Bush and John 3:16

This came in my email this morning.

Bush and John 3:16

Worth thinking about . .

The Lord has a way of revealing those of us who really know him, and
those that don't!!! Think about it!

Bush gave a big speech last week about how his faith is so "important"
to him. In this attempt to convince the American people that we should
consider him for president, he announced that his favorite Bible verse
is John 16:3.

Of course the speech writer meant John 3:16, but nobody in the Bush
camp was familiar enough with scripture to catch the error. And do you
know what John 16:3 says?


John 16:3 says; "And they will do these things [to YOU], because they have not known the Father, nor me. (n)


The Holy Spirit works in strange ways. Pass it on. VOTE, VOTE, VOTE!!

That's pretty funny, hehe...

Didn't know Bush was a Baptist...as that's THE signature verse for them pretty much, hehe....

I even know it by heart, as I was raised one...

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that whoesoever belieth in him, shall not perish, but have everlasting life.

That said, this isn't a good choice either, as it could be used to show his approval of the return of the draft!!!

LOL yea looks like Bush can kiss his everlasting life good bye.

Another mass e-mail that isn't true.

www.snopes.com...

*snicker, snicker*

I wonder what Freud would say about such a slip of the tongue?...

Maybe there is more to divine intervention than I thought....hmmm

Even if it isn't true, Bush is not a faithful Christian. He drinks, does drugs, lies, has people killed, steals and whatever else.

Wow! Great find Ycon. Do you have a link for Bush saying John 16:3?

I think it is important to include verse 2, to show what Jesus was talking about. Here is the New King James Version of the two verses.

They will put you out of the synagogues; yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service.

And these things they will do to you because they have not known the Father nor Me.

So the "things they will do to you" refer to murder in the name of God. George Bush has certainly committed murder in the name of God. No question. Ask 17,000 dead Iraqi civilians and their families.

It is well established that such Freudian slips frequently reveal the true meaning of the speaker. The truth is that George Bush does not know the Father, nor the Son. The truth is that the person George Bush worships as Jesus Christ is actually Satan. All true Christians understand what Jesus meant when he said that "by their fruits you will know them" (Matthew 7:20, NKJV). The fruits of George Bush are death, destruction, and a $445 billion budget deficit.

As I said, Bush worships Satan, not Jesus Christ.

Here is truth, for those who have ears to hear it.

Pope = Antichrist

United States of America = Second Beast (Revelation 13:11)

Bush = Hitler




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Originally posted by Ycon
Even if it isn't true, Bush is not a faithful Christian. He drinks, does drugs, lies, has people killed, steals and whatever else.

Why do most people assume that Christians are perfect? That stereotype is getting really old. No one is perfect and no religion is perfect. So what if he does those things...that is why there is forgiveness and the understanding that we are not perfect and all have fallen short.

Originally posted by donguillermo
It is well established that such Freudian slips frequently reveal the true meaning of the speaker. The truth is that George Bush does not know the Father, nor the Son. The truth is that the person George Bush worships as Jesus Christ is actually Satan. All true Christians understand what Jesus meant when he said that "by their fruits you will know them (Matthew 7:20, NKJV). The fruits of George Bush are death, destruction, and a $445 billion budget deficit.

Is that REALLY well established? But when anyone else makes one, well that is ok...but it's Bush. If that were Kerry, we all know what you would say. So, you state the truth is Bush worships Satan. Prove it.

As I said, Bush worships Satan, not Jesus Christ.

Here is truth, for those who have ears to hear it.

Pope = Antichrist

United States of America = Second Beast (Revelation 13:11)

Bush = Hitler

Alright then mister "truth" speaker...you demand complete proof and facts regarding all things Kerry, how about the same courtesy? Please provide proof of these "truths".

Thanks much.

Originally posted by donguillermo
Wow! Great find Ycon. Do you have a link for Bush saying John 16:3?

I think it is important to include verse 2, to show what Jesus was talking about. Here is the New King James Version of the two verses.

They will put you out of the synagogues; yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service.

And these things they will do to you because they have not known the Father nor Me.

So the "things they will do to you" refer to murder in the name of God. George Bush has certainly committed murder in the name of God. No question. Ask 17,000 dead Iraqi civilians and their families.

It is well established that such Freudian slips frequently reveal the true meaning of the speaker. The truth is that George Bush does not know the Father, nor the Son. The truth is that the person George Bush worships as Jesus Christ is actually Satan. All true Christians understand what Jesus meant when he said that "by their fruits you will know them" (Matthew 7:20, NKJV). The fruits of George Bush are death, destruction, and a $445 billion budget deficit.

As I said, Bush worships Satan, not Jesus Christ.

Here is truth, for those who have ears to hear it.

Pope = Antichrist

United States of America = Second Beast (Revelation 13:11)

Bush = Hitler




[edit on 8/11/2004 by donguillermo]

Did you not see that this isn't true?

Originally posted by donguillermo

As I said, Bush worships Satan, not Jesus Christ.

[edit on 8/11/2004 by donguillermo]

How dare you!!!! How DAre you say such horrible disgusting things!!

I simply cannot believe that you would be such a horrible repulsive individual as to smear the name of Satan by associating him with followers such as Bush.

Wraith

Originally posted by BlackShadow

Originally posted by Ycon
Even if it isn't true, Bush is not a faithful Christian. He drinks, does drugs, lies, has people killed, steals and whatever else.

Why do most people assume that Christians are perfect? That stereotype is getting really old. No one is perfect and no religion is perfect. So what if he does those things...that is why there is forgiveness and the understanding that we are not perfect and all have fallen short.

Right no one is perfect BlackShadow, but Bush is not even close. How can you defend him? Because he's your president that's suppose to be working for the people? Forgiveness and understanding of Bush has come and gone. For 4 years the people have forgiven him and tried to understand his motives. Where does it stop? Are we suppose to be nice citizens and continue to put up with this stuff? Let the Government distroy our country for his greed and stupidity?

I think not !!!

Zedd, like Bush said, if your not for us your against us. If he was with God he wouldn't do the things he has done.

Ycon

Originally posted by wraith30

Originally posted by donguillermo

As I said, Bush worships Satan, not Jesus Christ.

[edit on 8/11/2004 by donguillermo]

How dare you!!!! How DAre you say such horrible disgusting things!!

I simply cannot believe that you would be such a horrible repulsive individual as to smear the name of Satan by associating him with followers such as Bush.

Wraith

Do you ever have anything useful to say, or anything that can contribute to the conversation, besides ridiculous things like this. What a waste of bandwidth!

Originally posted by mpeake

Do you ever have anything useful to say, or anything that can contribute to the conversation, besides ridiculous things like this. What a waste of bandwidth!

I don't know.. why dont you try looking arround at some of my posts and find out. Or we can ask arround.

I think that the occasional post with Dark humor are infact needed.

I believe in the importance of being able to laugh. It's healthy.

Now if you want a statement that coudl be "Contributing to a conversation I suppost I could turn this thread into a huge religious debate but as i honeslty do not believe in the Crhistians god or Satan that would be pointless. entertaining .. but pointless.

Also this Thread is basicly dead as the information that started it, even thought I truely wish it were true, was infact discredited. Therefor any further discusion should probibly be put into a new thread.

Wraith

Originally posted by Ycon
Zedd, like Bush said, if your not for us your against us. If he was with God he wouldn't do the things he has done.

Ycon

Sure he would....Yahweh, the old style God that was about smiting people with a donkey jawbone and such. Fire, floods, turing people to salt, etc, etc...

I guess God changed his mind and is nice to all now?

Originally posted by YconJohn 16:3 says; "And they will do these things [to YOU], because they have not known the Father, nor me. (n)

um he said 3:16, not 16:3....

3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

OK it looks like George Bush didn't make the John 16:3 mistake but, his father did. You know the old saying, like father, like son

Comments: What goes around comes around. This embarrassing verbal gaffe was originally attributed to Vice President (and presidential candidate) Al Gore in 1999 and widely disseminated by conservatives, including radio commentator Paul Harvey.

Gore never said it; neither did President G.W. Bush.

According to newspaper columnist Cal Thomas, this very mistake was made by G.W. Bush's father, however, during a speech before a religious broadcasters' conference in 1990. Thomas recounts witnessing the incident in his book,"Blinded by Might: Can the Religious Right Save America."

urbanlegends.about.com...

Originally posted by ZeddicusZulZorander
[I guess God changed his mind and is nice to all now?

Does that mean that the Bush camp is going to start calling their God a flip-floper?

wraith

Originally posted by ZeddicusZulZorander

Originally posted by donguillermo
It is well established that such Freudian slips frequently reveal the true meaning of the speaker. The truth is that George Bush does not know the Father, nor the Son. The truth is that the person George Bush worships as Jesus Christ is actually Satan. All true Christians understand what Jesus meant when he said that "by their fruits you will know them (Matthew 7:20, NKJV). The fruits of George Bush are death, destruction, and a $445 billion budget deficit.

Is that REALLY well established?

If you have an argument with Sigmund Freud, take it up with him.

But when anyone else makes one, well that is ok...but it's Bush.

If that were Kerry, we all know what you would say.

Here you go again. You have no answer to my post, so you construct a hypothetical situation, then give your opinion of what would happen in that hypothetical situation. That is a pathetic argumentative technique. I just wanted to make clear that I am calling your argumentative technique pathetic, not you.

So, you state the truth is Bush worships Satan. Prove it.

You argue like a college sophomore. Here's your proof. Jesus Christ said, "by their fruits you will know them." QED.

As I said, Bush worships Satan, not Jesus Christ.

Here is truth, for those who have ears to hear it.

Pope = Antichrist

United States of America = Second Beast (Revelation 13:11)

Bush = Hitler

Alright then mister "truth" speaker...you demand complete proof and facts regarding all things Kerry, how about the same courtesy? Please provide proof of these "truths".

Sure. Bush worships Satan. Already covered.

Pope = Antichrist

On ceremonial occasions, the Pope wears a crown with the Latin inscription "VICARIVS FILII DEI", which translates "Vicar of the Son of God," or "he who rules in place of the Son of God." In ancient times, a practice known as gematria was very popular. Gematria consists of assigning numerical values to letters, then adding up the numerical values of the letters of a name. If you assign Roman Numeral values to letters which are part of the Roman Numeral system, and zero to all other letters, you get the following.

V = 5
I = 1
C = 100
A = 0
R = 0
I = 1
V = 5
S = 0
F = 0
I = 1
L = 50
I = 1
I = 1
D = 500
E = 0
I = 1

Add them up, you get 666.

"Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666." (Revelation 13:18, NKJV)

United States of America = Second Beast of Revelation. I would have to write a book on the symbolism and timelines of Bible prophecy to prove this. This statement is widely accepted among students of Bible prophecy. Briefly, if you read Revelation 13:1-10, you read the story of a beast with seven heads and ten horns. Beasts in Biblical prophecy represent nations, kingdoms, or political powers generally. A consideration of the prophetic timelines of Daniel and Revelation has led many Bible scholars to conclude that the first beast is the Papacy, or, more generally, the Roman Empire under the rule of the Pope. A well-established principle of Bible prophecy is that one day represents one year. There are several Bible verses to support this principle. The 42 months in verse 5 represent the 1260 years of Papal rule from 538 A.D. to 1798 A.D. In 1798 A.D., a general of Napoleon removed the Pope from his throne, thus ending any claim by the Pope of political power. This is the deadly wound that was healed, referred to in verse 3.

The second beast, referred to in verse 11, comes up out of the earth in the same time frame as the wounding of the first beast, which is 1798. "Out of the earth" is interpreted to mean a sparsely populated area of the earth. As I said, a beast represents a nation or political power. So what nation came into being around 1798, far away from the nations of Europe, and supported the first beast? Hint: The initials are USA.

If you do not have a solid background in Bible prophecy, I cannot prove this statement to you, any more than I could prove a theorem about differential equations, if you do not have a background in advanced mathematics.

Bush = Hitler. Easy.

Bush/Hitler Links

It is obvious you are reading all my posts, and harassing me whenever you see an opening. That is called thread stalking. It is unbecoming for a moderator to engage in this practice, especially since you and I are members of opposing teams in the Campaign Issues Forum.

Originally posted by donguillermo
Here you go again. You have no answer to my post, so you construct a hypothetical situation, then give your opinion of what would happen in that hypothetical situation. That is a pathetic argumentative technique. I just wanted to make clear that I am calling your argumentative technique pathetic, not you.

It is obvious you are reading all my posts, and harassing me whenever you see an opening. That is called thread stalking. It is unbecoming for a moderator to engage in this practice, especially since you and I are members of opposing teams in the Campaign Issues Forum.

I state that if this was about Kerry...it would be ignored, but it is about Bush so THAT makes it big issue. You call THAT pathetic and then post that the Pope has 666 written on his hat??? Oh you are a riot...

Why you INSIST on everything being so confrontational, I'll never know...but you can come out and make a statement that Bush worships Satan and THAT is a good "argumentative technique"?

Well, I am not a hypocrite at least...

As for your "thread stalking" comment, I read and post all over this site. Many people here KNOW I was a constant poster the Political Debate forum (former Mud Pit) and post on a great many topics. You can stop the incessant "poor me" story anytime, it really IS getting old. If you have any more "unbecoming of a mod" statements...then make a complaint, but just because I am a staff member doesn't mean I am not entitled to post just like anyone else.

Finally, don't even think you're important enough for me to spend my time "following" you.

ps) Oh and all of your "proof" is nothing but opinion and conjecture.