Warning after warning..I smell propaganda!

I am just wondering if anybody else sees what is happening in the USA. We've become paranoid freaks...quick to accuse people of arabic descent of being terrorists. It is looking more and more like pre-WWII Germany. We had a major event that our government alleges was commited by arab terrorists. Sounds like when the Nazi's burned the Reichstag so they could declare emergency powers. Patriot Act, anyone?

The comparisons between then and now are sickening! Not to mention, frightening. The propaganda...

You can't turn on the news without hearing about terrorists, Bin Laden or 9/11. Keep it fresh on the mind...easier to keep people afraid that way. The invasion of our privacy for "anti-terrorism purposes" and the masses stupidly go along with it because they're so damn afraid of a terrorist who is nothing but smoke and mirrors. The real terrorist are the people who we "elected" -- the people who kiss babies and talk about good wholesome values. The terrorist alert...RIGHT. We hear of all these warnings and all these threats...so where the hell are they? If they're so big and bad, WHERE ARE THEY!?

Terrorists want people to know what they did. Our government is no exception.

How did we let ourselves get to this place?

I agree with you in principal. However, the government is in a no win situation. If they don't announce warnings they get hammered, if they warn to much people get complacent. If this is a propaganda ploy by the government, then its pretty much over anyway as people are playing less and less attention to it anyway

It's just too funny...it's such a game! "The terror warning is at orange today" kind of like Smokey The Bear of terror warnings instead of forest fires. "Only you can prevent the US Gov't...er terrorism!"

I�m to young to know the Second World War I�m in my 40ts but my parents told me a lot as did my Grandfather and older friends, and what I see is Nazi Germany happening again, political wise.
Even there name Neo-Con, disturbs me every time I hear or read it I think of Nazi-Conman

"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
-Hermann Goering (1893-1946) Commander-in-Chief of the Luftwaffe, President of the Reichstag, Prime Minister of Prussia and, as Hitler's designated successor, the second man in the Third Reich.


"Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve."
-George Bernard Shaw


"Welcome to Amerika, y'all."
-redalert

No kidding, I wonder what is next for us. Concentration camps? Zyklon-B...perhaps some ovens? Naaa they'll come up with new methods.

Yea--it's really a shame. People are generally less concerned what sort of crap is in the food and water they consume than terrorism in the US. It's a very reasonable concern, but there's not much one can do while they watch the news. Maybe people want something tangible to deal with? Something with a face? I dunno. But as usual... "9/11 changed everything."

Originally posted by FredT
I agree with you in principal. However, the government is in a no win situation. If they don't announce warnings they get hammered, if they warn to much people get complacent. If this is a propaganda ploy by the government, then its pretty much over anyway as people are playing less and less attention to it anyway

I think the gov't is in a WIN WIN situation. Bottomline, whether the threats are real or not, the gov't needs the sheople of America to stay in fear. You can't control happy, content people, but you can control fearful and terrorized people. If they make the warnings and nothing happens, people are still afraid and turn to the gov't for more warnings till something happens. If the terrorist to act again, then that backs up the fears of the people and thus gives the gov't more power than before. Trust me, the gov't doesn't care if we are "safe". In this type of war, there is no such thing as safe. What they care about is if were afraid. Fear = Power.

Now of course, there is no real solution to the problem. There are threats out there that are real. So what can you do...nothing I guess. Just keep letting yourself beleive that the gov't has your best interest in mind when they continue to feed you the terror warnings on a daily basis.

[edit on 12-8-2004 by mpeake]

Exactly. It's like...who watches the watcher?

It's crap...and it doesn't surprise me that people believe the fairytale of '9/11' it's easier to live in denial than reality.

Originally posted by amber83
Exactly. It's like...who watches the watcher?

It's crap...and it doesn't surprise me that people believe the fairytale of '9/11' it's easier to live in denial than reality.

That's what the govt wants you to do, live in a fairy tale. One that has them sitting in the whitehouse, coming up with ways to make your lives safer and better. Sorry, they are sitting there trying to make themselves richer and more powerful. Sad but true.

I'm in the wrong business j/k

Actually, believe it or not, I used to be so pro-Government....until of course I removed the wool from my eyes and saw what was really happening instead of believing a bunch of crap spewing forth from the White House.

Originally posted by amber83
I'm in the wrong business

j/k

Actually, believe it or not, I used to be so pro-Government....until of course I removed the wool from my eyes and saw what was really happening instead of believing a bunch of crap spewing forth from the White House.

what business is that?

what business is that?

I have no clue nor answer to that question mpeake, but I do have a question for you.....
In your previous post, you made a few assertions using the key words: them and they. Can you clarify just who specifically is them and they whom is in the White House?
Are you speaking of who is currently in the White House, he or she who is to come, or those he's of the past?

I'm interested in what many of you say and I agree, somewhat with what some of you are saying, mainly FredT, but to assume that all these threats are propaganda is to say that all those DAILY warnings that take place in a number of other places throughout the world (ie: Israel, etc.) are simply propaganda also?!


seekerof

Originally posted by Seekerof

what business is that?

I have no clue nor answer to that question mpeake, but I do have a question for you.....
In your previous post, you made a few assertions using the key words: them and they. Can you clarify just who specifically is them and they whom is in the White House?
Are you speaking of who is currently in the White House, he or she who is to come, or those he's of the past?

I'm interested in what many of you say and I agree, somewhat with what some of you are saying, mainly FredT, but to assume that all these threats are propaganda is to say that all those DAILY warnings that take place in a number of other places throughout the world (ie: Israel, etc.) are simply propaganda also?!

seekerof

I use them or they as a general term for those who pull the strings of the politicians. Even the president. Mostly the Rich Elite. Of course I have no specific names or else I probably wouldn't be telling you all this. The ones who benefit from control by fear are the ones who are responsible for any and all of the propoganda terror warnings.

Now, I guess I should say, this is all of course my opinion and I have nothing to provide you as far as evidence. And on another note. I also don't think that every threat is false. It's just that IMO they are used to control us whether they are real or not. A threat is still a threat whether we know about it or not. As I said before, there is no such thing as being "safe" in this kind of warfare.

Propaganda is propaganda, no matter where it is. But it seems to me we have a terror alert every other day, and never does it happen. Ever heard the story of the boy who cried wolf? yeah, enough said.

As far as my business comment, it was supposed to be a joke towards the politicians getting richer. If I had a nickel for every time a politician lied, I'd have all the money in the world.

amber83
Thats all well and good and your argument may be as persuasive to you as you so desire it to be, but here's a thought: In all your comments, in all your condemnations, in all your postings, I have yet to see you put forth a solution(s)....got one? Till then, guess what? You'll just have to deal with all those supposed propaganda daily terror alerts won't ya?



seekerof

[edit on 12-8-2004 by Seekerof]

Originally posted by mpeake
I think the gov't is in a WIN WIN situation.

No, it's definately a no win situation.

I would like to ask you and amber what do you think the gov. should do?

If there's a bomb threat to a building, what do they do? They immediately evacuate taking no chances, then they determine whether it was legit or not. The warnings are no different. If the warn and warn and warn and nothing happens, then great. I quess the warnings are to protect the gov. from lawsuits or whatever. Because if they warn and warn and warn and something does happen, they can say We warned you and it was up to you to heed the warnings.

They don't warn and something happens, they get blamed for not warning.
If they warn too much, then we have people threads like this claiming propaganda.
Definately a no win situation.

Amber, why don't you do this. Turn off the news, turn off the computers, and go outside and enjoy the day or read a book. Don't read it don't watch it then you won't have anything to complain about.

I have said this before, but I will say this again. Citizens of this country complain about the propaganda of the government. Using terrorist alerts to help them. However, you complained when they didn't tell us anything, you complained that "THEY KNEW" and you were angry. Now they are telling you and you don't want to hear. So here's my advice. Don't Hear. Don't Listen. Then you will be fine, and you will have nothing to worry about

There are those of us, myself included, that listen to the news, those of us who want to be prepared, those of us who want to be educated on what's going on, who's saying what, and what they are doing. Even if it turns out to be nothing, there is that slightest chance that that report means something and it turns out to be something big. I want to be prepared. Too bad if you don't.

Hope you get lots of points for this topic

I agree with amber83,

Propaganda has been play here, the government knows what its doing, keeping the public on his toes and playing the concern politicians for political gain.

Our so call sources come from a shady source as Pakistan lately, how relievable is this so call sources when the source of the information is not even trustworthy yes terrorist attack has been perpetrated on other countries and did they had "reliable resources" before the attacks? I guess not, because they were able to do their deed.

For some reason the relievable sources and terror alerts all that has given us is making people going from mass hysteria to indifference.

However, our stock markets are reflecting all this cries wolf episodes. Somebody definitely it is making money with all this terror alert propaganda
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Who said I was looking to find a solution? I was simply stating my opinion.
And as far as that goes, there isn't a solution because there's enough people that believe the gov't cares about their well-being and how happy they are. There's enough people willing to hand over their power to governmental hands. You want a solution? Perhaps people ought to realize what is right before their eyes - not just with terrorism - and take proactive steps instead of reactive. There is your solution. If you don't like what I have to say -- don't read it and if you insist upon reading it, don't take it so personal.