What muslims really think about Terrorism, Democracy and the West

reply to post by Sherlock Holmes

Male homosexuality is illegal in 33 majority Christian countries: Angola, Antigua & Barbuda, Barbados, Belize, Botswana, Burundi, Dominica, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Ghana, Grenada, Guyana, Jamaica, Kenya, Kiribati, Lesotho, Malawi, Nauru, Palau, Papua New Guinea, St. Kitts/Nevis, St. Lucia, St. Vincent & the Grenadines, Samoa, Seychelles, Solomon Islands, Swaziland, Tonga, Trinidad & Tobago, Tuvalu, Uganda, Zambia, Zimbabwe.

I am not in any way pro-christian, so I dont know why are you bringing this up. Christian extremism is also a problem. I am anti-religious extremism, and I dont like how this problem is often marginalised in the name of freedom of religion and tolerance (which I am not in any way against, up to a point).

Furthermore, according to a 2007 survey conducted by Pew ( your favourite research centre ), non-acceptance of homosexuality is prevalent in a number of predominantly Christian countries: 94%+ of Ugandans, Ghanaians, Ethiopians and Kenyans believe that homosexuality should not be accepted in society, while 60%+ of Russians, Ukrainians and South Africans also think that society should not accept gay people. 41% of Americans polled also expressed this belief...

There is a big difference between "non-acceptance" of homosexuality (homosexuality being a sin is a part of christian teaching, after all), and for example agreeing with laws criminalising homosexuality. Only the latter are extremists, imposing their beliefs on others, IMHO.

While you or I may think that executing adulterers is rather harsh, I wouldn't say that people who support the practice are necessarily ''extremists'', if they are from a particular region or country where that law has been ingrained in their social code for centuries. It doesn't follow that people who support the death penalty for adulterers and apostates are going to hold extreme views about anything or everything else.

Extremists as defined by our western culture, thats what I am talking about. Extremism may be defined as deviating from any cultural norm, but that is not the point in this discussion.

So, in other words, I was correct in my assumption that your views about Muslim extremism largely stems from your concern that they may start coming to your little corner of the world, rather than a genuine worry about extremism from a humanitarian perspective.

It stems from both, actually.

''Moderate Muslims'' is usually a code for Westernised Muslims, such as those from Albania, ex-Yugoslavia and Turkey. ie. ''Muslims who dress, speak and behave in a similar way to me''. Those who ''graciously'' accept others solely because they are likely to blend into their homogeneous, monocultural wet-dream, do not get a pat on the back from me !

I dont care about dresses or such trivial things, that is the positive side of multiculturalism. On the other hand, concerning things like killing apostates, gays or adulterers, I certainly DO support a monocultural wet dream of those behaving in similar way to me!

You do have an irrational fear. You come from a country with only a handful of Muslims, and you are terrified of them coming into your country because of fear-mongering stories and reports in the media. We have over 2 million Muslims in Britain; people aren't being stoned to death or killed for renouncing their Islamic faith.

I have nothing against peaceful muslims, in fact, it can only be beneficial for society to have many peaceful religions competing for a believer, IMHO.

No, I'm pointing out that, according to that poll, a majority of your citizens support a ban on the building of one religion's place of worship ( not just minarets ). Freedom of religion is often considered a human right, yet it appears that many Slovakians hold ''extreme'' views that go against this basic tenet of human rights philosophy.

1. It is still much less extreme than muslim countries that want to kill people.
2. I dont agree with the ban.
3. Nazi symbols are also banned in many countries, the rationale for banning muslim symbols may be the same - an ideology advocating breaches of basic human rights.

All I'm saying is that before you start pointing fingers at people elsewhere for being ''extremists'', perhaps you should look closer to home before getting overly concerned about those in far-flung countries... Or, in other words, ''those in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones''.

I disagree with this. When there is a thread about extremism in Slovakia, then we may talk about it. This is a thread about muslim opinions, and I have no obligation to live in a perfect society before I can point fingers at others.

Funny thing about statistic from isi, is about 72 percent population dont want a woman as president.
But they already had woman for president.
And yet no demonstration about it.

I dont trust those statistics,ive seen alot of dodgey and false graphs,polls and statistics.

Its hard to trust alot of information these days.

Originally posted by ZforZionism
reply to post by ollncasino

 

The Hadith are fabrications written over 200 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad through a system of Chinese Whispers.

If Muhammad wanted to burn people up he would have included that in the main book you people claim he doctored and is proven to be unchanged to this day: that is the Quran.

Hey, don't tell me!

Tell the Muslims who revere the Hadiths as holy that they are all lies.

Be prepared to run very fast.