Qaddafi threatens the West with attacks +++

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Turkey which is a NATO member, hosts US/CIA bases and has direct connections with IDF and MOSSAD is the next nation to steal Libyan wealth, in a long line of nations which have used Western attempts of regime change as an excuse to do so.

The Turkish government has seized control of Turkish-Libyan bank, and has frozen Libyan assets. (source)

Turkey took this step after recognizing CIA forces within Libya as the government of Libya along with 16 other nations. This is while the AU, China, South America and Russia once again has called for peace, rather than death + destruction.

NATO has failed to implement a regime change in Libya (under the disguise of protecting civilians), after months of bombardment, direct weapon drop off for CIA forces, injection of NATO military advisers in Benghazi, and hard core diplomatic and financial support through stolen Libyan assets, has failed to cause the popular Libyan regime to fall.

Thousands and thousands of Libyans demonstrated in support for the revolutionary leader Muammar Qaddafi while an audio tape of Muammar Qaddafi was aired where he warned the West to stop the aggression or the war will reach your own homes:

Gadhafi told a large pro-government rally in Tripoli that "homes, offices and families" would become legitimate military targets.

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In another turn of events reports are coming out that Sudanese troops have moved closer to the Libyan border, and have offered their services to the Libyan regime. (Source)

Leader Muammar Qadhafi's Full Speech on July 1, 2011

reply to post by confreak


O well.... looks like all out war could start soon....

Do you think i should sign up?

In his speech, Qaddafi talks about direct democracy, this is something which the Western media has been silent about because if it wasn't then I would have heard about it by now. Is anyone else ignorant of this theory which Qaddafi is talking about?

Colonel Qaddafi’s idea is that representative democracy is inadequate because it involves citizens assigning their rights and responsibilities to someone else. In Libya, the theory goes, everyone is involved in every decision.

Qaddafi also calls Western representative Democracies, "dictatorships". These are very well hidden stories, I guess they don't want us to talk about this.

Qaddafi also had some radical ideas which some might clap for, and some rich greedy folks might spend millions of dollars to hide or ridicule:

[His proposal for government reform is] to abolish the government altogether and give all the oil proceeds directly to each family. Abdul Mahjeed el-Dorsi, director of Libya’s foreign media department, explained: “The government will be demolished, it will disappear. You will take your share of the wealth and you can go to private schools, universities. They will have to manage everything themselves.”

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Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
reply to post by confreak

 

O well.... looks like all out war could start soon....

Do you think i should sign up?

Well I bet Sudan knows they will be the target eventually, just like Lebanon and Iran. I mean the Sudanese intelligence services can't be that naive, to not even know that they are a target just like Libya and the rest. Since they know, I'm sure they will be prepared. But against the might of the Western military complex, it would be pretty hard.

Non-the less, what do you want to sign up for? Military?

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I can't say I am a fan of Qudaffy Duck, But no leader in world would allow their country to be attacked without striking back at those doing the attacking. Unlike Saddam, he has had time to put assets in place.

This really will escalate if he starts to strike back though. Once bombs start going off in Europe or the US, it will give NATO the excuse to put significant forces on the ground, rather than just advisors.

reply to post by confreak


That was just a bit of sarcasm but also serious..... i mean if a wars gonna be coming to town i'll need to be ready!!

On another note how does Gaddafi expect to get his troops or the Libyan people across into Europe when Libya has no Runways left?

NATO are patrolling the Sea's too... so they can't get across this way either... something tell's me they are stuck in Libya unles they want to try swimming across

The more i research this topic the more i like Gaddafi. Why?
Thanks to mainstream media i thought that whole Libya stood up against Gaddafi and his tyranny and i thought that whole nation can't be wrong. But its obvious now that he got a lot of supporters which means he did something good for them in the past.

Then i saw NATO bombing civilians and killing children just because they are related to Gaddafi. Then i remembered who controls EU and US. That was enough for me to start changing my mind.
But what really got me is last few speeches from Gaddafi. Of course it could be poor propaganda but i guess Libyan people should know the best and like i said in the beginning, Gaddafi has a lot of supporters.

And if west has right to attack Libya why wouldn't Libya attack back? I just hope this madness will end soon and peacefully.

I live in Scotland and am not really worried about them swarming over Europe like bees He is an empty shirt with a loud mouth. And for the above poster to say they like him have a quick google on the state sponsored rape that has been going on, his human rights record and the way his regime has treated its people and come back to me.

Originally posted by dario86
The more i research this topic the more i like Gaddafi. Why?
Thanks to mainstream media i thought that whole Libya stood up against Gaddafi and his tyranny and i thought that whole nation can't be wrong. But its obvious now that he got a lot of supporters which means he did something good for them in the past.

Then i saw NATO bombing civilians and killing children just because they are related to Gaddafi. Then i remembered who controls EU and US. That was enough for me to start changing my mind.
But what really got me is last few speeches from Gaddafi. Of course it could be poor propaganda but i guess Libyan people should know the best and like i said in beginning, Gaddafi has a lot of supporters.

And if west has right to attack Libya why wouldn't Libya attack back? I just hope this madness will end soon and peacefully.

edit on 4/7/11 by dario86 because: (no reason given)

The common mistake many of us have made and some still make, is to listen and be swayed from our local news sources only. Not only local but the major MSM networks as well. Many still seem to be satisfied that whatever their station provides as news must be ALL the news because that's their job. This of course only allows one side of the story and the very real possibility of personal opinions or injected propaganda into those sources.

I have been listening to Qaddafi and he is starting to sound less and less like the picture being painted in our media outlets.

Share the Wealth? Give the Govt. to the people? You can't counter measure these ideas with lies anymore. I have never heard a dictator take this approach and it sounds so radical that it might actually be true.

reply to post by On the level


In how many countries are we currently delivering democracy with bombs and bullets? By "we" i mean Europe and US. "Our" soldiers maybe don't rape but i am sure they kill.

Sorry but if I have to chose and pick worst terrorist in the world, it probably would be Obama and guys behind him. US is war with more than 5 countries now (and yes, drone bombings do count).

I could go on but i think it would be off topic...

Well my feelings on all this is. IF gadaffi had of been right with his people this wouldnt have happened. 6 million population and all those millions of dollars in oil revenues. Every one there should have a palace and a rolls and servants. Their kids should have the best education and hospitals. the entire country should be a paradise. It should have been a model for arab states. He took over from the `western dictators` and replaced it with what?? His green book? Supplying terrorists with weapons. What has he done for his people? Guess he has done lots of things for his family and his tribe. Other than that hes a tosser.
Although I liked how he went on about all the crimes, that the USA and GB have been comitting all over the world. Which dosnt seem to get punished by any international court.

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
reply to post by confreak

 

That was just a bit of sarcasm but also serious..... i mean if a wars gonna be coming to town i'll need to be ready!!

On another note how does Gaddafi expect to get his troops or the Libyan people across into Europe when Libya has no Runways left?

NATO are patrolling the Sea's too... so they can't get across this way either... something tell's me they are stuck in Libya unles they want to try swimming across

I think a lesson in history will allow you to understand this conflict better. This conflict didn't just start, CIA forces tried to topple the Libyan regime before, a dejavu. They tried to assassinate Qaddafi but instead killed his daughter before, just like now, they bombed Libya before just like now, they tried a regime change through CIA forces before, just like now.

If you read history then you will find out why they were and are so desperate for a regime change in Libya. Many economic and political reasons, and because of the Libyan regimes willingness to stand up against the might of Europe and US.

The West supported groups in Libya to topple Qaddafi and in a counter move Libya supported revolutionaries inside US, Europe and South America. Libya still has connections with these counter revolutionaries and they are fully capable of bombing US and Europe.

This happened before also, forces supported by Qaddafi bombed Europe in the past, but people refuse to read history.

Qaddafi even supported the Nation of Islam, investing in the group, gave them millions of dollars to build a better headquarters and improve their organization.

I'm not even gonna mention how much influence Libya has over Africa, the whole African Union was proposed and created by Libya, a symbol of unity against those who believe they hold the crown over Africa.

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Guess he has done lots of things for his family and his tribe. Other than that hes a tosser.

Where did you gain this perception from?

For those who still don't know, Qaddafi made a daring promise once, he said that he will not house his own Mom and Dad until he houses every Libyan.

Guess what, his Dad passed away just before he housed every Libyan, his dad lived in a tent until he passed away, his Mom though at least got to see the new house, after every other Libyan got one.

Maybe you need to see what he did for his people.

Free education, free health care, free home, free land and farming gear and seeks, he even wanted to give all the oil revenue straight to the people, one of his latest radical ideas. He believed the people should take more responsibility. The same money which goes to the government should be controlled by the people, this is what he called direct Democracy.

Maybe you should compare what he did for his people with the rest of Africa, even compare it with Europe. Europeans are protesting against their regimes saying we want true Democracy, while Libyans rally in masses kissing Qaddafi's photos, now do you admit that brainwashing is not a figment of no one's imagination.

Regarding him supporting revolutionary groups, good for him, his attempts to help other countries just like he helped his own, it is good. His attempt to help Africa, and unite it to end the European grip over the continent was a good move. His attempt to create a new currency to counter Euro and Dollar was good... All these ideas was good for a continent which has been suffering under European crown for too long. Now the same Europeans destroy Libya, the nation which was trying to end their grip on Africa, this isn't a coincidence, this is cause and effect.

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In some ways I agree with you, I would rather the UK leaves the EU and stops trying to police the world and spend the huge budgets on improving infastructure

Originally posted by On the level
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In some ways I agree with you, I would rather the UK leaves the EU and stops trying to police the world and spend the huge budgets on improving infastructure

People are getting more and more pissed while UK continues wasting money on unjustified bloodbath and destruction. If Greece succeeds in toppling its government, then UK might follow, not to mention Ireland, Spain, France... If it comes to that we will eventually see what European governments are capable of, when it comes to crack downs.

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Good for him if he has done all that you say. How ever I still recall the IRA bombing places with his explosives. Then i read about his private body guards 600 virgins lol And flying his camel in a private jet so that he can ride down where ever in his own arabian style. I agree we in the west have a lot to answer for. But not the ordenary man in the street. Its the leaders and behind them the banksters. How ever as I said he still needs to do a lot for his own people. Even if its just to step down an let some one else have a go. There wouldnt be no rebels if he was as good as you say.

Col Gaddaffis bluster about giving the people direct control of the country and it's assets is what it is, just talk, if that had been the case then like an earlier poster had said, the people of Libya would have the Best education, healthcare and industry in the world. For a country with such a small population, it's residents would all be relatively wealthy, as it happens the majority are dirt poor, and jobs are scarce. People come out and openly support Gaddaffi because first they believe the lies he tells them and secondly they've also seen what happens to people who do oppose him, they usually end up dead. I know there is an agenda behind NATO bombing Libya, thinly disguised as saving the Libyan people, (more like protecting the Oil reserves), NATO, and especially the UK, have wanted to get rid of him for years, since the Lockerbie bombing, and the shooting of WPC Yvonne Fletcher by someone inside the Libyan embassy, at a peaceful protest in London. Obviously in recent history there have been some blunders, with release of that Terrorist by the Scottish Parliament and Tony Blair's famous Deal in the Desert. Col Gaddaffi is not a mis understood Man of The People, he is a power hungry Dictator who wants nothing more to cling to power, and will order the killings of as many people to achieve this. I understand why many Americans don't trust the MSN, your news channels are run by sensationalism and ratings, not objective journalism and proper analysis. I've had the misfortune to see CNN and Fox on Sattelite TV, and as flawed as the BBC can sometimes be, compared to CNN and Fox it's nearly perfect :-) That aside most TV news networks don't give us the whole truth, and spin reports to fit their agenda, but in the case of Colonel Gaddaffi and Robert Mugabe for that matter, the people in their countries are suffering and have suffered, because of them and because of their failings as leaders, not from foreign meddling.

reply to post by confreak


The "rebels" could be slaughtered by the locals who are now armed. Methinks the rebels are mercs.

reply to post by Shminkee Pinkee


I'm not even gonna bother refuting the already refuted war propaganda lies.

You say Libyans are dirt poor (??), do you know what dirt poor means? You say jobs are scarce (millions of foreign workers in Libya), do you even know what scarce means. From those two statements I can sum up your whole post as nothing but the same repeated amplification of war propaganda lies.

It would only take you 30 seconds to refute your own claims, but I'm not inclined to change your mind, I'm only inclined to agree with the parts which we both agree on, and that is the part where NATO did not attack, nor attempt a regime change to save civilian lives.

My opinion is formed from experience in the media and knowing and speaking to people who have fled Libya over the years, Col Gaddaffi is a dictator who has done nothing for his people, if you want believe otherwise you are perfectly entitled to, but then you will be a victim of propaganda also in that respect as you have clearly fallen for the Colonels, I'll let you have the last word as it seems important to you .