The worst attempt to justify Global Warming... Ever

reply to post by yadboy


You poor poor thing.
You get my chuckle for the day. The tilt that causes winter/summer has existed since the planet has formed, and it has never changed, and it has allowed all the pretty things we see to flourish.
That is just business.

What people on here are saying is that the sun is actually getting warmer, and that is what is causing the heat up. Not the natural occurence.

See, it can't be something simple like man made pollution, but they will make this H U G E leap that the biggest baddest body in our solar system is changing, having a tantrum, and that is causing problems. Oh wait its aliens shooting lazer beams at us. Me personally, I think all the alien gods are mad at us.. It is ANYTHING but pollution.

Of course the sun affects the planet, it is called the cycle of life. If the Sun changes, we would know it.

reply to post by Majic

Ups And Downs

According to the IPCC, global average temperatures have continued to rise, even since 1998.

You're quoting a source from the IPCC ever heard of Climate gate.??

They only collected and compiled data from the sensors /weather stations that showed a warming trend, to fit their agenda. So their Data is not a reliable Source.

I'm sorry but people need to realize the climate is always changing and always has throughout Earths History the effect we have on the climate compared to the Natural Fluctuations in the Earths climate are minimal and meager at best.

Proof Global Warming is Fraud- My Thread

My Thread above.


Summarizing the Total Contribution of Human CO2 emmisions to the Green House Effect.- Debunking Anthropogenic Global Warming - Scientific Anaylsis

GreenHouse Gases - A lesson On Greenhouse Gases.

Refer to the Data laid out in these two Posts as well

De-Bunking Recent Extreme Weather- That many think is Human induced

3 Major Studies Come to same Conclusion- Sun spots may show significant increase starting in 2015- Cooling trend for 20-100 years

reply to post by nixie_nox

What people on here are saying is that the sun is actually getting warmer, and that is what is causing the heat up. Not the natural occurence.

Yes the sun has a large effect on the mean temperature of the Earth but there are several other major factors as well.


We are in an inter-glacial period which usually lasts 20,000-30,000 years yes the Earth usually gets warmer in the Inter-glacial periods; but after every inter-glacial period we enter an ice-age for about 100,000-120,000 years. Refer to Data Here.

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The Earth was actually much warmer 3-5 million years ago about 4-6 C Warmer or even more.

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Refer to post here for Explanation on The Decrease in Temperature from 3-5 Million Years ago.


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3 million years ago Earth plunged into an Ice age Cycle Fluctuation with the Connection of North America To South America.

reply to post by Majic


It's hard to tell what the truth is when the government is involved. You could set up a series of weather stations and do a small scale study yourself, then you could bring us back some honest results in 10 years! I'd be interested in keeping up with your posts.

Wow, even with 98% of climate and environmental scientists agreeing that global warming is real, crazy people still find a way to doubt actual science. Global warming is real and that really isn't even up for debate. It's not caused by the sun or space aliens, or anything ridiculous like that. It is caused by pollution. It is a direct effect of factory farming, oil dependency, deforestation, and general lack of care for the planet. Anyone who says global warming isn't real is just looking for excuses to be lazy and to continue stuffing their face with factory farmed meat, driving their S.U.V., and all around apathy towards our planet. This is our home. This planet enables us to sustain our lives, isn't it time that we started enabling the planet to sustain its life?

Originally posted by PhoenixOD
reply to post by Essan

 

Sure, but my point was that just because a theory passes the peer review process doesnt mean its right and other peoples opinions dont matter. Opinions on wether man is causing global warming or cooling seem to change all the time and in the past the global temp has been vastly different in both directions.

Yes, but opinions are ony really changing on the manner and extent in which humans are affecting climate. But such is science - always changing as new info comes to light!

Theres a lot of people out there getting rich on the idea of global warming without being able to prove its happening

They might not be able to. But others can And do. It'

the BBC has not been open to debate on the subject yet 30 years ago it was them who were saying we were heading into another ice age.

Just because they broadcast a programme based on Nigel Calder's book (which, incidently, mentioned the fact that even then most climatoogiosts were expecting warming, not a new ice age) does not mean they supported the idea. Likewise, the fact they publish a news story based on new research does not mean they support the research. They are simply making it known to the public. As is their remit. What else should they do?

reply to post by Mike_A


Scientific consensus? HAHAH! You really aren't that deluded are you. There is a huge segment of climate scientists who are in opposition to Global Warming Theory. I believe you meant to say the governments official International Panel of Corrupt Clowns. Poor bastards who sold their reputations for a little grant money.

That's the real problem here, science and government funding. A match made in a despots wet dream.

Originally posted by Tephra
There is a huge segment of climate scientists who are in opposition to Global Warming Theory.

Okay there may be 1 or 2. Out of thousands.

I'm not aware of any? The only dispute is extent and cause. Some argue it's not just CO2

reply to post by TheUniverse


When the Earth warms or cools for an ice age, it is on pretty much a regular schedule. The warming and cooling takes about 8k-10k years.

Not 2 decades.

The CO2 released comes after the warm up, as a result of the oceans warming.

If the sun remains in a solar minimum, this will not cause another ice age, as current CO2 levels produced by man have 3 times the radiative effect of the Sun.

The interglacial periods, however, are not always so systematic, and some have reported to be as long as 28,000 years.

Not matter what the reason, no human should be able to observe a climate change in their lifetime.

Technically we should be at the end of the interglacial period by 1,000 years. The evidence of the cooling beginning would be the northern ice sheets growing and thickening, but they are not. They are shrinking.

The Earth is at a point where no natural warming should be occurring.

2009 was the lowest solar activity observed in a century. So why are we still warming up.

As for the warming a million years ago, that was a million years ago and whatever the driving factor was it has no bearing on what is going on today. In fact there have been several global warmings, but most can be contributed too volcanoes, earth tilt, etc.

Skeptics just LOVE to debate CO2. But CO2 isn't the only greenhouse gas that is playing here. There is ozone, methane,sulfer dioxide, nitrous oxide, hydrofluorocarbons,sulfer hexafluoride, and the list goes on.

As for recent crazy weather, it has to be more then a one time event for scientists to be concerned. They are very well aware of flukes. But when it happens more then a few times, and becomes a pattern, then it is looked at for climate potential.
For example, Florida is on the radar because it has been overly wet or in a drought for the past 30 years.

reply to post by TheUniverse


This is such as sad and hugely overdown tool of gw skeptics to bring up climate gate. It means you don't have anymore bullets in your gun. For one, a few emails don't negate the work of thousands of scientists, and the computer system was hacked when the emails were being uploaded and came under investigationg by a lot of authorities. The investigation was cleared and no fraud was found.

These arguements are as bad as listening to the birthers.

Originally posted by Cantmakedisup
Wow, even with 98% of climate and environmental scientists agreeing that global warming is real, crazy people still find a way to doubt actual science. Global warming is real and that really isn't even up for debate. It's not caused by the sun or space aliens, or anything ridiculous like that. It is caused by pollution. It is a direct effect of factory farming, oil dependency, deforestation, and general lack of care for the planet. Anyone who says global warming isn't real is just looking for excuses to be lazy and to continue stuffing their face with factory farmed meat, driving their S.U.V., and all around apathy towards our planet. This is our home. This planet enables us to sustain our lives, isn't it time that we started enabling the planet to sustain its life?

Wrong, simply wrong about the concensus!

I am one of a large number of professional environmental scientist getting my paycheck preventing pollution. I say your 98% comment is wrong. It is really closer to that many being against man made global warming amongst those who look at pollution/weather related data. We think this is being driven by geothermal cycles of things like volcano's, massive Sun flares that cause weather events within hours here on Earth and exrtra solar system events like cosmic rays. The sad thing for me is to see how the media laughs at any serious attempts to present the facts. As an example, ask yourself why the media would lie and say pollution in a national park would compare to Los Angeles? I have had to deal with that lie personally. My credibility is on the line with the public thanks to a lie like that. That lie did not pass the smell test or the one quick look test. Atlas is shrugging, 'tis Gault's Gulch or bust for me it appears.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by yadboy

 

You poor poor thing.
You get my chuckle for the day.

The tilt that causes winter/summer has existed since the planet has formed, and it has never changed, and it has allowed all the pretty things we see to flourish.
That is just business.

You obviously have reading comprehension problems, the point was not that the tilt is something new, but that a small change to our system can make a big difference. Nice try at misdirection though.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
What people on here are saying is that the sun is actually getting warmer, and that is what is causing the heat up. Not the natural occurence.

Actually I think most people believe that the solar maximums and minimums have a much greater effect of global temperature than a little extra CO2. I tend to agree with them. I don't think people are assuming the solar maximum is not a natural occurrence.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
See, it can't be something simple like man made pollution, but they will make this H U G E leap that the biggest baddest body in our solar system is changing, having a tantrum, and that is causing problems. Oh wait its aliens shooting lazer beams at us. Me personally, I think all the alien gods are mad at us.. It is ANYTHING but pollution.

Are you for real? So the most energetic source of radiation, heat and light in our solar systems is less likely to have an effect of us than some particulates and water vapor in the atmosphere? Wow, just wow.

reply to post by Justoneman


I disagree with you. And all the climate scientists I am in contact with concur. But obviously you may be right. Such is science.

As a scientist, have you contributed to any papers recently so that we can see where you are coming from?

reply to post by yadboy


I recall Hitler's plan was to dumb down the populace so they would not perceive the injustices. It worked so well that I am certain the political scientists for all surviving governments noticed.

"The red or the blue pill Neo". Take one of them, you wake up from the matrix, take the other, you go back to sleep and nothing ever happened. I choose to be awake. I hope others join this idea before it is too late.

reply to post by Justoneman


Oops

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Okay, I seem to be in the minority here: but I shall wade in fearlessly nonetheless!
I do believe that the activities of man arecontributing to climate change. And, yes, I am on board with the change in terminology from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change".
I also believe that this a natural process which would have happened without us, we are just changing the timeline.
In the movie "The Day After Tomorrow" it starts out with a drop in the saline content of the ocean due to increased fresh water from glacial melt. And then the North Atlantic Drift Current breaks down and WHAM instant ice age. That was a movie. In real life, the saline content has been dropping slightly due to increased fresh water from melt, and the North Atlantic Drift current broke up in certain parts this past winter and the U.K got slammed. Increased warming would continue this trend.
I read a China/coal/sulphur article last night and, to me it makes sense. The sulphur is a shorter term pollutant. One that got cleaned up in the U.S. and Canada. Warming accelerated after we cleaned ours up. Some people even talk about using sulphur to try and slow warming. Warming will eventually lead to cooling.
To many that may make no sense, but with or without man that would have happened. It is a natural system and when it gets too hot the ocean currents change from the fresh water. Equatorial warm water is not circulated as far away from the Equator. Ice forms and reflects the sunlight away near the poles. The earth cools. (Volcanoes are also likely involved in the reaction to heat and then their output contributes to cooling: ash blocking sun, sulphur, etc.). When it gets cold enough that a lot of water has gotten locked up in glaciers the salinity of the ocean increases, and it starts to warm up as the water circulates again.
I do believe our fossil fuel use contributes. I really, really do!
But, eventually it would happen anyway.

An Irritating Truth

Originally posted by Mapkar
It's hard to tell what the truth is when the government is involved. You could set up a series of weather stations and do a small scale study yourself, then you could bring us back some honest results in 10 years! I'd be interested in keeping up with your posts.

That still wouldn't resolve the question of why the IPCC claims one thing and this study (reportedly) bases itself on a contradictory claim, nor would it resolve the broader questions of global climate.

Did global average temperatures rise, fall or stay the same between 1998 and 2008? The IPCC and this PNAS study appear to disagree on that very basic question.

What is the truth? In this case, knowing whether global average temperatures are, in fact, actually rising, falling or staying the same would be a helpful start. Drawing conclusions without even knowing that would be meaningless.

Can anyone offer a credible answer to this simple question?

Originally posted by Majic
Can anyone offer a credible answer to this simple question?

Well as is pointed out in the article - temperatures only "fall" from 1998 to 2008 if you use these particularly cherry-picked end points;

So while you may not see a temperature rise if you start the series in 1998, you do see one if you begin with 1997 or 1999.

The consistent conclusion is that the 2000's as a decade were still warmer than the 90's, which were warmer than the 80's, which were warmer than the 70's - and an overall warming trend is still very apparent.

As for the report, none of this is particularly Earth-shattering news. It's long been known that aerosols create a cooling effect, and the fact that the IPCC didn't mention China's recent contribution to this effect is likely because the last IPCC report was in 2007.

This will probably be included in the next IPCC assessment (in 2013)

reply to post by mc_squared

Excellent! Thanks for a straightforward answer.

reply to post by Majic


Hey no problem - defusing climate confusion is kinda my thing lol


There's a LOT of disinformation out there, and cherry-picking is one of the most common tools used to spread it around. Here's a fantastic vid on the 1998 meme:



I recommend watching all of greenman's 'Climate Crock' videos for anyone truly interested in disseminating the disinfo on global warming.

For the more traditional words-on-a-screen version, there's also skepticalscience.com.

Cheers!