Iran Ridicules July 4th: America is Not Independent

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
I'm curious as to what it is that all you folks who agree with the sentiment actually think "independance" is?

do you mean having no dependancy on anyone else at all for anything, like, say North Korea tries to do - becoming an autarky?

So you'd give up all imported oil, food, steel, cars, electronics, etc., and jsut use what you make yourselves?

There's a lot of talk about dependance on banks - so do you mean having no dependance on the international monetary system - so you'd not be able to exchange money, or you'd return to a purely precious metal economy and do away with all the wealth that can't actually be produced as gold or silver or some other "hard" currency? (which I'm guessing would immediately impoverish everyone except the banks who hold it.....and result in most of it flowing out of hte country in short order and leave you with nothing at all to trade with the rest of the world with so making you an autarcky again)

does it mean independance for individuals to go chop down some trees, make a log cabin, and live entirely seperate from the rest of the world - and how would that work fo all 300 million of you??

What is it exactly you think "independance" is in a global interconnected world, and what effects do you think your version of it would have on life in the USA?

Its quite simple actually.

You only depend on things that are dependable.

Fascist, hedonists, corporatists, capitalists... Not reliable at all..

reply to post by jetlife


"PRESS TV, totally funded by the Islamic Republic and a mouthpiece for the Islamic regime, told its readers, “America is no longer the land of the free. It is now ruled by oligarchs and corporatists. And it is no longer governed by the rule of law. The rich, the powerful and the politically connected abide by their own, very different, set of laws.” "

This is actually false.. Press TV was quoting, to wit:

“America is no longer the land of the free. It is now ruled by oligarchs and corporatists. And it is no longer governed by the rule of law. The rich, the powerful and the politically connected abide by their own, very different, set of laws.” independentreport.blogspot.com

www.presstv.ir...

This idea the messenger was "Iran" is dumb, first off.. as if all of Iran unified to deliver this message... but ultimately they were just quoting some bloggers quip of that sad sate of affairs.

Originally posted by aorAki

Originally posted by princeofpeace
I only hope and pray someone fires up the furnaces and let them experience thier own version of auschwitz.

Really?
You, boy, disgust me.

edit on 4-7-2011 by aorAki because: (no reason given)

I agree. absolutely disgusting sentiment, it is morons like you that allow th emass stupidity that is destroying the west,

i dont doubt you dislike Iran.... i doubt however you know why, because they bad mouthed your country? lets be honest the president of Iran is right we are no more free than the people there, oppression comes in many forms.

i am from the UK, we suffer the same problem as america, we have no control over the descision making in our country, the people forget too quickly lessons that were meant to learned from past mistakes, we in the west are destined to fall because we allow ourselves to be controlled, thorugh money, sex, TV, we are nullified,

i live what i would deem as a good life in the west, my family are mostly happy and i enjoy luxuries they cannot in Iran or anywhere in the middle east or Asia or similar that is oppresed, i however still feel oppressed as most do on this site, yet like most i would rather complain than stand up for myself, at least in the middle eastern countries and africa people fight for there beliefs, even if it is a lost cause.

i dont see the point in the OP because its now just page for people to vent either there hatred for Iran or there hatred for the US, but like every other time on here it will be one post... then forgotten.

it shows how nullified we all are... no one is willing to fight.

Originally posted by mishigas
reply to post by pirell

 

Iran's moral standing in my opinion is much higher than that of the US in as much as it may be talking from a hypocritical perspective...but press TV, like RT asks the questions that our so called media will never ask and inform us of much of the truth that affects our world

Really? Which part?

The part where they hang gays from lamposts in the streets of the city?

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/e066d7d399e5.jpeg[/atsimg]

Or the part where they stone women?

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/5a653340fadd.jpg[/atsimg]

Yeah, they are so morally superior to us.

The picture of the alleged homosexual hanging is not the full story. and another pure example of what i am talking about, judeo-christian Zionist propaganda spreading lies and distortions. Iran executes alot of people in capital punishment, but the US is not so far behind, whats more regarding that gay hanging even Paula Ettelbrick, executive director of the International Gay & Lesbian Human Rights Commission, told the press, “It was not a gay case" but a case of sexual molestation of a 13 yr old boy. The speed at which the cae was carried out and execution performed is another matter, as well as the whole court case and sentencing, but no more Iffy than the executions that take place in the US with very skimpy evidence brought against suspects who just didnt fit the social values the wider community claim to adhere to.

Human Rights watch even stated that

Human Rights Watch has stated "There is no evidence that this was a consensual act," and observed that "The bulk of evidence suggests that the youths were tried on allegations of raping a 13-year-old, with the suggestion that they were tried for consensual homosexual conduct seemingly based almost entirely on mistranslations and on cursory news reporting magnified by the Western press." Human Rights Watch also stated that it was "deeply disturbed by the apparent indifference of many people to the alleged rape of a 13-year old

so, i am not here defending Iran totally for its policies and social justice. however, like i stated before and as your statement and pictures just proved, you appear to be driven by your hatred for Iran and that statement not because you are really concerned about social injustice around the world but out of the depth of your hatred, trumped up by the very zionist forces that are destroying your own country.

It completely baffles me how anyone who agrees with much of the information on tis forum, that is aware of the overwhelming evidence that points to a covert false flag incident carried out BY arms of the US govt and other collaborators to Murder all the innocent people in the twin towers on 9/11 and plunge an even greater figure of americans to their deaths in the 2 resulting wars, and the millions of non americans who have died as a result, can actually sit here with chest beating patriotism asking how dare Iran critiscise the US??? what is there NOT to critiscise??

so again YES i say Iran has a greater moral standing in as much as it has its own moral injustices, and here is one of the biggest reasons why



so i hope you let that marinate on you while you post more pictures of the immorality of Iran over the US.

THIS: Excellent post. The only folks who are sticking up for Iran just hate the US but they have no idea that the Iranian regime would have these same folks HANGED if they stepped foot in that country. The below post is just exemplary of the great "MORAL" Iranian leadership!!!

Originally posted by pirell

Originally posted by mishigas
reply to post by pirell

 

Iran's moral standing in my opinion is much higher than that of the US in as much as it may be talking from a hypocritical perspective...but press TV, like RT asks the questions that our so called media will never ask and inform us of much of the truth that affects our world

Really? Which part?

The part where they hang gays from lamposts in the streets of the city?

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/e066d7d399e5.jpeg[/atsimg]

Or the part where they stone women?

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/5a653340fadd.jpg[/atsimg]

Yeah, they are so morally superior to us.

The picture of the alleged homosexual hanging is not the full story. and another pure example of what i am talking about, judeo-christian Zionist propaganda spreading lies and distortions. Iran executes alot of people in capital punishment, but the US is not so far behind, whats more regarding that gay hanging even Paula Ettelbrick, executive director of the International Gay & Lesbian Human Rights Commission, told the press, “It was not a gay case" but a case of sexual molestation of a 13 yr old boy. The speed at which the cae was carried out and execution performed is another matter, as well as the whole court case and sentencing, but no more Iffy than the executions that take place in the US with very skimpy evidence brought against suspects who just didnt fit the social values the wider community claim to adhere to.

Human Rights watch even stated that

Human Rights Watch has stated "There is no evidence that this was a consensual act," and observed that "The bulk of evidence suggests that the youths were tried on allegations of raping a 13-year-old, with the suggestion that they were tried for consensual homosexual conduct seemingly based almost entirely on mistranslations and on cursory news reporting magnified by the Western press." Human Rights Watch also stated that it was "deeply disturbed by the apparent indifference of many people to the alleged rape of a 13-year old

so, i am not here defending Iran totally for its policies and social justice. however, like i stated before and as your statement and pictures just proved, you appear to be driven by your hatred for Iran and that statement not because you are really concerned about social injustice around the world but out of the depth of your hatred, trumped up by the very zionist forces that are destroying your own country.

It completely baffles me how anyone who agrees with much of the information on tis forum, that is aware of the overwhelming evidence that points to a covert false flag incident carried out BY arms of the US govt and other collaborators to Murder all the innocent people in the twin towers on 9/11 and plunge an even greater figure of americans to their deaths in the 2 resulting wars, and the millions of non americans who have died as a result, can actually sit here with chest beating patriotism asking how dare Iran critiscise the US??? what is there NOT to critiscise??

so again YES i say Iran has a greater moral standing in as much as it has its own moral injustices, and here is one of the biggest reasons why



so i hope you let that marinate on you while you post more pictures of the immorality of Iran over the US.

and another thing, my uncle, a christian man has been to iran on many occasions, for trade. He will, like me, wonder why he was never hanged. I am still shocked at the remarks about Iran and how the "patriots" rushed out of the woodwork, at the very mention of FORIEGNER!! this is how they have you under wraps..by presenting a false enemy (muslims, immigrants, ethnics, liberals, conservatives etc) and the lap dogs lap it up every time while the real enemies continue to carry out their insider work of destruction...

so sad.

Originally posted by pirell
and another thing, my uncle, a christian man has been to iran on many occasions, for trade. He will, like me, wonder why he was never hanged. I am still shocked at the remarks about Iran and how the "patriots" rushed out of the woodwork, at the very mention of FORIEGNER!! this is how they have you under wraps..by presenting a false enemy (muslims, immigrants, ethnics, liberals, conservatives etc) and the lap dogs lap it up every time while the real enemies continue to carry out their insider work of destruction...

so sad.

Great posts! I have to really wonder just what all these jingoist whackos can point to that Iran has done to us? I already posted how we screwed them over real good but most of these guys do not know enough history to remember that.Hell we had ONE "attack", ahem, lost ~3000 people and we have used it to bomb how many countries? How many civilians die in bomb strikes? If dead bodies were money we would be getting a hella good ROI on those hapless 3000 innocent brothers and sisters.
But instead,OOH they are muslim! OOH! They built the same biggass bomb we use to threaten the world! OOOH Instead of locking some folks up forever they just kill them outright.OOOH,OOOH LOOK ,LOOK see what I was shown on TV!
I was born in a proud country that lost it's gleam one bad war after another till now I do not recognize the nation we have become.
seed

reply to post by pirell


He wasn't hanged because he presumably did not advocate freedom of religion, a free vote, and presumably his trading is seen as useful to the Islamic Republic.

He is in a privileged position as a valuable visitor.

Contrast his situatino with that of tourists who stray across the frontier.

BTW I am not American, nor a x-ian.....

That was the most feebled FAILED attempt at picking apart a thread i have ever seen. You still didnt say one thing that discounts what i said. The freedom of speech is a RIGHT and thats why we are able to do it....Here anyway. Try it in other countries. Plus the premise of this thread is from IRAN'S point of view. Who are they to say who is independent or free or not? Like i said before, i dont see too many folks from those radical muslim, Islamic extremist countries on this website....and there is a reason for that. Because they live somewhere that if someone even said a 10th of what is said on here-they would be killed.

Umm...i wasnt attempting to pick apart a thread.I also wasnt trying to discount what you said,i was just expressing my opinion.
Your right,freedom of speach is a right, but not because its on a piece of paper like the the first amendment.
Its a human right like alot of other things,but again,not because its on a piece of paper,i still have freedom of speach with or without the piece of paper,the government might not agree,but i still have my freedom of speach.
Everyone has freedom of speach,its depends on whether you use it or not.Iranians have the right to freedom of speach,but if they listen to their government and believe that they dont, well they are restricting their own freedom of speach by listening to them.

I agree. absolutely disgusting sentiment, it is morons like you that allow th emass stupidity that is destroying the west, i dont doubt you dislike Iran.... i doubt however you know why, because they bad mouthed your country? lets be honest the president of Iran is right we are no more free than the people there, oppression comes in many forms. i am from the UK, we suffer the same problem as america, we have no control over the descision making in our country, the people forget too quickly lessons that were meant to learned from past mistakes, we in the west are destined to fall because we allow ourselves to be controlled, thorugh money, sex, TV, we are nullified, i live what i would deem as a good life in the west, my family are mostly happy and i enjoy luxuries they cannot in Iran or anywhere in the middle east or Asia or similar that is oppresed, i however still feel oppressed as most do on this site, yet like most i would rather complain than stand up for myself, at least in the middle eastern countries and africa people fight for there beliefs, even if it is a lost cause. i dont see the point in the OP because its now just page for people to vent either there hatred for Iran or there hatred for the US, but like every other time on here it will be one post... then forgotten. it shows how nullified we all are... no one is willing to fight.

I agree,i feel the same way about it all.I wish we werent all too busy with our daily lives that we could unite and fight our enemys together.Unfortunately we have just been taught to just worry about our daily lives and not bother our leaders with trivial questions and problems.

So sad it is...

Originally posted by USAisdevil

Originally posted by Logarock

Originally posted by nh_ee

Iran freed themselves from the Rothschilds and Rockefellers

Iran doesnt go around the world using their military claiming to "Free" people in natural resource rich countries.
Though we don't understand their culture, The Iranians lead their lives and country the way in which they feel is correct and in alignment with their ancient culture.

What many here fail to recall is that They, The Iranians, actually rebelled and freed themselves from the rule of British Petroleum (Rothschilds) and Standard Oil (Rockefellers)....now Exxon.
When they ousted Big Oil's puppet , the Shah of Iran.

Yea now they just take it through the back door. China, Russia ect. The "Reds" Red Shield=Rothschilds!

Wake the blank up man! Iran number one distributor of heroin! WOW what a revolution! Big money american junki!

iran is not ... its afghanistan ..

Afghanistan is a producer the producer. Iran is the Pusher.

Iran is right.

HAhHahah. Shame on you.

Originally posted by Soldier of God

Originally posted by Scissorville

Originally posted by mishigas
reply to post by dubiousone

 

That's a pointless nihilistic response to the OP. What are you trying to say? You don't like the messenger, therefore you'll ignore the message and do nothing even though you acknowledge that the message is true? Your attitude is the epitome of the phrase "you are your own worst enemy"!

Yes, because I look at the messenger, question their motives and their own record, and promptly file this under the appropriate heading: Pure Iranian bullcrap propaganda. The stuff that America haters like you will tilt their head back like a turkey and swallow in one big gulp.

"America haters"... wow. How bout freedom lovers? What happened to you people over there? You used to praise the pure things in life. These days you're defending corporations, an out of control military agenda and a downright horrid treating of own citizens with your hand on your gun, ready to obliterate every friend out there trying to get you guys back on track?


You are truly lost. May God stand by you, as you let your great country slide into the abyss.




Scissorville.

And what pray tell has the mighty Denmark done for the world lately???
2nd...

Oh, you are waiting for a nation of 5 million citizens to show you the way? Wow. I'll get right on the manifesto you guys are waiting for, then...

You were the leading nation of the world and you lost your way. That's what were looking at here. You had the chance to be in the front of a revolution, but you chose to use that power to gain more power. Look where that put you today... And you still vigorously defend your government. That is simply sad.

Originally posted by mishigas
reply to post by Scissorville

 

Originally posted by mishigas
reply to post by dubiousone

Yes, because I look at the messenger, question their motives and their own record, and promptly file this under the appropriate heading: Pure Iranian bullcrap propaganda. The stuff that America haters like you will tilt their head back like a turkey and swallow in one big gulp.

"America haters"... wow. How bout freedom lovers? What happened to you people over there? You used to praise the pure things in life. These days you're defending corporations, an out of control military agenda and a downright horrid treating of own citizens with your hand on your gun, ready to obliterate every friend out there trying to get you guys back on track?


You are truly lost. May God stand by you, as you let your great country slide into the abyss.

Freedom lovers my hairy butt. You people can do one of two things when America is attacked: Defend her or at least be silent. Instead, you choose a 3rd option: Hold hands with Iran and condemn America.

And don't give me this " defending corporations, an out of control military agenda and a downright horrid treating of own citizens with your hand on your gun, ready to obliterate every friend out there trying to get you guys back on track" bullcrap. You're full of it. Sitting over there in Denmark with your own muslim and socialist and bedbug problems.

You have no room to talk.

You have to be absolutely crazy to think I would defend your country in case of an attack. Seriously. We are simply waiting for your country to crumble from within, so we can change this world for the better. That, however, has nothing to do with hating the USA. It has to do with realizing the USA is lost to powerhungy, war-horny money-junkies - aka your "government".

As long as YOU - the citizens of this once great nation - fail to realize the road to Hell you have begun to march down, we will never see a change within the USA. The people have simply given up and I, for one, don't blame them. I do however blame you - because as long as you are blindly defending your cause and your ways, things will never change. Give up your silly pride and walk with us towards a new paradigm, or hold hands with your government till you reach Hell.

Originally posted by mishigas
reply to post by newcovenant

 

I don't hate America and I think what he says has a ring of truth, In fact it is true - we are selling out.
You can tell the American haters because when they hear news like this it makes them happy.

Yeah, it makes you so happy that you jump right on the OP's bandwagon and agree agree agree. Then you defend Iran to boot.

Americans who cherish and love their country are saddened.

No, they are angered because what you say is pure bullcrap. The Americans I associate with are not these fictitious "defenders of banks and corps and blah blah blah" that you fantasize they are. My God, where do you dream this crap up at, anyway? From some video game or cartoon?

I know many Iranians and who are not supportive their government and support democracy.

It is your kind of thinking, petty and small demonizing a race of people for your political agenda that kills innocent people everyday. And you are not even ashamed of it.

This kind of racism disgusts me.
Sorry there isn't a pretty way to say it.

Originally posted by awareness10

Originally posted by newcovenant

Originally posted by BirdOfillOmen
They're kind of right, but all Iran is doing is taking advantage of our freedom of speech and pacifying what they are hearing Americans say about our own goverent.

I still raise a middle finger to Iran.

Again, will that make us more free?

When the Sheep wake up to the Illusion, the Dog will leave.

When the sheep are dead the dog will walk away to leave the stink of their rotting corpses behind him. This is what will happen if we do not wake up.

Funny how on every other thread NOBODY trusts the American government ...

and now all of a sudden...
is that the STAR SPANGLED BANNER I hear playing in the background?

I am touched and proud to be an American.
Now lets fix this country before it goes down the crapper on us.

reply to post by newcovenant

Funny how on every other thread NOBODY trusts the American government ...

and now all of a sudden...
is that the STAR SPANGLED BANNER I hear playing in the background?

America is not it's government. America is it's people and it's spirit. Seperate the two definitions and you will begin to see the truth.

reply to post by thoughtsfull


Yes, my apologies I can tend to overlook other factors sometimes in my suspicion of vested interests and see the elephant in the room when it may just be the result of last nights whisky.
Indeed I suppose one could go right back to the silk road and ancient Persia for an example of their strategic importance.
One element really intrigues me is how Zoroastraism still survives, albeit shrinking, in modern Iran and they view Islam as an invasion. This invasion of couse speaks volumes of Iran's strategic importance away from the concerns of vested commercial interests.
Yet another addition to the strategic ebbs and flows in the area.

Originally posted by Scissorville
You have to be absolutely crazy to think I would defend your country in case of an attack.

You know what's sad. US troops would fight and die if Denmark were invaded and we were required to repel the invaders. I seriously doubt you'd lift a finger to fight for anyone, even your own country.

Originally posted by Scissorville
Seriously. We are simply waiting for your country to crumble from within, so we can change this world for the better.

Yeah, 'cause the US is the source of ALL that's bad with the world. Have fun with your Chinese or Muslim overlords.

reply to post by mishigas

America is not it's government. America is it's people and it's spirit. Seperate the two definitions and you will begin to see the truth.

You can't see the truth.

The government is created by the people, and it is supposed to be ran by the people...therefore the government is the American people. It IS the United States of America. Without our government, this is NO COUNTRY.

If our government is corrupt, then it is nothing but a reflection of us. Look at the posts throughout ATS and other various message boards. We're all corrupt....nothing but hate and selfishness rule this country anymore.

And while you may feel that you are not one of those people, that all your beliefs are righteous, I assure you that they are not.

The truth of the matter you all could own the USA within 90 days but you would have to stick together and not bat an eye. No arguing amongst yourselves good chance you could take back your nation without firing one single shot.

1. Cancel all your flights,,,i dont care if it costs you your jobs...Do not fly no matter what.
2. Do not buy gasoline...ride a bike a horse or walk.
3. Dont buy anything but food and water....absolutely nothing else.


Do this for 90 days - 6 months
A. The folks that rule will be so angry and frustrated they will change and or negotiate the system in your favor as humanbeings and citizens of the US or worse case scenario...
B. They will begin incarcerating you and slaughtering you like animals..kinda like Nazi Germany...which are the same folks that are in power..