The worst attempt to justify Global Warming... Ever

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Drivel : Definition : A worthless message

My post : Complete with Information AGW Supports don't like to see.


Post will be labelled as drivel by AGW supporters who will blindly deny scientific data; Because it throws into question the validity of their suppositions.

Conclusion The ramifications of my post throw a wrench in peoples AGW cause. So they cannot formulate a response to it. Or just will not because they can't

Or lastly they want to stay ignorant of the facts.

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You'r welcomed. But trust me there is a lot mre information that shows AGW to be nothing but a scam, and it is amazing that the AGW believers to this day still are DESPERATELY holding unto their religion...

Not even when several prominent scientists who have been part of the IPCC reports came forward trying to warn people, not even when the main proponent scientists have been caught time, after time, after time lying, fudging data, and outright publishing false information as if it were true later on to be found out it was nothing but LIES. Not even when the Earth, and it's climate itself have shown the AGW believers how wrong their religion is, and not even after hundreds of peer-reviewed papers have been published which show AGW to be false and hold no ground whatsoever, STILL these people DESPERATELY hold on to nothing but a BELIEF...

Originally posted by nixie_nox

Originally posted by yadboy
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You poor poor thing.
You get my chuckle for the day.

The tilt that causes winter/summer has existed since the planet has formed, and it has never changed, and it has allowed all the pretty things we see to flourish.
That is just business.

You obviously have reading comprehension problems, the point was not that the tilt is something new, but that a small change to our system can make a big difference. Nice try at misdirection though. .

Change? The sun changes all the time. In fact, it's cycle has changed so unexpectedly that it has scientist stumped. Not a criticism of them, just that they don't have an answer to the cooling. What force causes it? Your guess is as good as mine. Galactic scale forces, perhaps? We are all gravitationally bound with another billion stars, after all.
Solar Jet Stream stumps a million monkeys with a million typewriters...


What change? I would love to see what force is driving the Sun to change suddenly.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
What people on here are saying is that the sun is actually getting warmer, and that is what is causing the heat up. Not the natural occurence.

Actually I think most people believe that the solar maximums and minimums have a much greater effect of global temperature than a little extra CO2. I tend to agree with them. I don't think people are assuming the solar maximum is not a natural occurrence..

Not my point at all, who has lost their reading comprehension now? If solar minimums/maximums had an effect then we would be on a 11 year cycle for weather. But we don't, because earth has this really neat atmosphere that buffers against changes.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
See, it can't be something simple like man made pollution, but they will make this H U G E leap that the biggest baddest body in our solar system is changing, having a tantrum, and that is causing problems. Oh wait its aliens shooting lazer beams at us. Me personally, I think all the alien gods are mad at us.. It is ANYTHING but pollution.

Are you for real? So the most energetic source of radiation, heat and light in our solar systems is less likely to have an effect of us than some particulates and water vapor in the atmosphere? Wow, just wow.

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While the Sun's energy increased, temperatures rose. When the Sun's energy decreased, temperatures rose.
If the Sun's activity is increasing, which is isn't, there would be less cosmic rays, less cloud cover and the Earth would warm. Any changes in the Sun's activity is about .1%. It has always been that way and always will be, the huge body is pretty constant itself. So the idea of changes in activity having an effect are bunk. Cosmic rays would have the most effect if any, they increase during a solar minimum, they create more clouds and the Earth cools. But that is not happening. Even during an maximum, there are less cosmic rays, any increase in temperature is not enough to stay step in step with the current warming trend.
So maybe you should understand the relationship with the Sun and the Earth's atmosphere before you go make comments about how BIG it is.

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Wikipedia- Maunder Minimum

The Maunder Minimum coincided with the middle — and coldest part — of the Little Ice Age, during which Europe and North America were subjected to bitterly cold winters. Whether there is a causal connection between low sunspot activity and cold winters has not been proven; however, lower earth temperatures have been observed during low sunspot activity.[3] The winter of 1708–9 was extremely cold

Originally posted by Essan


Yes there is. How many cimate scientists have you spoken to lately?

Besides, the facts speak for themselves. But it's a free world. You can believe the Earth is flat if you like

That can be asked of you as well.

However, what we have are the comments, and statements made by scientists, who have even been on the record declaring what the anthropogonists, scientists, have been doing to hide, and bury the truth about Climate Change.

Anyway....there is not such a concensus, it is based on nothing but lies from groups that are getting funding by claiming most scientists agree when in fact, and this has been posted many times before, the board of directors in many, if not most, of such scientific groups have not asked for the opinion of their member scientists.

Board of directors normally number in between 6-12, compared to the hundreds, and even thousands of scientist members that are part of their scientific groups.

There are hundreds of peer-review research that show more NATURAL causes are the reason for the changes we have been experiencing.

For example, although the purpose of the following study from 2007 was not specifically about Climate Change, it does show and point out that dramatic thermal changes have been ongoing at the Arctic shelf which has been linked directly to warming associated with Holocene sea level rise.

The Arctic shelf is currently undergoing dramatic thermal changes caused by the continued warming associated with Holocene sea level rise. During this transgression, comparatively warm waters have flooded over cold permafrost areas of the Arctic Shelf. A thermal pulse of more than 10°C is still propagating down into the submerged sediment and may be decomposing gas hydrate as well as permafrost. A search for gas venting on the Arctic seafloor focused on pingo-like-features (PLFs) on the Beaufort Sea Shelf because they may be a direct consequence of gas hydrate decomposition at depth. Vibracores collected from eight PLFs had systematically elevated methane concentrations. ROV observations revealed streams of methane-rich gas bubbles coming from the crests of PLFs. We offer a scenario of how PLFs may be growing offshore as a result of gas pressure associated with gas hydrate decomposition.

www.agu.org...

Even studies like the above, which were originally not really intended to study Climate Change are pointing to the fact that the Earth has been experiencing NATURAL warming, and not warming caused by anthropogenic CO2.

Some examples of how wrong General Circulation Models are, which have and still are being used by the AGW believers as proof of their religion, include.

Orographic cloud in a GCM: the missing cirrus
Journal Climate Dynamics
Publisher Springer Berlin / Heidelberg
ISSN 0930-7575 (Print) 1432-0894 (Online)
Issue Volume 24, Numbers 7-8 / June, 2005
DOI 10.1007/s00382-005-0020-9
Pages 771-780
Subject Collection Earth and Environmental Science
SpringerLink Date Monday, May 02, 2005


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Orographic cloud in a GCM: the missing cirrus
S. M. Dean1 , B. N. Lawrence2, R. G. Grainger1 and D. N. Heuff3

(1) Atmospheric Oceanic and Planetary Physics, Clarendon Laboratory, University of Oxford, Oxford, Oxfordshire, UK
(2) British Atmospheric Data Centre, Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Chilton, Oxfordshire, UK
(3) Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

Received: 13 September 2004 Accepted: 25 February 2005 Published online: 27 April 2005

Abstract Observations from the International Satellite Cloud Climatalogy Project (ISCCP) are used to demonstrate that the 19-level HadAM3 version of the United Kingdom Met Office Unified Model does not simulate sufficient high cloud over land. By using low-altitude winds, from the European Centre for Medium Range Weather Forecasting (ECMWF) Re-Analysis from 1979 to 1994 (ERA-15) to predict the areas of maximum likelihood of orographic wave generation, it is shown that much of the deficiency is likely to be due to the lack of a representation of the orographic cirrus generated by sub-grid scale orography. It is probable that this is a problem in most GCMs.

www.springerlink.com...


Another of the many flaws of GCMs..

The widely accepted (albeit unproven) theory that manmade global warming will accelerate itself by creating more heat-trapping clouds is challenged this month in new research from The University of Alabama in Huntsville.

Instead of creating more clouds, individual tropical warming cycles that served as proxies for global warming saw a decrease in the coverage of heat-trapping cirrus clouds, says Dr. Roy Spencer, a principal research scientist in UAHuntsville's Earth System Science Center.

That was not what he expected to find.

"All leading climate models forecast that as the atmosphere warms there should be an increase in high altitude cirrus clouds, which would amplify any warming caused by manmade greenhouse gases," he said. "That amplification is a positive feedback. What we found in month-to-month fluctuations of the tropical climate system was a strongly negative feedback. As the tropical atmosphere warms, cirrus clouds decrease. That allows more infrared heat to escape from the atmosphere to outer space."

The results of this research were published today in the American Geophysical Union's "Geophysical Research Letters" on-line edition. The paper was co-authored by UAHuntsville's Dr. John R. Christy and Dr. W. Danny Braswell, and Dr. Justin Hnilo of Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, CA.

www.uah.edu...


There is a lot more evidence that GCMs are flawed, and their models should not be seen as any "prediction" simply because they are flawed, don't take in consideration many natural factors, and as any computer program will do, if you "assume" a certain value for CO2, and tell the computer program that with more CO2 temperatures will increase more, that is exactly what the model will do, and more so, if you do not input all natural factors that affect the climate on Earth.

Here is another example of why GCMs are unreliable.

Koutsoyiannis, D., A. Efstratiadis, N. Mamassis, and A. Christofides, On the credibility of climate predictions, Hydrological Sciences Journal, 53 (4), 671–684, 2008.

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Geographically distributed predictions of future climate, obtained through climate models, are widely used in hydrology and many other disciplines, typically without assessing their reliability. Here we compare the output of various models to temperature and precipitation observations from eight stations with long (over 100 years) records from around the globe. The results show that models perform poorly, even at a climatic (30-year) scale. Thus local model projections cannot be credible, whereas a common argument that models can perform better at larger spatial scales is unsupported.

www.itia.ntua.gr...

Originally posted by Essan

Its well worth reading regardless of your views on the extent to which carbon emission may affect global temperature. If you don't believe that humans affect the climate don't bother. But I have a magic potion you may like that makes you to invincible to bullets, only $1,000

edit on 8-7-2011 by Essan because: (no reason given)

Heck, you used to believe the lies from Mann, Jones et al, not sure if you actually woke up and changed your mind.

You also used to believe, and I quote.

Originally posted by Essan

Yes, that is true. Except for the past 50 years. And for that there is no natural explanation. According to the experts anyway (I know those who don't fully understand atmospheric science and astrophysics sometimes claim otherwise on their websites

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www.abovetopsecret.com...

Despite the fact that there has been, and there is plenty of evidence that shows the activity of the Sun had been increasing since at least the early 1900s and had continued to increase until the end 2005 or beginning of 2006. I have posted graphs of the major magnetic disturbances in the sun since 1880s until 2007.

I have also shown research that demonstrates that if the Sun's activity had been increasing for at least 100 years it would influence the climate dramatically. Which is exactly what has happened.

Since the late 1970s, the amount of solar radiation the sun emits, during times of quiet sunspot activity, has increased by nearly .05 percent per decade, according to a NASA funded study.

"This trend is important because, if sustained over many decades, it could cause significant climate change," said Richard Willson, a researcher affiliated with NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies and Columbia University's Earth Institute, New York. He is the lead author of the study recently published in Geophysical Research Letters.
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In this study, Willson, who is also Principal Investigator of NASA's ACRIM experiments, compiled a TSI record of over 24 years by carefully piecing together the overlapping records. In order to construct a long-term dataset, he needed to bridge a two-year gap (1989 to 1991) between ACRIM1 and ACRIM2. Both the Nimbus7/ERB and ERBS measurements overlapped the ACRIM 'gap.' Using Nimbus7/ERB results produced a 0.05 percent per decade upward trend between solar minima, while ERBS results produced no trend. Until this study, the cause of this difference, and hence the validity of the TSI trend, was uncertain. Willson has identified specific errors in the ERBS data responsible for the difference. The accurate long-term dataset, therefore, shows a significant positive trend (.05 percent per decade) in TSI between the solar minima of solar cycles 21 to 23 (1978 to present). This major finding may help climatologists to distinguish between solar and man-made influences on climate.

NASA's ACRIMSAT/ACRIM3 experiment began in 2000 and will extend the long-term solar observations into the future for at least a five-year minimum mission.

www.nasa.gov...

Was the Sun's activity only increasing during the 24 year of research, from 1978-2002 mentioned above and only until the end of the research in 2002?... No...

Although not documented here, it is interesting to note that the overall level of magnetic disturbance from year to year has increased substantially from a low around 1900 Also, the level of mean yearly aa is now much higher so that a year of minimum magnetic disturbances now is typically more disturbed than years at maximum disturbance levels before 1900.

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The increase in Solar magnetic storms do tells us that the Sun's activity had been increasing until at least the end of 2005-2006, which is the CONTRARY to what you and your idols claim.

But there is still hope for you, I guess.

Originally posted by TheUniverse
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The AGW (Anthropogenic Global Warming (Climate Change)) Fraud

Let me help you with that by providing a very helpful visual that should show some people how "significant" 400ppm of any gas in the atmosphere is...

These graphs have been posted in the past by member Outland, so let me quote him directly.

Originally posted by Outland
The image below illustrates to scale all of the GHGs in the atmosphere rounded up to 400PPM (0.04%) -not including water vapor- as indicated by the red area.

Compare that with atmospheric oxygen for perspective...

Compare that to nitrogen for perspective...

Of that 0.04% of GHGs, the gray part of the magnified red area is human based...

I hope you're all feeling really guilty now.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Of note is that the grey area should actually be even smaller than Outland showed above. So the gray area marked by Outland should be MUCH smaller than it shows. At his scale it is showing as if mandmade CO2 accounts for half of all CO2, which is not true because most of the 380ppm is NATURAL and not anthropogenic. Since the advent of the industrial era CO2 has increased what 80ppm-100ppm or so? and I assure you, all of the increase in atmospheric CO2 since the advent of the industrial era IS NOT anthropogenic.

As it is we know the natural output of atmospheric CO2 is about 720 Gt, meanwhile mankind's output, the part that "supposedly" is not being absorbed by nature is 1.8 Gt per year according to the IPCC...which by now we know have been lying but anyway...

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Today, the atmosphere contains about 720 Gtons of carbon. The concentration of carbon dioxide is about 360 ppm. Regardless of its source, one billion tons of carbon released into the atmosphere as carbon dioxide would increase its concentration by 0.5 ppm (360 / 720) if all of it stayed there. However, scientists estimate that about half of present human carbon emissions are absorbed by the environment. Of the half absorbed, scientists have accounted for where half of that goes. Where the other half goes is the "mystery of the missing carbon" (about 1.8 Gton per year).
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www.strom.clemson.edu...

Originally posted by Essan
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And of course, there's a lot more to it than just CO2.


Not that this has any real relevance to the subject. Are you disputing that anthropogenic sulphur emissions cause cooling?

Not really Essan. The IPCC, and the main proponent scientists of AGW/GW such as Mann, Jones et al put ALL the blame on anthropogenic CO2, not on ANYTHING else.

Also what these same people, alongside the elites of the world are proposing is to capture atmospheric CO2 and not ANYTHING else.

Atmospheric CO2, and much higher levels than now increase all global output of green biomass on Earth, and increase worldwide harvests, but since the elites want population control they can't have people getting more food.

It should be easy to understand why AGW is nothing but a hoax/scam perpetrated by the world's elites, and certain scientists/environmentalists.

Successful indoor growers implement methods to increase CO2 concentrations in their enclosure. The typical outdoor air we breathe contains 0.03 - 0.045% (300 - 450 ppm) CO2. Research demonstrates that optimum growth and production for most plants occur between 1200 - 1500 ppm CO2. These optimum CO2 levels can boost plant metabolism, growth and yield by 25 - 60%.

www.planetnatural.com...

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I am sorry, you are basing your claims on "preliminary estimates" based exactly on what research first of all?...
In another post you gave a link to "skeptical science", a website which is full of lies which can be EASILY debunked. Your ideology is so ingrained, and has become so much of a religion for people like you that you actually think that mankind is more powerful than nature, the Sun, the Solar System and the entire Universe but you are claiming that we are wrong?... Really?...

To top it off you give a link to a video made by whom?... another environlunatic that can't be reason with?...

Good proof...

Let's actually listen to a real SCIENTIST, and what he has to say about what the left-wing media and policymakers, as well as the main proponents of the AGW scam have been doing to TRY to bury the truth...

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by Essan
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And of course, there's a lot more to it than just CO2.


Not that this has any real relevance to the subject. Are you disputing that anthropogenic sulphur emissions cause cooling?

Not really Essan. The IPCC, and the main proponent scientists of AGW/GW such as Mann, Jones et al put ALL the blame on anthropogenic CO2, not on ANYTHING else.

No they don't. Although I accept the IPCC place too much emphasis on CO2. But so what? It's hardly evidence that human activity doesn't cause climate change!!!!!!

But anyway, it all has nothing to do with the subject at hand: do sulphur emissions cause global cooling? Or, rather, counter the effect of global warming? There are serious questions as to whether it does.

Meanwhile, AGW is a scam like the idea the Earth is round and over 4.5 billion years old is a scam.

How much of AGW is down to CO2 is open to debate. But AGW is as real as the keyboard I'm tying into.

As to the member who was asking, again, for more proof that the warming which the Earth had been experiencing is not an exception, and whether or not it has been hotter during the recent warming than during other past Climate Changes let me post some more revealing "peer-reviewed" research.

Evidence for the existence of the medieval warm period in China

Chinese Academy of Meteorological Sciences, Baishiqiaolu No. 46, 100081 Beijing, China

Abstract The collected documentary records of the cultivation of citrus trees and Boehmeria nivea (a perennial herb) have been used to produce distribution maps of these plants for the eighth, twelfth and thirteenth centuries A.D. The northern boundary of citrus and Boehmeria nivea cultivation in the thirteenth century lay to the north of the modern distribution. During the last 1000 years, the thirteenth-century boundary was the northernmost. This indicates that this was the warmest time in that period. On the basis of knowledge of the climatic conditions required for planting these species, it can be estimated that the annual mean temperature in south Henan Province in the thirteenth century was 0.9–1.0°C higher than at present. A new set of data for the latest snowfall date in Hangzhou from A.D. 1131 to 1264 indicates that this cannot be considered a cold period, as previously believed.

www.springerlink.com...

Proxy climatic and environmental changes of the
past 1000 years
Willie Soon, Sallie Baliunas,
Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, 60 Garden Street, MS 16, Cambridge, Massachusetts 02138, USA
Mount Wilson Observatory, Mount Wilson, California 91023, USA

ABSTRACT: The 1000 yr climatic and environmental history of the Earth contained in various proxy records is reviewed. As indicators, the proxies duly represent local climate. Because each is of a different nature, the results from the proxy indicators cannot be combined into a hemispheric or
global quantitative composite. However, considered as an ensemble of individual expert opinions, the assemblage of local representations of climate establishes both the Little Ice Age and Medieval Warm Period as climatic anomalies with worldwide imprints, extending earlier results by Bryson et al. (1963), Lamb (1965), and numerous intervening research efforts. Furthermore, the individual proxies can be used to address the question of whether the 20th century is the warmest of the 2nd
millennium locally. Across the world, many records reveal that the 20th century is probably not the warmest nor a uniquely extreme climatic period of the last millennium.

w3g.gkss.de...

Geology
Pronounced climatic variations in Alaska during the last two millennia
Feng Sheng Hu*,, Emi Ito, Thomas A. Brown§, B. Brandon Curry¶, and Daniel R. Engstrom
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Paired oxygen-isotopic analyses of abiotic carbonate and benthic-ostracode shells from lake sediments provide a continuous quantitative record of growing-season temperature for the past 2000 years in the northwestern foothills of the Alaska Range. This record reveals three time intervals of comparable warmth: anno Domini (A.D.) 0-300 [Roman Warming Period], 850-1200 [Medieval Warming Period], and post-1800 (Current Warming period], the latter two of which correspond to the Medieval Climatic Anomaly and climatic amelioration after the end of the Little Ice Age. The Little Ice Age culminated at A.D. 1700, when the climate was 1.7°C colder than at present. A marked climatic cooling also occurred around A.D. 600, coinciding with extensive glacial advances in Alaska. Comparisons of this temperature record with ostracode trace-element ratios (Mg/Ca, Sr/Ca) further suggest that colder periods were wetter and vice versa during the past 2000 years.

www.pnas.org...


Abrupt Climate Changes have happened MANY times, and many have occurred a lot faster than the one we had been experiencing.

Originally published in Science Express on 19 June 2008
Science 1 August 2008:
Vol. 321. no. 5889, pp. 680 - 684
DOI: 10.1126/science.1157707
Prev | Table of Contents | Next

Reports
High-Resolution Greenland Ice Core Data Show Abrupt Climate Change Happens in Few Years
Jørgen Peder Steffensen,1* Katrine K. Andersen,1 Matthias Bigler,1,2 Henrik B. Clausen,1 Dorthe Dahl-Jensen,1 Hubertus Fischer,2,3 Kumiko Goto-Azuma,4 Margareta Hansson,5 Sigfús J. Johnsen,1 Jean Jouzel,6 Valérie Masson-Delmotte,6 Trevor Popp,7 Sune O. Rasmussen,1 Regine Röthlisberger,2,8 Urs Ruth,3 Bernhard Stauffer,2 Marie-Louise Siggaard-Andersen,1 Árn E. Sveinbjörnsdóttir,9 Anders Svensson,1 James W. C. White7

The last two abrupt warmings at the onset of our present warm interglacial period, interrupted by the Younger Dryas cooling event, were investigated at high temporal resolution from the North Greenland Ice Core Project ice core. The deuterium excess, a proxy of Greenland precipitation moisture source, switched mode within 1 to 3 years over these transitions and initiated a more gradual change (over 50 years) of the Greenland air temperature, as recorded by stable water isotopes. The onsets of both abrupt Greenland warmings were slightly preceded by decreasing Greenland dust deposition, reflecting the wetting of Asian deserts. A northern shift of the Intertropical Convergence Zone could be the trigger of these abrupt shifts of Northern Hemisphere atmospheric circulation, resulting in changes of 2 to 4 kelvin in Greenland moisture source temperature from one year to the next.

www.sciencemag.org...

The global record SHOWS CLEARLY that the Medieval and Roman Warm Periods were WARMER than now, yet the NATURAL Climate Change deniers aka the AGW believers want to deny what hundreds, upon hundreds of research done over several decades actually say...

What the record shows us the temps that have occurred in East Asia.

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The Sargasso Sea Temps.

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Alaska/north America.

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What the real temperatures in Europe say contrary to the Hockey Stick lie, and Mann, Jones et al lies..

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BTW, please do not be confused, some of the above graphs show the CWP (Current Warm Period) to the left, and some to the right. I know that this might cause some confusion but as long as you know that CWP is Current Warm Period, MWP is Medieval Warm Period, RWP is Roman Warm Period etc, it then becomes clearer.

Here is another peer-reviewed research that states the evidence shows, in this case, that the MWP was a global event, and not a regional event like the anthroponegists are claiming.

Glacial geological evidence for the medieval warm period
Abstract It is hypothesised that the Medieval Warm Period was preceded and followed by periods of moraine deposition associated with glacier expansion. Improvements in the methodology of radiocarbon calibration make it possible to convert radiocarbon ages to calendar dates with greater precision than was previously possible. Dating of organic material closely associated with moraines in many montane regions has reached the point where it is possible to survey available information concerning the timing of the medieval warm period. The results suggest that it was a global event occurring between about 900 and 1250 A.D., possibly interrupted by a minor readvance of ice between about 1050 and 1150 A.D.

www.springerlink.com...

Originally posted by Essan

No they don't. Although I accept the IPCC place too much emphasis on CO2. But so what? It's hardly evidence that human activity doesn't cause climate change!!!!!!

Are you kidding me?... Pray tell us what was Mann's Hockey Stick graph claiming has been causing the recent warming?... cow's pop?... And what did the IPCC, and other AGW scientist proponents have been claiming has been the cause for the warming the Earth has been experiencing?... Did they claim it was the Sun? C'mon Essan.

Originally posted by Essan
But anyway, it all has nothing to do with the subject at hand: do sulphur emissions cause global cooling? Or, rather, counter the effect of global warming? There are serious questions as to whether it does.

Yes it does, because the remedies these people want to implement, and have been implementing are targeting atmospheric CO2, nothing more.

Originally posted by Essan
Meanwhile, AGW is a scam like the idea the Earth is round and over 4.5 billion years old is a scam.

How much of AGW is down to CO2 is open to debate. But AGW is as real as the keyboard I'm tying into.

Again wrong, if the main proponents of AGW haven't been able to provide proof to their claims and they have had to lie, published false data, and tried to bury facts and evidence which debunks their case, among their other tactics it is obvious AGW is based on nothing but lies, and false data, hence a scam...

I forgot to add the information from the research which shows the Climate Changes in East Asia for the past 1,800 years, in which you can see that at least part of the Medieval Warm Period was warmer even than the present, and they even mention it.

II.2.3 The Medieval Warm Period
After the DACP was another warm period that continued until c. 1350 A.D., and it was wet and warm again like the RWP. Although some scientists argue that actually there was no significant warm climate during the MWP in East Asia, it seems evident that at least the 12th century was warmer than any other periods - even warmer than today-discussed on this paper. (8)

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2003 Seattle Annual Meeting (November 2–5, 2003)
Paper No. 17-13
Presentation Time: 11:15 AM-11:30 AM
THE LAKE MALAWI CLIMATE RECORD: LINKS TO SOUTH AMERICA
BROWN, Erik T. and JOHNSON, Thomas C., Large Lakes Observatory, Univ of Minnesota, Duluth, MN 55812, [email protected]
We have extracted high resolution records of past climate conditions from varved sediments accumulating near 10o S in the north basin of Lake Malawi, the southernmost of the East African Rift lakes. Here we compare profiles of biogenic silica and Nb:Ti spanning nearly 25,000 years in Malawi with the Cariaco Basin high-resolution record of Haug et al. (2001), which is based primarily on sedimentary profiles of Fe and Ti. During the past 1000 years Nb:Ti and biogenic silica track one another in Malawi sediments, as observed for the Late Glacial (Johnson et al., 2002). These signals have been interpreted as a reflection of the intensity or frequency of north winds over the basin. Such winds carry Nb-rich volcaniclastic sediments into the lake and promote upwelling, favorable to diatom productivity. Johnson et al. (2002) attributed the greater frequency of north winds over the Malawi basin during "cold" episodes such as the Younger Dryas to southward shifts in the Intertropical Convergence Zone (ITCZ). Haug et al. (2001) have suggested that southward migration of the ITCZ over South America as such times caused decreased rainfall and delivery of terrigenous clastics rich in Fe and Ti to the Cariaco basin. During the Late Glacial, the trends in the African and South American records are remarkably similar. In addition, they both show evidence for the ITCZ being positioned more to the north during the Medieval Warm Period, more to the south during the Little Ice Age, and subsequently returning to the north. Both records also exhibit greater variability during the LIA, with distinct southerly ITCZ excursions. Twentieth Century climate records indicate that episodes of enhanced north winds over Malawi were dry over the Orinoco basin, suggesting that the mechanism of teleconnection developed from sedimentary evidence for 100 to 10,000 years timescales may also play a role in the modern climate.

2003 Seattle Annual Meeting (November 2–5, 2003)


Session No. 17
Lakes and Holocene Environmental Change: The Use of Multiproxy Lake Records for Paleoclimate Reconstructions I
Washington State Convention and Trade Center: 307/308
8:00 AM-12:00 PM, Sunday, November 2, 2003

Geological Society of America Abstracts with Programs, Vol. 35, No. 6, September 2003, p. 62

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The following shows that there have been more extreme weather changes in the past, than at present.

doi:10.1016/j.quaint.2007.06.001

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Extreme Nile floods and famines in Medieval Egypt (AD 930–1500) and their climatic implications

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Fekri A. Hassana,

aInstitute of Archaeology, University College London, 31-34 Gordon Square, WC1H 0PY, London, UK

Available online 7 June 2007.

Abstract
Nile gauge records of variations in Nile floods from the 9th century to the 15th century AD reveal pronounced episodes of low Nile and high Nile flood discharge. Historical data reveal that this period was also characterized by the worst known famines on record. Exploratory comparisons of variations in Nile flood discharge with high-resolution data on sea surface temperature of the North Atlantic climate from three case studies suggest that rainfall at the source of the Nile was influenced by the North Atlantic Oscillation. However, there are apparently flip-flop reversals from periods when variations in Nile flood discharge are positively related to North Atlantic warming to periods where the opposite takes place. The key transitions occur atAD 900, 1010, 1070, 1180, 1350 and 1400. The putative flip-flop junctures, which require further confirmation, appear to be quite rapid and some seem to have had dramatic effects on Nile flood discharge, especially if they recurred at short intervals, characteristic of the period from the 9th to the 14th century, coincident with the so-called Medieval Warm Period. The transition from one state to the other was characterized by incidents of low, high or a succession of both low and high extreme floods. The cluster of extreme floods was detrimental causing famines and economic disasters that are unmatched over the last 2000 years.

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Publication type: Article in journal (Reviewed scientific)
Author: Grudd, H (Department of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology)
Title: Torneträsk tree-ring width and density ad 500–2004: a test of climatic sensitivity and a new 1500-year reconstruction of north Fennoscandian summers
In: Climate Dynamics
Publisher: Springer, Berlin / Heidelberg
Volume: 31
Pages: 843-857
Year: 2008
Available: 2009-01-30
ISSN: 1432-0894
Department: Department of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology
Language: English [en]
Subject: Physical geography, Climatology
Abstract: This paper presents updated tree-ring width (TRW) and maximum density (MXD) from Torneträsk in northern Sweden, now covering the period ad 500–2004. By including data from relatively young trees for the most recent period, a previously noted decline in recent MXD is eliminated. Non-climatological growth trends in the data are removed using Regional Curve Standardization (RCS), thus producing TRW and MXD chronologies with preserved low-frequency variability. The chronologies are calibrated using local and regional instrumental climate records. A bootstrapped response function analysis using regional climate data shows that tree growth is forced by April–August temperatures and that the regression weights for MXD are much stronger than for TRW. The robustness of the reconstruction equation is verified by independent temperature data and shows that 63–64% of the instrumental inter-annual variation is captured by the tree-ring data. This is a significant improvement compared to previously published reconstructions based on tree-ring data from Torneträsk. A divergence phenomenon around ad 1800, expressed as an increase in TRW that is not paralleled by temperature and MXD, is most likely an effect of major changes in the density of the pine population at this northern tree-line site. The bias introduced by this TRW phenomenon is assessed by producing a summer temperature reconstruction based on MXD exclusively. The new data show generally higher temperature estimates than previous reconstructions based on Torneträsk tree-ring data. The late-twentieth century, however, is not exceptionally warm in the new record: On decadal-to-centennial timescales, periods around ad 750, 1000, 1400, and 1750 were equally warm, or warmer. The 200-year long warm period centered on ad 1000 was significantly warmer than the late-twentieth century (p < 0.05) and is supported by other local and regional paleoclimate data. The new tree-ring evidence from Torneträsk suggests that this “Medieval Warm Period” in northern Fennoscandia was much warmer than previously recognized.

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P. D. Tyson, W. Karlén, K. Holmgren and G. A. Heiss (in press) The Little Ice Age and Medieval Warming in South Africa. South African Journal of Science.


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The Little Ice Age and Medieval Warming in South Africa


P. D. Tyson1, W. Karlén2, K. Holmgren2 and G. A. Heiss3.

1Climatology Research Group, University of the Witwatersrand
2Department of Physical Geography, Stockholm University
3Geomar, Wischhofstr. 1-3, 24148 Kiel, Germany; present address: German Advisory Council on Global Change (WBGU), P.O. Box 120161, 27515 Bremerhaven, Germany, E-mail: [email protected]



Abstract

The Little Ice Age, from around 1300 to 1800, and medieval warming, from before 1000 to around 1300 in South Africa, are shown to be distinctive features of the regional climate of the last millennium. The proxy climate record has been constituted from oxygen and carbon isotope and colour density data obtained from a well-dated stalagmite derived from Cold Air Cave in the Makapansgat Valley.
The climate of the interior of South Africa was around 1oC cooler in the Little Ice Age and may have been over 3°C higher than at present during the extremes of the medieval warm period. It was variable throughout the millennium, but considerably more so during the warming of the eleventh to thirteenth centuries. Extreme events in the record show distinct teleconnections with similar events in other parts of the world, in both the northern and southern hemispheres. The lowest temperature events recorded during the Little Ice Age in South Africa are shown to be coeval with the Maunder and Sporer Minima in solar irradiance. The medieval warming is shown to have been coincided with the cosmogenic 10Be and 14C isotopic maxima recorded in tree rings elsewhere in the world during the Medieval Maximum in solar radiation.

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Evidence for the existence of the medieval warm period in China
Journal Climatic Change
Publisher Springer Netherlands
ISSN 0165-0009 (Print) 1573-1480 (Online)
Issue Volume 26, Numbers 2-3 / March, 1994
DOI 10.1007/BF01092419
Pages 289-297
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Evidence for the existence of the medieval warm period in China
De'Er Zhang1

(1) Chinese Academy of Meteorological Sciences, Baishiqiaolu No. 46, 100081 Beijing, China


Abstract The collected documentary records of the cultivation of citrus trees andBoehmeria nivea (a perennial herb) have been used to produce distribution maps of these plants for the eighth, twelfth and thirteenth centuries A.D. The northern boundary of citrus andBoehmeria nivea cultivation in the thirteenth century lay to the north of the modern distribution. During the last 1000 years, the thirteenth-century boundary was the northernmost. This indicates that this was the warmest time in that period. On the basis of knowledge of the climatic conditions required for planting these species, it can be estimated that the annual mean temperature in south Henan Province in the thirteenth century was 0.9–1.0°C higher than at present. A new set of data for the latest snowfall date in Hangzhou from A.D. 1131 to 1264 indicates that this cannot be considered a cold period, as previously believed.

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Decline Of Roman And Byzantine Empires 1,400 Years Ago May Have Been Driven By Climate Change

ScienceDaily (Dec. 6, 2008) — The decline of the Roman and Byzantine Empires in the Eastern Mediterranean more than 1,400 years ago may have been driven by unfavorable climate changes.

Based on chemical signatures in a piece of calcite from a cave near Jerusalem, a team of American and Israeli geologists pieced together a detailed record of the area's climate from roughly 200 B.C. to 1100 A.D. Their analysis, to be reported in an upcoming issue of the journal Quaternary Research, reveals increasingly dry weather from 100 A.D. to 700 A.D. that coincided with the fall of both Roman and Byzantine rule in the region.

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In fact, as I have pointed out before with other research, the Earth has been warmer than during the 20th, or the beginning of the 21st century, yet CO2 levels in the atmosphere were much lower than now.

Such dramatic Climate Changes occurred globally, not just in one area, or just in the northern hemisphere.

Title:
Late Holocene Environmental and Hydrologic Conditions in Northwestern Florida Derived from Seasonally Resolved Profiles of δ18O and Sr/Ca of Fossil Bivalves.
Authors:
Elliot, M.; de Menocal, P. B.; Linsley, B. K.; Howe, S. S.; Guilderson, T.; Quitmyer, I. R.
Affiliation:
AA(Edinburgh University, Dept. Geology and Geophysics, West Mains Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JW United Kingdom ; [email protected]), AB(Lamont Doherty Earth Observatory, Route 9W, Palisades, NY 10964 ; [email protected]), AC(University at Albany, 1400 Washington Ave, Albany, NY 12222 ; [email protected]), AD(Laurence Livermore National Laboratory, 7000 East Ave, Livermore, CA 94550 ; [email protected]), AE(Laurence Livermore National Laboratory, 7000 East Ave, Livermore, CA 94550 ; ), AF(Florida Museum of Natural History, Dickinson Hall, Gainesville, FL 32611 ; )
Publication:
American Geophysical Union, Fall Meeting 2002, abstract #PP72A-0429
Publication Date:
12/2002
Origin:
AGU
AGU Keywords:
3344 Paleoclimatology, 4215 Climate and interannual variability (3309), 4227 Diurnal, seasonal, and annual cycles, 4870 Stable isotopes, 4875 Trace elements
Bibliographic Code:
2002AGUFMPP72A0429E

Abstract
We reconstruct environmental conditions of coastal Northwestern Florida from combined measurements of δ18O and Sr/Ca of fossil marine bivalves deposited in an archeological site during the late Holocene period. We first investigated the environmental controls of seasonally resolved records of δ18O and Sr/Ca of modern Mercenaria mercenaria and Mercenaria campesiensis collected live from five coastal sites along the east coast of North America. Seasonal profiles were obtained by sub-sampling the incremental growth layers of aragonite and were compared with in situ historical records of temperature and salinity. We show that these bivalves precipitate their shell in isotopic equilibrium with the water in which they grew and that the δ18O records are not affected by variations in growth rate. Winter growth appears to be interrupted or strongly reduced below water temperatures ranging from 7 to 18° C, depending on latitude. The annual average δ18O decreases with latitude, reflecting both the parallel trend of freshwater δ18O with latitude over the North American continent and the reduced winter growth rate. The Sr/Ca records of the 5 modern bivalves also exhibit seasonal variations can be correlated to water temperature. However, contrary to corals, the Sr/Ca ratio is considerably lower than the average sea water Sr/Ca composition and is positively correlated to the water temperature. We dated and measured the δ18O and Sr/Ca of 30 fossil M. campesiensis from an archeological site close to Cedar Key, in the Gulf of Mexico. Accelerator Mass Spectrometry 14C dates obtained for each shell show ages which cluster between 1100 to 1400 and 2300 to 2600 14C years BP corresponding approximately to two historical warm periods known as the Medieval Warm Period (~ 1300-900AD) and the Roman Warm Period (~ 250AD-200BC). The average annual and summer Sr/Ca of 4 fossil shells are higher than that of modern bivalves from the same location suggesting that annual coastal water temperatures were 3 to 4° C warmer than today. The bulk δ18O values show a marked trend towards more positive values. 24 fossil shells have bulk δ18O values 0.2permil to 0.7permil more positive than modern bivalves from the same location. These results suggest that the coastal waters off northwest Florida were warmer and less saline compared to today and attest of considerable differences of the regional climate and hydrological balance during the Medieval Warm Period and Roman Warm Period.

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But hey according to Essan "it wasn't", and of course he gives no real evidence and he gives no conclusive proof that the dozens of research are wrong which say the contrary to his own "beliefs"...

As to what could have been the reason for Climate Changes such as "Global Warming":

Science News

Antarctic Science (2003), 15:2:173-173 Cambridge University Press
Copyright © Antarctic Science Ltd 2003
doi:10.1017/S0954102003001305
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Editorial

Galactic energy and its role in a changing Earth

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ALAN P.M. VAUGHAN


Proposed climate change mechanisms are many and various but generally attributable to our part of the solar system. They usually focus on temperature changes driven either by local processes such as variations in oceanic circulation, or, levels of atmospheric greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide, or by global processes such as variations in received solar energy linked to changes in the parameters of the Earth's rotation and orbit or solar activity. However, two recent papers have suggested that we may need to look outside the Earth System and even outside our local planetary system for the possible origins of climate change, both on a decadal scale and over longer timescales of hundreds of millions of years. In each case, the galactic cosmic ray flux and its potential effects on cloud formation is considered to be the culprit.

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And one of the many other research and facts which points to at least one of what could be several NATURAL causes for the Climate Change the Earth is still experiencing.

Suggestive correlations between the brightness of Neptune, solar variability, and Earth's temperature

H. B. Hammel & G. W. Lockwood

Long-term photometric measurements of Neptune show variations of brightness over half a century. Seasonal change in Neptune's atmosphere may partially explain a general rise in the long-term light curve, but cannot explain its detailed variations. This leads us to consider the possibility of solar-driven changes, i.e., changes incurred by innate solar variability perhaps coupled with changing seasonal insolation.

Although correlations between Neptune's brightness and Earth's temperature anomaly-and between Neptune and two models of solar variability-are visually compelling, at this time they are not statistically significant due to the limited degrees of freedom of the various time series.

Nevertheless, the striking similarity of the temporal patterns of variation should not be ignored simply because of low formal statistical significance. If changing brightnesses and temperatures of two different planets are correlated, then some planetary climate changes may be due to variations in the solar system environment.

Hammel, H. B., and G. W. Lockwood, 2007. Suggestive correlations between the brightness of Neptune, solar variability, and Earth’s temperature, GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS, VOL. 34, L08203, doi:10.1029/2006GL028764, 2007

Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2000 November 7; 97(23): 12433–12438.
Published online 2000 October 24. PMCID: PMC18780

Copyright © 2000, The National Academy of Sciences
Geophysics
Geophysical, archaeological, and historical evidence support a solar-output model for climate change
Charles A. Perry* and Kenneth J. Hsu†
*U.S. Geological Survey, Lawrence, KS 66049; and †Tarim Associates, Frohburgstrasse 96, Zurich, Switzerland 8006
Contributed by Kenneth J. Hsu
Accepted September 5, 2000.


Although the processes of climate change are not completely understood, an important causal candidate is variation in total solar output. Reported cycles in various climate-proxy data show a tendency to emulate a fundamental harmonic sequence of a basic solar-cycle length (11 years) multiplied by 2N (where N equals a positive or negative integer). A simple additive model for total solar-output variations was developed by superimposing a progression of fundamental harmonic cycles with slightly increasing amplitudes. The timeline of the model was calibrated to the Pleistocene/Holocene boundary at 9,000 years before present. The calibrated model was compared with geophysical, archaeological, and historical evidence of warm or cold climates during the Holocene. The evidence of periods of several centuries of cooler climates worldwide called “little ice ages,” similar to the period anno Domini (A.D.) 1280–1860 and reoccurring approximately every 1,300 years, corresponds well with fluctuations in modeled solar output. A more detailed examination of the climate sensitive history of the last 1,000 years further supports the model. Extrapolation of the model into the future suggests a gradual cooling during the next few centuries with intermittent minor warmups and a return to near little-ice-age conditions within the next 500 years. This cool period then may be followed approximately 1,500 years from now by a return to altithermal conditions similar to the previous Holocene Maximum.

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Hormes, A., Beer, J. and Schlüchter, C., 2006. A geochronological approach to understanding the role of solar activity on Holocene glacier length variability in the Swiss Alps. Geogr. Ann., 88 A (4): 281–294.


Abstract — We present a radiocarbon data set of 71 samples of wood and peat material that melted out or sheared out from underneath eight present day mid-latitude glaciers in the Central Swiss Alps. Results indicated that in the past several glaciers have been repeatedly less extensive than they were in the 1990s. The periods when glaciers had a smaller volume and shorter length persisted between 320 and 2500 years. This data set provides greater insight into glacier variability than previously possible, especially for the early and middle Holocene. The radiocarbon-dated periods defined with less extensive glaciers coincide with periods of reduced radioproduction, pointing to a connection between solar activity and glacier melting processes. Measured long-term series of glacier length variations show significant correlation with the total solar irradiance. Incoming solar irradiance and changing albedo can account for a direct forcing of the glacier mass balances. Long-term investigations of atmospheric processes that are in interaction with changing solar activity are needed in order to understand the feedback mechanisms with glacier mass balances.

The Role of Solar Activity on Holocene Glacier Length Variability in the swiss Alps

BTW, one of the many pieces of evidence we have that show that scientists have known even back in the late 90s that the increase solar activity, which had been increasing even more as time went by, would be changing the climate here is another abstract of a research which is showing the truth.

Science 26 September 1997:
Vol. 277. no. 5334, pp. 1963 - 1965
DOI: 10.1126/science.277.5334.1963
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Total Solar Irradiance Trend During Solar Cycles 21 and 22
Richard C. Willson

Results from Active Cavity Radiometer Irradiance Monitor (ACRIM) experiments show an upward trend in total solar irradiance of 0.036 percent per decade between the minima of solar cycles 21 and 22. The trend follows the increasing solar activity of recent decades and, if sustained, could raise global temperatures. Trends of total solar irradiance near this rate have been implicated as causal factors in climate change on century to millennial time scales.

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Here is a more recent research done by Wilson which shows the Sun's activity had been increasing at least until the end of his research in 2002.

Earth Institute News Archive

posted 03/20/03

Researcher Finds Solar Trend That Can Warm Climate
Ends debate over whether sun can play a role in climate change

Since the late 1970s, the amount of solar radiation the sun emits during times of quiet sunspot activity has increased by nearly .05 percent per decade, according to the study. “This trend is important because, if sustained over many decades, it could cause significant climate change,” said Willson, a researcher affiliated with NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies and the Earth Institute at Columbia University, and lead author of the study recently published in Geophysical Research Letters.

“Historical records of solar activity indicate that solar radiation has been increasing since the late 19th century,” says Willson. “If a trend comparable the one found in this study persisted during the 20th century it would have provided a significant component of the global warming that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report claims to have occurred over the last 100 years.”

Willson found errors in previous satellite data that had obscured the trend. The new analysis, Willson says, should put an end to a debate in the field over whether solar irradiance variability can play a significant role in climate change.

The solar cycle occurs approximately every 11 years when the sun undergoes a period of increased magnetic and sunspot activity called the "solar maximum," followed by a quiet period called the "solar minimum." A trend in the average solar radiation level over many solar magnetic cycles would contribute to climate change in a major way. Satellite observations of total solar irradiance have now obtained a long enough record (over 24 years) to begin looking for this effect.
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In order to investigate the possibility of a solar trend, Willson needed to put together a long-term dataset of the Sun’s total output. Six overlapping satellite experiments have monitored TSI since late 1978.The first record came from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s (NOAA) Nimbus7 Earth Radiation Budget (ERB) experiment (1978-1993). Other records came from NASA’s Active Cavity Radiometer Irradiance Monitors: ACRIM1 on the Solar Maximum Mission (1980-1989), ACRIM2 on the Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite (1991-2001) and ACRIM3 on the ACRIMSAT satellite (2000 to present). Also, NASA launched its own Earth Radiation Budget Experiment on its Earth Radiation Budget Satellite (ERBS) in 1984. And, the European Space Agency’s (ESA) SOHO/VIRGO experiment also provided an independent data set during 1996-1998.

In this study, Willson, who is also Principal Investigator of the ACRIM experiments, compiled a TSI record of over 24 years by carefully piecing together the overlapping records. In order to construct a long-term dataset, Willson needed to bridge a two-year gap (1989-1991) between ACRIM1 and ACRIM2. Both the Nimbus7/ERB and ERBS measurements overlapped the ACRIM ‘gap.’ Using Nimbus7/ERB results produced a 0.05 percent per decade upward trend between solar minima, while ERBS results produced no trend. Until this study, the cause of this difference, and hence the validity of the TSI trend, was uncertain. Now, Willson has identified specific errors in the ERBS data responsible for the difference. The accurate long-term dataset therefore shows a significant positive trend (.05 percent per decade) in TSI between the solar minima of solar cycles 21 to 23 (1978 to present).

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The Roman Warm Period, the Medieval Warm Period, the Little Ice Age, and the Dark Cool Period ALL appear in every corner of the world where research has been made, by real scientists and not the scam artists like Mann and Jones.

Copyright © 2005 Elsevier B.V. All rights reserved.
Asian monsoon oscillations in the northeastern Qinghai–Tibet Plateau since the late glacial as interpreted from visible reflectance of Qinghai Lake sediments

Junfeng Jia, , , Ji Shenb, 1, , William Balsamc, 2, , Jun Chena, 3, , Lianwen Liua, 4, and Xingqi Liub, 5,

aState Key Laboratory of Mineral Deposit Research, Institute of Surficial Geochemistry, Department of Earth Sciences, Nanjing University, Nanjing 210093, China

bKey Laboratory of Lake Sedimentation and Environment, Nanjing Institute of Geography and Limnology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Nanjing 210008, China

cDepartment of Geology, University of Texas at Arlington, Arlington, TX 76019, USA


Received 28 July 2004; revised 28 January 2005; accepted 15 February 2005. Editor: E. Boyle. Available online 1 April 2005.

Abstract
Qinghai Lake is a large saline lake on the Qinghai–Tibetan Plateau of central Asia that is effected by both the Indian and Asian monsoons. We used reflectance spectroscopy to characterize the sediments in a 795-cm long core taken from the southeastern part of the lake. Sediment redness, which is related to iron oxide content, seems to monitor paleoclimatic changes in the core. Iron oxides appear to be eroded from nearby red beds or loess deposits and are transported by fluvial means into the lake. Thus, redness increases at times of increased precipitation, that is, as monsoon strength increases. Our redness monsoon proxy shows climate changes on several times scales. On a millennial scale, it records humid conditions during the Early and Mid-Holocene. From about 4200 to 2300 yr BP, low redness values suggest a two-millennial long dry period, which in the Late Holocene is followed by a more humid period. On a centennial scale, the redness proxy records not only the Little Ice Age, but also the Medieval Warm Period, the Dark Ages Cool Period and the Roman Warm Period. Time series analysis of the redness record indicates a 200 yr frequency, which corresponds to the de Vries solar cycle suggesting that, in addition to insolation changes resulting from orbital variations, solar forcing also results from cyclic changes in the suns luminosity.

Keywords: Asian monsoon; diffuse reflectance spectrophotometry; Qinghai Lake; sediment redness; iron oxides; solar forcing

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And to the member saying he would make a thread with all this information. I don't mind if you link to where you got the research but all of what I have presented here I have shown in the past in several threads such as.

Climate Change Occurring in Every Planet in Solar System

The Great Global Warming Blunder: How Mother Nature Fooled the World’s Top Climate Scientists

About Possible Influence of Solar Activity Upon Seismic and Volcanic Activities

Another major factor which imo, and the opinion of many scientists does cause Climate Change on Earth as well as increased volcanic/magmatic activity.

Search on for Death Star that throws out deadly comets

The Continuing Climate Meltdown

Scientist 'hid' flaws in key climate shift study

Another IPCC Scientist Reveals How UN Scientists talked about ‘trying to make IPCC report so dramatic..

Scientists abandon global warming 'lie'

Ignorant Skeptics?: UN Scientist Prof. Trenberth says only 'poorly informed' scientists disagree with..

Glacier scientist: I knew data hadn't been verified

Eugenics, The Goal of The Elites for Population Control

We got it wrong: UN climate change scientists admit error over Himalayan glacier report

A Demonstration that Global Warming Predictions are Based More On Faith than On Science

American Thinker: A Climatology Conspiracy?

Shocking 1991 UN PolicyPaper Describes the Exact Purpose and Trajectory of Current Copenhagen Treaty

What If Climategate was Cancergate?

U.S. EPA to move on emissions as Congress stalls

Obamas Science Czar John Holdren involved in unwinding Climategate scandal

450 PeerReviewed Papers Supporting Skepticism of Man Made Global Warming

ClimateGate and the Elitist Roots of Global Warming

Surprise In Earth's Upper Atmosphere: Mode Of Energy Transfer From The Solar Wind

Prehistoric titanic-snake jungles laughed at global warming

Could the anomalies happening in the Solar System be the Cause for Climate Change?

Space radiation hits record high

Climate determinism or Geomagnetic determinism?

World's largest science group rejecting man-made climate fears

Global warming is the new religion of First World urban elites

The following thread started as a study of ultracool subdwarfs, and as I made more and more research I discovered some anomalies in the Solar System, some of which have been recently discovered by at least three separate scientific groups which does affect the climate, and other natural activities of Earth.

'Ultracool subdwarf' stars speeding through Milky Way

The above links are some of the threads and research i have posted in these forums, some of them are repeats from as far back as 2004, others are more recent discoveries.

I really don't like it when some people, and I am not saying this member who said he would put all this information together, start a thread with "I think it is important to put this info together" and then what they do is take all the hard work others have put over several years and link all that information which took a very long time for people like myself to put together, but these members just took maybe half an hour or an hour to gather.

I have always given proper credit where it is due, and I expect other members to do the same and for them to respect the hard work members like myself have made in posting all the information we have posted over the years.

Originally posted by boyg2004

While the Sun's energy increased, temperatures rose. When the Sun's energy decreased, temperatures rose.
If the Sun's activity is increasing, which is isn't, there would be less cosmic rays, less cloud cover and the Earth would warm. Any changes in the Sun's activity is about .1%. It has always been that way and always will be, the huge body is pretty constant itself. So the idea of changes in activity having an effect are bunk. Cosmic rays would have the most effect if any, they increase during a solar minimum, they create more clouds and the Earth cools. But that is not happening. Even during an maximum, there are less cosmic rays, any increase in temperature is not enough to stay step in step with the current warming trend.
So maybe you should understand the relationship with the Sun and the Earth's atmosphere before you go make comments about how BIG it is.

So you decided not to take in consideration any other natural factor that affects the Earth's climate? This is the reason the anthropogenists can't see past their nose regarding Climate Change. There is not just ONE natural factor that affects the climate on Earth, there are several, and none of them point to CO2 being a major factor in increasing temperatures on Earth.

Do you forget that Earth's oceans are Earth's largest storage of heat the planet has? and that there should be a lag in how fast temperatures decrease on Earth?

Not to mention that scientists have found other natural factors that influence temperatures on Earth's atmosphere, including the following, which after Earth's temperatures went down after the Sun's output had slowed down, something else from outside the Solar System has been warming Earth's atmosphere and this energy has been transferred by the Solar Wind.

Surprise In Earth's Upper Atmosphere: Mode Of Energy Transfer From The Solar Wind

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"Its like something else is heating the atmosphere besides the sun. This discovery is like finding it got hotter when the sun went down," said Larry Lyons, UCLA professor of atmospheric and oceanic sciences and a co-author of the research, which is in press in two companion papers in the Journal of Geophysical Research.

Further down on the article you can read the following

"We all have thought for our entire careers — I learned it as a graduate student — that this energy transfer rate is primarily controlled by the direction of the interplanetary magnetic field," Lyons said. "The closer to southward-pointing the magnetic field is, the stronger the energy transfer rate is, and the stronger the magnetic field is in that direction. If it is both southward and big, the energy transfer rate is even bigger."

However, Lyons, Kim and their colleagues analyzed radar data that measure the strength of the interaction by measuring flows in the ionosphere, the part of Earth's upper atmosphere ionized by solar radiation. The results surprised them.

"Any space physicist, including me, would have said a year ago there could not be substorms when the interplanetary magnetic field was staying northward, but that's wrong," Lyons said. "Generally, it's correct, but when you have a fluctuating interplanetary magnetic field, you can have substorms going off once per hour.

"Heejeong used detailed statistical analysis to prove this phenomenon is real. Convection in the magnetosphere and ionosphere can be strongly driven by these fluctuations, independent of the direction of the interplanetary magnetic field."

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For some years now some other members and myself have been pointing to this. There are more sources of energy which affect the entire Solar System, and hence the Earth, and which can cause changes, including Climate Changes, and these sources are other than the Sun, or even Earth's ghgs, in which WATER VAPOR is the main and most significant ghg, and not CO2.

Right now space radiation is at an all time high, and it is the highest it has been at least since we started monitoring space weather. This in turn affects the Earth, and it's climate.

Space radiation hits record high

Now, the influx of galactic cosmic rays into our solar system has reached a record high. Measurements by NASA's Advanced Composition Explorer (ACE) spacecraft indicate that cosmic rays are 19 per cent more abundant than any previous level seen since space flight began a half century ago."The space era has so far experienced a time of relatively low cosmic ray activity," says Richard Mewaldt of Caltech, who is a member of the ACE team. "We may now be returning to levels typical of past centuries."

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Haven't all of you noticed by now that we are not in a "WARMING" cycle? but rather a CLIMATE CHANGE cycle? One that is natural and fluctuates from cold, to warm, to cold, and warm, and back and forth.

BTW, in case you haven't realized it yet, this research, and these scientists are not pointing towards ghgs, much less CO2, but at some other source, beside the Sun, and which energy input has increased, and has been changing the dynamics of the Solar System.

I have also shown in the past that scientists, at least as early as 1978 already knew that the Earth's climate would be experiencing dramatic changes because our Solar System has been approaching a new region of the Local Fluff and into an interstellar cloud.

Title: Is the solar system entering a nearby interstellar cloud

Authors: Vidal-Madjar, A.; Laurent, C.; Bruston, P.; Audouze, J.

Affiliation: AA(CNRS, Laboratoire de Physique Stellaire et Planetaire, Verrieres-le-Buisson, Essonne, France), AB(CNRS, Laboratoire de Physique Stellaire et Planetaire, Verrieres-le-Buisson, Essonne, France), AC(CNRS, Laboratoire de Physique Stellaire et Planetaire, Verrieres-le-Buisson, Essonne, France), AD(Meudon Observatoire, Hauts-de-Seine; Paris XI, Universite, Orsay, Essonne, France)

Publication: Astrophysical Journal, Part 1, vol. 223, July 15, 1978, p. 589-600. (ApJ Homepage)

Publication Date: 07/1978

Category: Astrophysics

Origin: STI

NASA/STI Keywords: ASTRONOMICAL MODELS, DEUTERIUM, HYDROGEN ATOMS, INTERSTELLAR GAS, SOLAR SYSTEM, ABUNDANCE, EARLY STARS, GAS DENSITY, INTERSTELLAR EXTINCTION


Comment: A&AA ID. AAA021.131.209

DOI: 10.1086/156294

Bibliographic Code: 1978ApJ...223..589V


Observational arguments in favor of such a cloud are presented, and implications of the presence of a nearby cloud are discussed, including possible changes in terrestrial climate. It is suggested that the postulated interstellar cloud should encounter the solar system at some unspecified time in the near future and might have a drastic influence on terrestrial climate in the next 10,000 years.

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It was at first believed that the time when the Earth would experience dramatic climate change due to this interstellar cloud would be 10,000 years, but more recent research states that within this century the Earth would experience such changes, but obviously we have already been experiencing the changes.

We have been SLOWLY feeling the effects. Supposedly within 100 years we will be inside this new interstellar cloud, but we are feeling right now it's effects.

Ribbon at Edge of Our Solar System: Will the Sun Enter a Million-Degree Cloud of Interstellar Gas?
ScienceDaily (May 24, 2010) — Is the Sun going to enter a million-degree galactic cloud of interstellar gas soon?

Scientists from the Space Research Centre of the Polish Academy of Sciences, Los Alamos National Laboratory, Southwest Research Institute, and Boston University suggest that the ribbon of enhanced emissions of energetic neutral atoms, discovered last year by the NASA Small Explorer satellite IBEX, could be explained by a geometric effect coming up because of the approach of the Sun to the boundary between the Local Cloud of interstellar gas and another cloud of a very hot gas called the Local Bubble. If this hypothesis is correct, IBEX is catching matter from a hot neighboring interstellar cloud, which the Sun might enter in a hundred years.
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The Sun traveling through the Galaxy happens to cross at the present time a blob of gas about ten light-years across, with a temperature of 6-7 thousand degrees kelvin. This so-called Local Interstellar Cloud is immersed in a much larger expanse of a million-degree hot gas, named the Local Bubble. The energetic neutral atoms (ENA) are generated by charge exchange at the interface between the two gaseous media. ENA can be observed provided the Sun is close enough to the interface. The apparent Ribbon of ENA discovered by the IBEX satellite can be explained by a geometric effect: one observes many more ENA by looking along a line-of-sight almost tangent to the interface than by looking in the perpendicular direction. (Credit: SRC/Tentaris,ACh/Maciej Frolow)

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Read this from 1996 when they thought it was farther away.

Our solar system may be headed for an encounter with a dense cloud of interstellar matter
Our solar system may be headed for an encounter with a dense cloud of interstellar matter–gas and dust–that could have substantial implications for our solar systems interplanetary environment, according to University of Chicago astrophysicist Priscilla Frisch. The good news is that it probably won’t happen for 50,000 years. Frisch presented the results of her research Monday, June 10, at the meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Madison, Wisc.

Frisch has been investigating the interstellar gas in the local neighborhood of our solar system, which is called the Local Interstellar Medium (LISM). This interstellar gas is within 100 light years of the Sun. The Sun has a trajectory through space, and for most of the last five million years, said Frisch, it has been moving through a region of space between the spiral arms of the Milky Way galaxy that is almost devoid of matter. Only recently, within the last few thousand years, she estimates, the Sun has been traveling through a relatively low-density interstellar cloud.

“This cloud, although low density on average, has a tremendous amount of structure to it,” Frisch said. “And it is not inconsistent with our data that the Sun may eventually encounter a portion of the cloud that is a million times denser than what we’re in now.”

Frisch believes the interstellar cloud through which we’re traveling is a relatively narrow band of dust and gas that lies in a superbubble shell expanding outward from an active star-formation region called the Scorpius-Centaurus Association. “When this superbubble expanded around these stars, it expanded much farther into the region of our galaxy between the spiral arms, where our sun lies, because the density is very low,” Frisch said. “It didn’t expand very far in the direction parallel to the spiral arms because it ran into very dense molecular clouds.”
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The first time I started posting evidence for this was in this thread.

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Here is the newest thread where I decided to repost that information together.

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But you keep going along with the elites plan for population reduction by claiming we are the ones causing what nature and the universe is doing so they can control us easier... So go ahead and keep drinking that kool aid...

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Yes Electric let me also get this out there that the CO2 Increase in the atmosphere has been happening for 18,000 years since the Ice Started to melt; when we entered the Inter-Glacial Period.

We can also probably take into account for an increase of 2ppm per year is probably because of some of the lost carbon dumps by deforestation caused by humans and/or forest fires.


Wikipedia- Carbon Cycle- The Biosphere

The most important autotrophs for the carbon cycle are trees in forests on land and phytoplankton in the Earth's oceans. Photosynthesis follows the reaction 6CO2 + 6H2O → C6H12O6 + 6O2

Most carbon leaves the biosphere through respiration. When oxygen is present, aerobic respiration occurs, which releases carbon dioxide into the surrounding air or water, following the reaction C6H12O6 + 6O2 → 6CO2 + 6H2O. Otherwise, anaerobic respiration occurs and releases methane into the surrounding environment, which eventually makes its way into the atmosphere or hydrosphere (e.g., as marsh gas or flatulence).

Carbon storage in the biosphere is influenced by a number of processes on different time-scales: while net primary productivity follows a diurnal and seasonal cycle, carbon can be stored up to several hundreds of years in trees and up to thousands of years in soils. Changes in those long term carbon pools (e.g. through de- or afforestation or through temperature-related changes in soil respiration) may thus affect global climate change.

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Essan take note to the above information

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Yes Electric let me also get this out there that the CO2 Increase in the atmosphere has been happening for 18,000 years since the Ice Started to melt; when we entered the Inter-Glacial Period.

We can also probably take into account for an increase of 2ppm per year is probably because of some of the lost carbon dumps by deforestation caused by humans and/or forest fires.


Wikipedia- Carbon Cycle- The Biosphere

The most important autotrophs for the carbon cycle are trees in forests on land and phytoplankton in the Earth's oceans. Photosynthesis follows the reaction 6CO2 + 6H2O → C6H12O6 + 6O2

Most carbon leaves the biosphere through respiration. When oxygen is present, aerobic respiration occurs, which releases carbon dioxide into the surrounding air or water, following the reaction C6H12O6 + 6O2 → 6CO2 + 6H2O. Otherwise, anaerobic respiration occurs and releases methane into the surrounding environment, which eventually makes its way into the atmosphere or hydrosphere (e.g., as marsh gas or flatulence).

Carbon storage in the biosphere is influenced by a number of processes on different time-scales: while net primary productivity follows a diurnal and seasonal cycle, carbon can be stored up to several hundreds of years in trees and up to thousands of years in soils. Changes in those long term carbon pools (e.g. through de- or afforestation or through temperature-related changes in soil respiration) may thus affect global climate change.

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Essan take note to the above information

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Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the mind of a stage 5 climate denier:

Anytime someone presents some real scientific evidence that destroys your nonsensical argument apparently it's just "lies", and can "easily be debunked". Even though you've NEVER - not once - actualy been able to show this.

Meanwhile when someone like me makes some claim about climate deniers like you - you manage to come right back and prove it in your own posts. Here's the latest hilarious example:

Let's actually listen to a real SCIENTIST, and what he has to say about what the left-wing media and policymakers, as well as the main proponents of the AGW scam have been doing to TRY to bury the truth...

Yeah a "real SCIENTIST" huh? One with an totally unbiased and honest agenda, right?

Dr. David Deming:

- previously an associate professor at the ConocoPhilips School of Geology and Geophysics
- associate editor for the academic journal Petroleum Geoscience
- does not believe in Peak Oil
- does not believe in renewable energy technology and has repeatedly argued against it
- belongs to a number of conservative think tanks


Wow yeah he really sounds like such an honest, truthy "real" scientist! And not at all like yet another neocon ideologue who just wants to keep the world addicted to oil.

And the best part is in the first part of your video - there's good ole Senator James Inhofe, anti-AGW freedom fighter extraordinaire. The same man who delusionally defends fracking and the same idiot who once even made the absurd claim that oil and gas "don't pollute".


Keep up the great work EU

Every post I make about how so-called skeptic arguments against AGW are nothing but fraudluent memes pushed by fossil fuel industry shills and right wing ideologues gets completely backed up every time you decide to hit the submit button on one of your ignorant rants.

And every point I make about how these people are accomplishing their propaganda by manipulating a clueless, loudmouth, anti-intellectual army of sock puppets to spread their disinformation for them gets...well...let's just say this: YOU are Exhibit A.

And I see you've made friends with Exhibit B, how cute. You two can go smashing around in the China shop together now, and high-five each other on how much you've cracked "the scam" lol.

(keep playing right into it)

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Ok, throw the baby out with the bath water huh?

I don't care who he is really, he is repeating the truth. I am a get off oil Environmentalist who supports alternative fuels and promote the ones I know work when I am on ATS. I see big oil controlling that but there is no way they controlled the ice core data. There is no way they made Mastedons appear in Siberia in a flash frozen state with food in their belly's. There is only one truth here and that is global temperature averages NORMALLY go through tremendous highs and lows over millenia, period. You will NEVER EVER understand what is happening if you are not willing to study and PROPERLY consider this thing I feel is fact. It matters not who's payroll this man was on, he spoke the truth when he said they wanted to make all the previous studies concerning the medieval warming period disappear. The 'Hockey Stick" gragh is our dead sure proof they did if the emails are somehow in doubt Mc.