on Jul, 10 2011 @ 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by solsticks
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I am the least racist person I know. I live off of the land and the seasons as well. Stop judging people. And, I don't need to go back to school, what a stupid statement! I'm a college grad who farms full time. I know more about seasons and changes than you could imagine.
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I had no idea being a farmer means one cant be racist.

Conversely, attempting to endow magical intuitive knowledge' to a handful of elders because of their race is, well, racist.

Since you are a full time who 'knows more about seasons and changes than (I) could imagine", have you noticed the sun setting in a different pace over the past ten years? Beyond the suns normal drift north and sotuh, of course.



posted on Jul, 10 2011 @ 10:37 AM
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It is perfectly reasonable to say they are more intune, i dont see it as racism, more logical. When they rely on their surroundings they will of course be more aware than you're average person. The same goes for people living in deserts, jungles etc. It is nothing to do with race but the enviroment they were born in, these people can also cope better with lower temperatures, is that racist? Again that doesnt mean every person of that race.

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posted on Jul, 10 2011 @ 10:41 AM
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yes, and I would agree with you if this assessment of 'magical powers' was being based solely on their environs, but if you read the post that started this series of responses, you will see the person making the claims based on their race, not their surroundings.

Claiming one race has access to special, intuitive knowledge that the rest of the world doesnt have access to is racist. No different than those hollywood movies that attempt to impart magical wisdom to native Americans. Go ahead and ask an actual native how they feel about that sort of portrayal.




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posted on Jul, 10 2011 @ 12:44 PM
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There is a nasty troll on this thread , just ignore it



posted on Jul, 10 2011 @ 04:43 PM
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well maybe then you should realize there have been SEVERAL huge earthquakes in the past five years that have shifted earths axis and yes its a small amount each time- the sheer number of large quakes however quickly adds up. I simply stated the japanese earthquake because its been frequently talked about and most people could grasp the concept. You have no idea how much research I have done at my university, i've dedicated several years of my life to it. But alas, its you who didn't do their research on me as im fairly well known at UCLA. Your last post did provide some good information, those were very well fitting quotes. Although is it just me or does everyone else on this thread notice that you are on some sort of "mission from god" to prove everybody else's responses wrong?
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posted on Jul, 10 2011 @ 05:21 PM
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You have misinterpreted the effects of the earthquakes. They did not cause a change in obliquity, they caused a (theoretical, not measured) change in the "figure axis". The result of these changes does not cause a change in the sky, it causes a very, very slight change in the rate of precession. The effects, if measurable at all, would not become apparent except over a period of many, many years.

"The position of Earth's figure axis also changes all the time, by about 3.3 feet over the course of a year, or about six times more than the change that should have been caused by the Japan quake."

content.usatoday.com...


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posted on Jul, 10 2011 @ 05:57 PM
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actually phage you misinterpreted my point as it had nothing to do with day length although it was shortened (slightly) by the quake. I also don't think you have any idea what figure axis means, as a change in the figure axis would cause a change in the way the sun is perceived since it changes the way the earth wobbles. No the change in the axis was not theoretical, it changed by 6.5 inches. I only assumed that since Inuits are a primitive living peoples that they would notice even minute changes of the suns position, although I didn't watch the video. Yet again another who seems to only want to prove posters wrong without adding anything of their own to the thread. It seems all the posts of yours I see include some sort of internet source thats looked up previous instead of personal knowledge. Yes im fully aware of the fact changes of this sort occur all the time.
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posted on Jul, 10 2011 @ 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by iBleedSovietR3D I only assumed that since Inuits are a primitive living peoples that they would notice even minute changes of the suns position, although I didn't watch the video.


Go take a back-of-the-envelope calculation on how much a 25cm shift in even the rotation axis is, in terms of displacement. What's the percentage change? Do you have an order-of-magnitude in mind? It's like 10E-6 of a degree. They're talking about hours of difference in time and multiple degrees of change. Not microseconds.



posted on Jul, 10 2011 @ 07:38 PM
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First off, I'll have to admit I haven't read the entire thread yet and this post isn't a directed at anyone in particular but I sense a scientific arguement brewing and scuffawing of inherent natural intuitiveness. Great post OP yet I sense there will be doubters from people who will scream proof from astonomers or literary journals. I will not hold my breath waiting for such 'proof', as those who are in tune with their natural suroundings and depend upon thier observations and environmental awareness for survival will attest. (sidenote; Why does plant "A" that recieves the same amount of light/water/nutrients etc. as plant "B" yet recieves little in human interaction and attention grow to be the less impressive plant as the one that a person will talk to? Or be exposed to certain music? Biologists??...)

I live at a latitude further north than most readers here and have noticed that the sun is setting further north than it has at any time in my life. The sun is higher in the sky, emits a harsher heat, and is whiter and brighter than ever before. Many I talk to have noticed this. I cannot explain the ramifications or causes but can say that it is true through my observations only. 15 years of working outdoors, being up at or before the crack of dawn, and tracking the seasonal weather variations and plant growth as per job requirements. It truly is remarkable that no governmental or academic resaerchers have pointed this out. Surely this HAS been noticed but is not being released for any number of reasons. I would like to know what those reasons are.



posted on Jul, 10 2011 @ 08:38 PM
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I am not saying i disagree with the OP - I am sure that many people are noticing slight changes in where the sun sets/rises compared to ages ago. I think the earth wobble accounts for some of that. I also think, and dont think anyone has been mentioning it, though i didnt get to read through all the replies - the continents themselves are shifting on the earth. It may be that the earth itself is doing nothing new. But Japan itself moved seven feet ( if memory serves) so it stands to reason that as the plates are slowly drifting, the relative sunrise/sunset may appear to be in a different place.

ETA - this may also account for the reasons why some - like the innuit, say they see changes, while others say things are same as always. Maybe it isnt about someone being right and someone being wrong. Maybe it is all relative.
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posted on Jul, 10 2011 @ 08:54 PM
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spot on chrissi- continent shifts and even tide shifts also affect the earths figure axis which is a huge determining factor in Earths wobble. Nice



posted on Jul, 10 2011 @ 09:55 PM
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I like that answer ! A lot !!

Star for you !



posted on Jul, 10 2011 @ 11:08 PM
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Oh, but you are right. Being a farmer actually makes you more PRONE to being a racist, by default. Yes, you know this. However, I am female and I abhor racism. It is not racist to live a certain way. Farmers farm crops in the dirt, we work with the land. Inuit people live in the north, they are socialized a certain way, just as all people who are members of a certain nationality are socialized a certain way (and yes, there are many exceptions). Anyhow...this is nuts. Why am I defending myself? This isn't a thread about racism, and I'm not racist.

No, I didn't notice the sun 10 years ago. I was busy nursing my babies on the couch and cooking dinner for my husband and I didn't have time to be 40+ years old and become aware of who I am as a person and what makes me tick. And, one of the things that makes me tick is an unusual awareness of the angle of the sun.

Why are you so hung up on debunking me? My God! If you had any idea the work I do and the things I've learned on this farm ( I grew up in the suburbs by the way and went to an Ivy League school) you wouldn't waste your time being sarcastic and trying to disprove me or prove me as racist. Stupid. sorry, but just plain stupid. Um, yeah, those Inuit in the YouTube video were busy on their iPads and were getting ready to go out for some great Italian food at the local bistro...pfffffft. give me a break. Farmers generally farm, Inuit live in the north, white collar workers commute...there is nothing RACIST about those statements. They are COMMON SENSE statements.



posted on Jul, 10 2011 @ 11:10 PM
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I disagree. I think the word RACIST is being used wayyyyyyy too freely as a blanket term. I come from a long line of Hungarian women who are naturally intuitive. Is it genetic? Maybe. Is it racist. No, that is just silly. People have gone nuts with the term Racist. Calling common sense stuff racist and then...when someone actually does commit a hate crime, or is racist, we all sing hip hop songs to it or look the other way. Man, this planet is in trouble. I tell ya.



posted on Jul, 10 2011 @ 11:12 PM
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thank you for being of sound mind and making a logical comment to back me up (:



posted on Jul, 10 2011 @ 11:46 PM
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*Edit to my original reply. The link that Phage provides gives a very credible answer to my queries. Thanks for the info!
Light refraction and it's qualities can do wonders to alter environmental perception. The fact that they have documented this sunset issue at Resolute Bay is satisfying. I am curious to whether the intensity of light perceived (whiter, brighter, higher) can also be attributed to CO2 or does the diminishing of the ozone layer have any effect on this? Makes me feel better that we aren't crazy in our assertations anyhow. Regardless, the seasons and sun definitely are not what they used to be.



posted on Jul, 11 2011 @ 12:16 AM
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i think the more apt word would be stereotyping, which is not a form of racism really. Racism is an intolerance of other races. Stereotyping is assuming that all people of a certain race/profession/etc have the same charactieristics. Like all itlaians own pizzarias.



posted on Jul, 11 2011 @ 12:50 AM
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A few months ago this happened and the residents in Greenland were in panic mode because the Sun had risen 2 days earlier than it was supposed to.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

So something is possibly happening...

About the Stars and Pole shift, I would not have a clue...



posted on Jul, 11 2011 @ 06:19 AM
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yes, that's a good choice of words: stereotyping. Thanks for adding that. Yes, not all Inuit are earth trekking eskimos with sled dogs eating seals. Of course. Not all farmers sit on ATS typing. (:



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