10 Inca Ruins to See (That Aren’t Machu Picchu): [Makes me re-think Alien Interventions]

...thx for the pics ((((anon))))... wish i was there rather than here but, o'well, it could be worse...

...for who-knows-how-long humans have been taught that the current generation is the smartest to have ever lived - which is bs to feed your ego and dull your brain and that explains why there are so many morons today...

...i'm not really sure who is to blame for that faulty programming but i rather enjoy blaming eurocentrics simply because they kinda deserve it - imo, a tad warped tho it may be...

...thx ((((slayer)))) for posting the caral videos - my favorite place for many reasons but the main one is that it proves we didnt all come from warrior societies...

I love Sacsayhuaman & I love posting pictures of that place & showing it to people. The entire place is amazing! Truly Epic!

Originally posted by anon72
I have seen a few threads about possible Alien Intervention/design/techniquese etc. I admittedly have travel down the Alien Did It path myself.

Firstly, congrats on seeing things in new ways.

Secondly, I never could understand the Alien-Did-It theories anyway. I guess it's fun to imagine the space monkeys flying in and helping our barely-clothed, savage ancestors pile up some rocks.

I guess.

Originally posted by diddy1234
Very interesting.
I can't help but think It's as though we have been at this technological level in the past (ok no computers and Internet) then something happened and we started over again.

I think it is a lost technology. Why people think that aliens came down to "help" us? It will be more likely what Hawkin's says or what's portrayed in Battle LA. They will come to take our natural resources and leave.

Wow great thread, have you checked out Puma Punku? That place looks like its been built by CNC Milling machines.
I can understand where people come from when they think aliens were involved, but personally i think we underestimate our ancestors too much, the human race can actually do some extraordinary stuff check out Coral Castle, apparently built by a single man

Great thread - S&F for your effort (and, at the very least, the awesome pics)

HOWEVER...

I can see why people can believe in the Alien help angle. Look at the way the peoples lived back then and then try to justify these structures etc. I just can't do it. However, there is more evidence to show that these people did all the work than there is of ALiens having hand in the construction.

We can't find a single bolt/nut/screw (or an alien equivelent), much less a piece of alien machinery. They must have been one clean outfit. What did the people fear to build so high up?

A couple things to keep in mind:
- this stone work is only what's left (ever seen Life After People?). In a couple thousand years, Vegas would be virtually unrecognizable that anything 'advanced' (high tech) ever existed there!
- you are thinking in construction terms that only YOU (we) currently understand! Those of us that subscribe to AAT realize that if they had an obvious grasp on sophisticated science such as genetics, then building structures that withstand the test of time would be child's play.
- look at the stones. The way they fit together. No mortar, ranging up to 300Tons...

I may be not be able to prove that 'aliens'* did it - but, you'll have a hard time convincing me that humans did.




* ancestors

why is anything built over a 1000 years ago have to be attributed to aliens. look at the roman coliseum, it is much more impressive and complicated than putting a few stone blocks together, no matter how heavy or remote the stones are or came from.

it is also much older than the inca cities, yet no one suggests extra-terrestrials built it.

if you look at the coliseum and if it wasn't in ruins, it exceeds any modern stadium in construction and engineering.
and it was built without any modern construction equipment.

i doubt anything would be left of yankee stadium 10 years from now, let alone thousands of years from now, if it wasn't for the constant upkeep yankee maintenance staff perform everyday.

reply to post by randomname

look at the roman coliseum, it is much more impressive and complicated than putting a few stone blocks together, no matter how heavy or remote the stones are or came from.

Very excellent point my friend. They just recorded their efforts better, or rather, they weren't destroyed like other records of the past.

Good point though.

the sundial, to me, looks pretty close to the yonagumi structure. just an observation.

Originally posted by SquirrelNutz
Great thread - S&F for your effort (and, at the very least, the awesome pics)

HOWEVER...

I can see why people can believe in the Alien help angle. Look at the way the peoples lived back then and then try to justify these structures etc. I just can't do it. However, there is more evidence to show that these people did all the work than there is of ALiens having hand in the construction.

We can't find a single bolt/nut/screw (or an alien equivelent), much less a piece of alien machinery. They must have been one clean outfit. What did the people fear to build so high up?

A couple things to keep in mind:
- this stone work is only what's left (ever seen Life After People?). In a couple thousand years, Vegas would be virtually unrecognizable that anything 'advanced' (high tech) ever existed there!
- you are thinking in construction terms that only YOU (we) currently understand! Those of us that subscribe to AAT realize that if they had an obvious grasp on sophisticated science such as genetics, then building structures that withstand the test of time would be child's play.
- look at the stones. The way they fit together. No mortar, ranging up to 300Tons...

I may be not be able to prove that 'aliens'* did it - but, you'll have a hard time convincing me that humans did.




* ancestors

edit on 7/5/2011 by SquirrelNutz because: (no reason given)

I spent about half of my life in Peru and some other places in South America, my mother is native peruvian. For the people in these countries, it had been an strong natural connection between mankind and extraterrestrial since acient times until today. I understand this is hard to understand for people in developed countries.

Acient cultures like Tiahunaco (Tiwanaku) were assisted thru their development by these visitors, most of the people in south america always accepted this idea. The advanced techniches these cultures used were given to them, adapted and improved to be used according to the resources available.

Do not make an opinion based 100% in the books or info available. There are so many things about the Incas that remains unknown for most of the people.

At the beginning of the Inca's culture, there was an elite of them in contact with these visitors. They were prevented of what was about to happen and decided to move into the jungle. The spaniards fought the warrior class.

Originally posted by tom.farnhill
reply to post by diddy1234

 

why is it that people do not give our ancient ancestors credit for building these structures.
just because we can not imagine how it was done does not mean that they had to have some alien intervention.

People are giving credit to our ancestors for building these structures.

You're addressing some fringe theories presented on a conspiracy web site. If you spend too much time around here you may get the impression they're commonly accepted.

I still think wild theories are necessary though, in order to raise questions and force archaeologists to think twice, and even reconsider. It is unfortunately so that archaeology has a tendency to fill in the blanks when it's up against something it doesn't quite understand. The extreme of this phenomenon are people like Zahi Hawass (mInister of Egypt Antiquities Affairs and chief archaeologist), who (as a knowledgeable and experienced professional) always has an answer for everything and stomps out all conflicting opinions. The truth is, we've so far dug up less than 10% of ancient Egypt, and what's left is but a fragment of what once was. We therefore have but a fragmentary interpretation of this civilization. Let's face it, we still haven't figured out the logistics or with what technology the Giza pyramid was built.

One single Antikhytera-like mechanism could topple everything we thought we knew about their technology, the same thing goes for the Incas.

If we look for the common denominators in both Egyptian and some pre-Columbian South American architecture, such as working with megalithic building blocks and fitting them together with razor-sharp precision, it's imperative that we ask ourselves why. Because, working with 50 ton (or more) stone blocks is unnecessary (you can work with smaller blocks) and exceedingly energy and time-consuming. You can use more rational building methods to achieve more with less effort in less time, and it will still be solid architecture. Roman roads and aqueducts are still standing today, and we can understand - from an engineering point of view - why they built the way they did, with the means they had. But not with these guys. Also, fitting these blocks tightly together is architecturally unsound, because it creates unnecessary strain on the building material, in the sense that mortar will absorb that strain. It therefore increases the need for precision in the overall construction, and for what purpose was this millimeter precision needed?

It becomes logic only if we theorize that they had the technology to deal with the engineering problems, and that the precision the engineering was imposing served a purpose.

This is what is alien to us right now, admit it or not.

I didn't know there was that much stuff !
Updating bucket list

reply to post by anon72


The proof is all around you just need to know where to look. The great pyramids would be a good place to start.

Originally posted by tom.farnhill
reply to post by diddy1234

 

yes i agree , why is it that people do not give our ancient ancestors credit for building these structures.
just because we can not imagine how it was done does not mean that they had to have some alien intervention.

Proof that ancient man wasn't a primitive "ape like" creature, contradicts the sacred cow of Darwinian evolution. TPTB refuse to let that theory die despite all of the evidence contrary, so it is just easier to say that space aliens did it.

Tons of information was lost forever when the library in Alexandria burned. I think there was a lot more than just recipes and magic spells

reply to post by Kandinsky


Very interesting thread.

Whilst I agree that there are many amazing man made stone buildings/monuments etc, I find it difficult to compare the thousands of miles of dry stone walls around Europe with these incredible artifacts in (amongst other places) Central and South America. With most of the artifacts in Europe, it is at least possible to see how, with an enourmous amount of labour, it was possible to carry out construction.

Here however, we are expected to believe that a civilization that had no written language and didnt even have the wheel, transported thousands of tons of rock into some of the most inhospitable places on earth (as far as altitude and vegitation is concerned), then constructed these elaborate structures with joints you cannot fit a cigarette paper into.

I just cannot see how this was possible given the tools and technology that were supposedly available to the people credited with building these objects, and am yet to hear a convincing explanation of such.

Therefore we are left with two possiblities: 1) We previously had far greater technology than previously thought, then somehow it was lost, or 2) Some other perhaps ET or ED Civilization had a hand in it. As it is becoming more and more obvious that there are serious holes in our accepted historical and scientific beliefs, it is difficult for anyone to say- fascinating non the less. S&F

Originally posted by Thunda

Therefore we are left with two possiblities: 1) We previously had far greater technology than previously thought, then somehow it was lost, or 2) Some other perhaps ET or ED Civilization had a hand in it. As it is becoming more and more obvious that there are serious holes in our accepted historical and scientific beliefs, it is difficult for anyone to say- fascinating non the less. S&F

How is scenario 2 even a possibility?
Couldn't we just as easily substitute "ET Civilization" with "giants" or "dragons"?

very cool stuff! you should all check out a guy named KLAUS DONA on utube. he has made some crazy finds in gutamala(spelling?), including a pyramid (like in egypt,not south america) that has an eye on the top that looks exactly like the one on the american 1 dollar bill! this pyramid also has 3 gold inlayed stones on the bottom of it layed out like the belt of orion! incredible! check it out

reply to post by Hessling


Really makes you wonder what they knew and how they (we?) lost all this knowledge? Where did this knowledge come from or how did it evolve and then fade away?

I have wondered the same thing myself. How was all this knowledge lost? I understand that some civilizations disappear and their knowledge went with them; however, some never did. I can not grasp that humans were capable of building such structures only to have the "know how" forgotten.

Originally posted by IceFlower
reply to post by Hessling

 

Really makes you wonder what they knew and how they (we?) lost all this knowledge? Where did this knowledge come from or how did it evolve and then fade away?

I have wondered the same thing myself. How was all this knowledge lost?

It may have a lot to do with the Spanish conquest in S. America

"We" didn't lose knowledge. "We" destroyed it.

reply to post by traditionaldrummer


The Spanish did not destroy the knowledge in Egypt - yet, the knowledge of how they built the pyramids is now gone. And why would the Spanish destroy the knowledge, why not use it?