Qaddafi threatens the West with attacks +++

When you attack a country as we have.. we meaning NATO/Europe/US... what do you expect? WE... meaning the US.. had NO business complying with that nonsense the European countries were whining about. We have no business bombing folks into "freedom".. on our own accord or by UN orders. Ever spoke to any Libyans? They dont hate their leader... but they sure hate us and Europe now. Id be SHOCKED if Qaddafi didnt strike back. who wouldnt with the actions that were taken against him and his country? We killed his son and family for Gods sake for nothing... and he has shown amazing restraint. At some point Europe/NATO/UN/US will pay for these dirty dealings and undeclared wars that are wars nonetheless.

Someone mentioned Africa... The african union president already condemns our collective actions against Libya.. lchirino.wordpress.com...


If the actions NATO has taken doesnt become the catalyst in a 3rd world war, Id be shocked. People say the US thinks it rules the world? Not real deep thinkers I suppose. The UN/NATO runs the world and all we are is its dog on a leash. Maybe one day we will get a president with some sense and some balls.. or overthrow a false leadership adn install actual leaders... that will pull out of these ridiculous organizations that have no problem using us and taking every last dime we have to fund the world domination game. We ( the US) didnt pull the Iraq/Afghanistan action out of our asses any more than we have the Libyan deal.. it was a collective effort by many nations to pull this garbage. Looks like Qaddafi has a lot of targets... and Europe is simply the closest and easiest target. I have no idea what they expected.. for him to lay down and let them bomb his people, family, and infrastructure... and NOT strike back?! Maybe they want him to

reply to post by On the level


You have definitely supped too long at the Kool Aid fountain.

You should read your own signature and remember the proud heritage to which that refers. Shame on you for not taking the trouble to research and just sucking up the MSM drivel.

I honestly cant believe anyone takes notice of news articles like this, its the same old talk the walk crap, just like iran and north korean leader.

The Man Made River

DENY IGNORANCE??? Seems like an awful lot running around on ATS

GMR

Every country has a dictatorship. Dont be fooled!!!

reply to post by confreak


Great post man, I learned quite a bit here...

1 question I have then... So who exactly are the rebels then, Is it Al Queda? I know ive heard that mentioned... Or maybe cia backed rebel groups? Seems Gadaffi has done a lot more positives than any president has done for the US...

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
On another note how does Gaddafi expect to get his troops or the Libyan people across into Europe
:

how do you know they aren't already there?

Regardless of your opinions about Gahdafi as a leader, If he attacks a NATO country, we will see a full scale ground war that all NATO countries will be required to take part in. Libya would fall faster than Iraq, and the oil would be in the hands of europe. If NATO isn't doing this in the interest of the libyan people, then having Gahdafi attack a nato country would be welcomed. It would open the door for a full scale invasion, all the prep work (bombing) has already been done.

Originally posted by On the level
I live in Scotland and am not really worried about them swarming over Europe like bees

He is an empty shirt with a loud mouth. And for the above poster to say they like him

have a quick google on the state sponsored rape that has been going on, his human rights record and the way his regime has treated its people and come back to me.

This is different then Pakistan how? This is different then Iran how? This is different then Tunisia how?

Let's face facts, this isn't a Humanitarian mission, this is a mission for resources. They are weaker then Iran and the NATO thought they could create an uprising and win easily, yet they haven't so the propaganda continues.

If NATO really cared about people, many other places would of been bombed by now. But they don't. Don't pretend like their the good guys, they just know how to make themselves look good when attacking.

If an invasion of Libya happens all hell will break loose not just in Libya, but world wide. Watch and See.

Originally posted by Beavers

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
On another note how does Gaddafi expect to get his troops or the Libyan people across into Europe
:

how do you know they aren't already there?

Well.... there are alot of Arabic speaking people here so you could be right.... they could be in disguise saying they are rom other ME Countries when in fact they are Libyans!!

Or they could have built tunnels underneath our main Cities and be ready to strike!!

Seriouly though, i don't think so...

reply to post by confreak



though your title is a bit sensationalist, what infos you hint to against the role of the west as oppressors seems quite eye-opening, as i got some similar shreds of information. can you give some sources for your infos (solid ones), i'd like to read through them and i dont want to go through libyen history books...

So wait...All those people protesting are part of the CIA?

reply to post by Wachstum


What you don't know about Gaddafi and Libya










Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Mr. al-Hasidi is reportedly a member of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), also known as Al-Jama’a al-Islamiyyah al-Muqatilah bi-Libya. It is the most powerful radical faction waging Jihad in Libya and was officially designated as an affiliate of al-Qaeda and the Taliban – both CIA creations – by the UN 1267 Committee.

www.un.org...

LIFG was founded in 1995
en.wikipedia.org...


C.I.A. Agents in Libya Aid Airstrikes and Meet Rebels

www.nytimes.com...

CIA Operatives Have Been on the Ground in Libya for Weeks

nymag.com...

And one video



Virtually unknown in the West: Libya's water resources
twelfthbough.blogspot.com...

And this post is from member DerepentLEstranger


next TCOTBIP and their MSM mouthpieces will tell us that gadaffi had his soldiers?/mercenaries? take babies out of incubators and ate them. Nurse_Nayirah


i've been sharing the following links on all the Libya related threads 'cause a lot of people have been drinking the kool-aid on this one, sadly it's not getting through some heads as i see the same people posting the same old MSM pro usa crapspew. perhaps they just post and don't keep reading the threads before, going on to the next Libya thread to post the same old crap

Obama asks Saudis to airlift weapons into Benghazi www.abovetopsecret.com...


Exclusive: Benghazi Explosion – Tactical Nuke Use By Gaddafi Suspected www.abovetopsecret.com...

Tactical BS more like it, it was the BS meter that actually exploded , later shown to be the bombing of a local arms depot/cache

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler The headline ought to read Tactical Nuke Use By Gaddafi Suspected by Donald Duck. The article seems to be making a case for that any explosion anywhere that either hurts or offends the sensibilities of Americans is a tactical nuke! The article also suggests the Oklahoma Bombing was a tactical nuclear device! Seems like yet another sensationalized accusation of the kind that gave us WMD in Iraq. Just a lot of unsubstantiated gibberish designed to enflame and anger people and get people here thinking about paying for another war for oil. How many times are the American people going to get fooled by the same old song and dance, wrap it in a flag, and have God bless it, and presto whamo American bombs start snuffing out 'collateral damage' everywhere.

Benghazi's importance to Libya and possibly the World:
also explains why Qaddafi has come down really harsh on these "rebels"

While many countries in the Middle East and North Africa bicker over water rights, Libya has tapped into an aquifer of 'fossil water' to change its topography – turning sand into soil. The 26-year, $20 billion project is nearly finished. …The Great Man-Made River, which is leader Muammar Qaddafi's ambitious answer to the country’s water problems, irrigates Libya’s large desert farms. The 2,333-mile network of pipes ferry water from four major underground aquifers in southern Libya to the northern population centers. Wells punctuate the water’s path, allowing farmers to utilize the water network in their fields. ... “Water is more precious for us than oil. ... Water here in Libya, it’s life.”

after all why would Qaddafi want to damage or destroy a 26-year, $20+ billion project that he considers his life's work?

Virtually unknown in the West: Libya's water resources. The real reason for toppling Quadaffi? www.abovetopsecret.com...


Libya: British plans to strip Gaddafi of oil revenue www.abovetopsecret.com...

Libya False Flag -part 1: Reuters Hoax EXPOSED www.abovetopsecret.com...
truthfrequencynews.com...
World Cheers as the CIA Plunges Libya Into Chaos www.informationclearinghouse.info...

How was Libya doing under the rule of Gadaffi? How bad did the people have it? Were they oppressed as we now commonly accept as fact? Let us look at the facts for a moment.

Before the chaos erupted, Libya had a lower incarceration rate than the Czech republic. It ranked 61st. Libya had the lowest infant mortality rate of all of Africa. Libya had the highest life expectancy of all of Africa. Less than 5% of the population was undernourished. In response to the rising food prices around the world, the government of Libya abolished ALL taxes on food.People in Libya were rich. Libya had the highest gross domestic product (GDP) at purchasing power parity (PPP) per capita of all of Africa. The government took care to ensure that everyone in the country shared in the wealth. Libya had the highest Human Development Index of any country on the continent. The wealth was distributed equally. In Libya, a lower percentage of people lived below the poverty line than in the Netherlands.

How does Libya get so rich? The answer is oil. The country has a lot of oil, and does not allow foreign corporations to steal the resources while the population starves, unlike countries like Nigeria, a country that is basically run by Shell.

Like any country, Libya suffers from a government with corrupt bureaucrats that try to gain a bigger portion of the pie at the cost of everyone else. In response to this, Kadaffi called for the oil revenue to be distributed directly to the people, because in his opinion, the government was failing the people. However, unlike the article claims, Kadaffi is not the president of Libya. In fact he holds no official position in the government. This is the big mistake that people make. They claim that Kadaffi rules over Libya when in fact he doesn't, his position is more or less ceremonial. He should be compared to a founding father.

The true leader of Libya is an indirectly elected prime-minister. The current prime-minister is
Baghdadi Mahmudi. Calling Khadaffi the leader of Libya is comparable to calling Akihito the leader of Japan. Contrary to what your media is sketching, opinions in Libya vary. Some people support Gadaffi but want Mahmudi out. Others want both out. Many just want to live their life in peace. However, effort is taken to sketch the appearance of a popular revolt against the supposed leader of Libya, Gadaffi, when in fact he is just the architect of Libya's current political system, a mixture of pan-Arabism, socialism, and Islamic government.

Are the protesters in Libya comparable to the protesters in Egypt and Tunisia? Not at all. The governments reaction is more violent, and obviously excessive violence is being used. However let us look for a moment at the actions of the protesters. The building of the the general people's congress, the parliament of Libya, was put on fire by angry protestors. This is comparable to protesters putting the United States Capitol on fire. Do you think that for even a moment the US government would sit idly by as protesters put the US capitol on fire?


Great Britain funded an Al Qaeda cell in Libya, in an attempt to assassinate Gadaffi. The main opposition group in Libya now is the National Front for the Salvation of Libya. This opposition group is being funded by Saudi Arabia, the CIA, and French Intelligence. This group unified itself with other opposition groups, to become the National Conference for the Libyan Opposition. It was this organization that called for the "Day of Rage" that plunged Libya into chaos on February 17 of this year.

It did this in Benghazi, a conservative city that has always been opposed to Gadaffi's rule. It should be noted that the National Front for the Salvation of Libya is well armed. In 1996 the group tried to unleash a revolution in the eastern part of Libya before. It used the Libyan National Army, the armed division of the NFSL to begin this failed uprising.

Why is the United States so opposed to Gadaffi? He is the main threat to US hegemony in Africa, because he attempts to unite the continent against the United States. This concept is called the United States of Africa. In fact, Gadaffi holds all sorts of ideas that are contrary to US interests. The man blames the United States government for the creation of HIV. He claims that Israel is behind the assasination of Martin Luther King and president John. F. Kennedy. He says that the 9/11 hijackers were trained in the US. He also urged Libyans to donate blood to Americans after 9/11. Khadaffi is also the last of a generation of moderate socialist pan-Arab revolutionaries that is still in power, after Nasser and Hussein have been eliminated, and Syria has aligned itself with Iran.The United States and Israel however have no interest in a strong Arab world. In fact it seems that elementary to the plan is bringing Libya to its knees through chaos and anarchy. In late 2010, the United Kingdom was still propping up the Libyan government through lucrative arms sales. Nothing is a better guarantee to destroy Libya than a bloody civil war. The tribal system that is still strong in Libya is useful to exploit to generate such a war since Libya has historically been divided into various tribal groups.

This is also why the Libyan government responds by importing mercenaries. Tribal allegiances go before allegiance to the government, especially in Benghazi, and thus the central government has no control over the eastern part of the country anymore. The alternative to mercenaries is a conflict between the various ethnic groups. Gadaffi has tried for 41 years to make the country more homogeneous, but opposition groups funded by outside forced will take little more than a few days to put the country back into the 19th century, before the region was conquered and unified by Europeans. The violence is indeed excessive, but everyone seems to forget that the situation is not the same as in Tunis and Egypt. Tribal ties play a far greater role, and thus the conflict will unfortunately be bloodier.

2 excellent threads that cut trough the BS by ATS member Boondock-Saint:

Obama provides air cover for terrorists who killed Americans in Iraq, www.abovetopsecret.com...
Gadhaffi funded Sarkozy's French Presidential Campaign?? www.abovetopsecret.com...

Kissinger plan to transform North Africa and Middle East into Turkmenistan forum.prisonplanet.com...
depopulation_linked_merck_pharma_announces_africa_plan www.infowars.com...

www.schillerinstitute.org...

wlym.com...


PROPAGANDA is a weapon of war and not just political control, people, and many seem to be the losers on these Libya threads.

not to mention the bots,dupes and disinfo-spreaders both conscious and unconscious, and those who want to show everybody that they "know" when all their doing is repeating something they were told.

the last thing the West wants is a United Africa, no more cheap or nearly free resources and no more toxic waste dump[Somalia] and no more bio-warfare testing on the continent of the greatest human genetic variability if that should happen. TCOTBIP having planning to commit genocide in Africa for a very long time
the last link is from 1974.


www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Throwback

All these NATO attacks are done for one purpose, and that is to unite all Arab nations together, by the Western Nations becoming a common enemy for them as well as Israel.

reply to post by nuttin4U


That is an absolutely brilliant find. Thanks indeed.

The IMF must be sorely pissed it missed an opportunity to plunge another country into debt.

Re Dictatorships - yes you are right. We are all ruled by dictators and despots who are there for their own benefit not ours.

Originally posted by confreak
In his speech, Qaddafi talks about direct democracy, this is something which the Western media has been silent about because if it wasn't then I would have heard about it by now. Is anyone else ignorant of this theory which Qaddafi is talking about?

Colonel Qaddafi’s idea is that representative democracy is inadequate because it involves citizens assigning their rights and responsibilities to someone else. In Libya, the theory goes, everyone is involved in every decision.

Qaddafi also calls Western representative Democracies, "dictatorships". These are very well hidden stories, I guess they don't want us to talk about this.

Qaddafi also had some radical ideas which some might clap for, and some rich greedy folks might spend millions of dollars to hide or ridicule:

[His proposal for government reform is] to abolish the government altogether and give all the oil proceeds directly to each family. Abdul Mahjeed el-Dorsi, director of Libya’s foreign media department, explained: “The government will be demolished, it will disappear. You will take your share of the wealth and you can go to private schools, universities. They will have to manage everything themselves.”

Source

Even more proof that he's telling the truth.. plus if it wasn't true wouldn't they make fun of it on the news.

Libya is a false flag event IMO

They have oil... the west wants control of that resource, but since Libya would rather utilize its own resources independently and provide for the well being of its own people, the UN, Nato, all western corporate dog PTB allow their greed to take control.

I believe there is (was) gold based currency in Libya also.

Step 1: Make Ghadaffi out to be the bad guy. MSM at your service.

Step 2: Create a no-fly zone so that the Libyans are forced to just sit there and allow the bombs to fall on them.

Step 3: Since al-qeida and the west have a history in false flag attacks (sne-9/11eze!) They arrange a deal to place operatives inside Libya to pose as rebels.

Step 4: Continue lying... assuring the people thru MSM that this is NOT a war. Meanwhile, continue to bomb civilians, children, especially Ghaddafis family.

Lather, rinse, repeat...

If I were in Libyas shoes, I would strike back also.

Al quada fighting for the USA hahaha Bit like the afghan. Bin ladin was on the USA`s pay book right up till he was blamed for 911. When his gang of cave men armed with box cutters took out the USA`s military HQ. hahaha I wonder what crap TPTB are going to blame on gadaffi. No doubt nuke a US city and blame it on him. Then they will have to get the Nobel peace prize winner to invade another country. The chinease COMMIES wont fund their next war, like they did in Iraq. BUSH BORROWING FROM COMMIES so that he could invade countrys.
What a crazy world we live in.

as much as i disagree with the NATO involvement in Libya, there is no way on gods green earth that this man has any chance of launching an attack on Europe/West...its all just hot air.

I can however see the situation getting much worse before it gets better, more help from his african buddies in the form of weapons, money and mercenaries.

reply to post by forall2see


im inclined to agree with you here...apart from No 3!

we are being spoonfed lies on a daily basis, even the dumbest people i know understand that!

Originally posted by forall2see
Libya is a false flag event IMO


If I were in Libyas shoes, I would strike back also.

'LIBYAS SHOES'

Libya is a Country, a Land.... it can't fight back