Mankind's Lost and Forgotten history. A Perspective

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If the theory holds true then we need to start looking at other locations not just the "Nile, Euphrates, Indus valley or the Yellow river" This scenario could have played out elsewhere. I wonder if some have thought of looking along other ancient "River locations" which are now dead dry river valleys or river valleys that are now submerged? [Besides the already known areas] Or search along present rivers but see if we can spot by Satellite images their ancient river paths/course which have changed directions over the past 30,000 years or so. Maybe along those ancient paths/courses there are settlements now buried still to be discovered?

I agree. I sometimes feel that we could add up all the archaeological digs in our history and it wouldn't make a dent in what is left to be found. Seems everyday there is some new discovery.

Another thing I think about is how human activity has destroyed our past. I wonder how many roads and buildings have buried our past. I recall an uncle of mine in Yucatan Peninsula would tell me tales when he was an engineer building roads. Sometimes they would come across Mayan artifacts and divide up what they found. There was no concern about preserving and investigating the area. It was all about making a road.

But much archaeological heritage has been destroyed by human activity - for example, by modern construction methods in urban development and expansion of the road network, by modern agricultural techniques (in particular deep ploughing or drainage of wetlands), and by mineral extraction.

www.rochdale.gov.uk...

An ancient river bed that has lain unseen for 185,000 years has been uncovered by scientists mapping the parts of the English Channel in the run up to the 2012 Olympics. The groundbreaking discovery was made during a two-year £300,000 project to map 500 square miles of seabed off the Jurassic coast in Dorset. Using new and incredibly accurate mapping techniques, experts traced the river that may have once been used as a watering hole by woolly mammoths that roamed the area.

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Thanks.

I appreciate the links and reply.
Reading it now.

Excellent Post, as per usual.

I was a Tool and Die maker, with Design Engineering degree and Metallurgy minor.

I learned the Tool and Die trade from my Father, who learned from his, and so on for 6 Generations. There were tricks of the trade handed down that were quite ingenious. When you mention guilds and trades that protect their crafts, that is absolutely dead on. One popular modern day guild are stonemasons, which have long colorful history and we can see their craftsmanship in temples, churches, and monuments that are thousands of years old. Their trade craft is still kept as quiet as possible today.

As far as steel, for all we know tempering 600 years ago could have been accomplished in Ox urine, which would affect the molecular structure of steel and result in a superior edge, or tensile strength, or other result we cannot copy today because we just don't have information any longer and are not thinking along lines they did, or use the resources they would have naturally been used to using and readily available.

Humanity has built incredible structures, but over riding thoughts when i see pyramids, sphinx, temples, monuments and other such constructions are engineering, placement, relationship, orientation, and role those constructions played. The location itself must be carefully thought out, overall design and location, then most importantly specifics; materials, engineering and architecture, manufacturing of materials, quarrying, cutting, quality control, transportation, preparation for assembly, assembly, quality control again, inspection, and final approval....and then the logistics of feeding and housing and organization to maintain order and smooth operation of the entire process.
Ive read the reason agriculture exists in its modern form was due to ancient Beer industry in Egypt, created to feed the massive working class to complete Giza plateau, the valley of the Kings, Luxor, and rest of ancient constructions. The daily wage about 3/4 of a gallon of beer, with an abundance of Hops, barley, wheat and other grains required to supply the Beer industry was due to flooding of Nile, this was the perfect location to build.

Fascinating posts Slayer.

There is much stated in your post outright that is germane and thought-provoking but what I find between the lines may be even more so.

"Why do we get dumber?"

Indeed, the Egyptian civilization is a prime example of beginning very advanced and progressing to a state where they could not even speak their old language nor read their hieroglyphs. What mechanisms are at play here? As you postulate it could be that knowledge (and the skills of written language) were held close by the rulers and the priest class who, if wiped out in a revolt, would leave a nation unable to read it's own history, I think this is true. As is the case of cultures being invaded by others who obliterate the old and install the new culture.
Add to these pandemics, natural disasters, occasional asteroid impacts or pole shifts and suddenly the densely inhabited coastal and riverine civilizations are zapped out of existence, destroying the agricultural societies and leaving only the nomads and pastoralists grazing away in the hills.
The pattern seems to be one of high achievement halted by disaster, followed by a slow and fitful ascent back to civilization as we would recognize it today.
They say history repeats itself but this is not quite the case. Perhaps the cycle of boom and bust repeats but each new flower of civilization is self-contrived and unique, built only upon their own imaginations and what tiny bit of history that was bequeathed to them.
We invent ourselves anew each time, only to be undone by our own hand or that of mother nature.
The scary part is that I feel we have arrived at a peak of technology and civilization and some of us may intuitively know that the path ahead is a rocky one indeed, if our collective history has anything to say about it.

Thanks for the kick in the head Slayer,
ATA

reply to post by Asktheanimals


Thanks.

Your contribution is always anticipated. I thought that would shake up things a bit. People can't believe we can lose knowledge or "Get Dumber" but the proof has been staring us in the face for centuries. For the longest time we couldn't read Hieroglyphs, Mayan writing or Sanskrit etc.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
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Thanks.

Your contribution is always anticipated. I thought that would shake up things a bit. People can't believe we can lose knowledge or "Get Dumber" but the proof has been staring us in the face for centuries. For the longest time we couldn't read Hieroglyphs, Mayan writing or Sanskrit etc.

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Talk about lost technologies and use of a written language,
When is the last time any of you talked with or received a message or text message from a teen?
They don,t even teach cursive anymore in the US schools.

Since the invention,or discovery of electricity and the car,how much knowledge has
Been lost due to that?

I think the more advanced a society becomes,the lazier it becomes and knowledge is lost and
Forgotten.

Thanks Slayer. Once again you are keeping me up all night reading and looking. This is so very well researched and presented, once again I am in awe. I'll have some questions when I can make a sensible question. S&F.

Thanks

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They say necessity is the mother of invention.
What happens though when we live in a society where all our basic human needs are met?

We become complacent and lethargic IMO.

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Then SHTF and we start over.
I think through out human exsistence
It's been two steps forwards one step back.

Kinda like a society of farmers and bookkeepers,
And all the farmers get wiped out.

Everyone is looking for Atlantis, whats funny is that most of you are living on it. After the floods the americas became forgotten to the east. All that was left was stories.

Research Native American Lore. The speak of the flood, the ancient world before the flood. North and Sourth America was and is Atlantis. www.ilhawaii.net...

As slayer and I have said in the past. There are modern day natives living around the world that are still in the stone age yet miles away there are techno-cities, space vehicles, and microchips and millions of people connected through micro electro gadgets. I believe that thousands of years ago it was the same but at a much smaller scale with the majority of the peoples living like savages while smaller clusters existed containing master builders, astronomers and keepers of even more ancient histories. I dont believe the ancient alien theory but subscribe more to the idea that there were these small techno groups that awed the ancient natives.

. The mistake me make is we like to think of an advanced society would have to mimic our own to be advanced when in fact it seems that the ancient world had different techno ages, this one being a oil, plastic, electric age the previous could of been acoustic, Sonic, hydraulic, mental, or spiritual. We just dont know but looking at what we built 3000+ years ago shows that we used different technologies not quite understood by 'modern' man.

I would also like to touch upon the idea I had that all these ancient structures,pyramids, megaliths and such were purposely built to survive another almost extinct level event. We are doing this today with seed banks, deep underground bases housing earths history. There is information the suggests that the Illuminati or other groups are the keepers of this ancient knowledge.

I would like to add this video call The New Atlantis.

Google Video Link

reply to post by SLAYER69


more great stuff slayer!

but when talking about the great flood and noah, no one mentions the "40 days and 40 nights" of rain.

we've all seen what a week can do with heavy rains and he did have prior warning.

no doubt it could weaken an ice dam, somewhere.

sorry, had to mention it.

reply to post by SLAYER69


dude................i love you..... in a not weird way....

Great Thread bud.
So many possibilities....I always think of the description of the mercury motors that powered the heavier than air flight in ancient india.
Why modern science doesnt investigate the old documents more thoroughly for clues to things we could use again i dont know.Instead they seem to simply acknowledge and ignore these historic records as if they are mostly fiction.
Many artifacts from the past are irreproducable by modern standards.
Venetian glass beads for one cannot now be duplicated. swords which were so sharp they could cut through a piece of silk thrown in the air.....etc....
Man is a strange creature in that he has a monkey like tendancy to mix and match materials infinately.....
much of this in his spare time even....the past must have secrets we could use today...look at the megalithic ruins strewn the whole world over...Surely there are simple answers to some of the questions, but forgotten skills and knowledge must have played majorly in the construction and maintenaance of civilisations we are hardly aware existed.
Ruins of ancient Mu around the southern fringes of asia, and cities deep below the water around the world.
Evidenceof further ancient human existance is bound to surface as our own sonar imagery and ground radar technology improve.
A good read, gets the old neurons firing hey?

Once again, great thread Slayer69!

I read a thread not too long ago about the discovery in Egypt of the Tomb of the Visitor by Russia back in the 40's, I'd like to ask you what's on it? KGB hoax, or real?

Another impressive thread from you slayer. I love the fact that you never claim to have the definitive answers, you just lay it out in a clear, concise manner, and you leave the conclusion to the reader. The way intelligent discussion should be.

Now that your ego has been properly stroked , what location is the picture at the top of your post from?

S&f well done.

I'm turning in for the night and will respond to all those who have replied thus far tomorrow. It's late where I am. I appreciate all that have contributed and it good to see others who are as interested in the topic as I am.

Oh, this is going to be a good read. I always enjoy your well written and researched threads. Keep'em coming!

Very interesting post.

I agree that if we have been close to extinction before, it would make sense we kept going,
We're similar to a bad case of the bed bugs once your there your hard to kill unless exposed to extreme tempratures and poison.

reply to post by SLAYER69


So if we went back in time, these ancient people would be able to instantaneously understand English, Russian, Arabic, Cantonese, Japanese & Finnish. Somehow I don't think so. If these people were so advanced, then where's all their advanced technology? All I'm seeing is the typical conspiracy theories from people with wild imaginations and no evidence to back it up. Some knowledge has obviously been forgotten, but that doesn't make them more advanced or more intelligent than modern man. When silly conspiracy theorists rant & rave that modern man couldn't build pyramids, they are talking complete nonsense. Of cource we could, but why would we want too. One thing is for sure, our ancient ancestors couldn't build sky scrapers, or split the atom, as they simply weren't smart enough.

If an advanced culture, comparable in technology & knowledge to modern man existed in the distant past, then it must of been one hell of a cataclysm to remove all traces of it. Because that's something even the recent earthquakes and tsunami in Japan couldn't do.

Woolly Mammoths Remains: Catastrophic Origins?
www.talkorigins.org...
www.answersingenesis.org...