Aliens will be found by 2031 - Russian Astronomers say

reply to post by SaturnFX


Then we can tell the Alien to come see how 80%+ our Earthlings still believe in pappa Zombie Lord

They'd be so proud of us.

Refer to post here

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by TheUniverse

"The genesis of life is as inevitable as the formation of atoms. Life exists on other planets and we will find it within 20 years,

" he told Interfax news agency, adding that aliens would most likely resemble humans. "They may have two arms, two legs and a head. They may have different color skin, but even we have that," he said.

This statement i quoted here is also a bit far-fetched or can i say Absurd

He jumped the Gun Yepper.

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Wanted to weigh in on this also

I used to think that advanced alien beings would be very unlike us...maybe find some parts here and there that is similar, but otherwise, we are talking rock fish people, centipede people, etc..

But then I read on a pretty well developed article about the subject...a hypothetical based on general biological and environmental considerations (focused on bio).

Basically, they did conclude that humanoid shapes would more than likely be common...their reasoning was things along the lines of:

Eyes: more than 2 would cause extra processing from the brain, hampering its ability to gain intelligence...however, 1 would fail at advanced depth perception (hense why you see our predators with 2 eyes in front

Predators also have the advantage...so, eyes in front

Standing would be a requirement for initial food, scavenging, etc...you can balance with 2 legs, more causes the same excess energy which would not favor intelligence or superiority

etc etc etc...they eventually went down until you were left with ultimately a human...or humanoid anyhow...so, the guy may be right...I mean, in a universe that houses potentially billions of advanced races, all sorts of shapes and sizes will be around, but the humanoid shape may be more common than one would expect if their logic is solid.

Originally posted by Phage
I'm pretty sure that when the full context of what Finklestein had to say is published it will be that he thinks we may receive an ET signal, not a face to face or even a two way conversation.

Our increasing ability to detect "earthlike" planets means we can concentrate the search for such a signal to more likely areas.

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That seems to be the case as the conference is titled "Third IAA Symposium on searching for life signatures".

There's a break down of the conference here; www.ipa.nw.ru...

In conclusion, it is now timely to gather a large conference of experts in SETI, biosignatures, the search for terrestrial exoplanets and related disciplines from all over the globe to openly discuss the strategies of both Passive and Active SETI. These are the goals of the "Searching for Life Signatures" Conference that will take place in St. Petersburg, June 27th thru 30th, 2011

So their program revolves around discussing passive and active uses of SETI. I'm guessing that as the co-chairman that gave the welcoming address at the opening of the conference, www.ipa.nw.ru... , Andrey Finklestein's comments about bipedal humanoids were part of a general talk on the subject of ET life and the possibilities. He may have just included his opinion and speculations but this was taken out of context and presented as some kind of scientific findings by the news agency.

I like his optimism over the 20 years though, I believe the further we look into the universe, the closer to life we inevitably get.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

If it's based on entanglement you still need to get the "receiver" particles from the point of origin to the destination. Once you do that you're all set, assuming you can resolve a lot of other difficulties. But you can't really intercept a transmission.

Sort of like Le Guin's ansible.

Mhmm, ya...as I said, the reciever bit will be a pain to build considering we aren't really recieving anything specific verses just "listening"...

Can't intercept...or no way currently that we know of?

And, I think that advanced races would more than likely be talking via quantum communication..perhaps a reciever right in their egglike heads at that...so, listening up for led zepplin on hydrogen lines isn't really going to cut it I think....

Perhaps there is a way to detect anomalous quantum signatures...may not be able to get the signal as it were, but it may allow for us to at least see if communication is in fact going on...

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

If it's based on entanglement you still need to get the "receiver" particles from the point of origin to the destination. Once you do that you're all set, assuming you can resolve a lot of other difficulties. But you can't really intercept a transmission.

Sort of like Le Guin's ansible.

Oh, incidently, there is no need for a reciever particle...if I was taught correctly.
basically, its just mirroring a particle to begin with....erm...here, let this guy explain:

One of the most basic laws of Quantum Mechanics is the Pauli Exclusion Principle: that no two particles can occupy the same quantum state. Quantum teleportation is the copying of one particle's quantum state to another. If the original wasn't destroyed, then two particles would exist with the same quantum state, which would violate the Exclusion Principle. So, when the copy is made, the original must be destroyed.

So ya, just get a recieving particle to match the same quantum state and voila...transfer of info without there being an initial particle transported...

this stuff is high above my head...in my thread, I had to have quantum dude (CLPrime) to dumb it down to discussions about hard drives...but I (think I) did catch the drift in the end.

Might get his view on the difficulties of building the lodestone resonator as it were.

I seriously read this in my local newspaper 2 minutes ago.
Very interesting if it's true.

This thread reminded me of this song from Warrant...

Wouldn't happen to be in April 2031 would it???



This is what it might look like for them when they get here...

I do not have any interest in contact. Let's put our efforts in space-travel and useful things for Humanity, let's learn how to profit from other planets.

I dont need contact to understand there are thousands of alien life-forms. Basic logics tell us that.

if he's talking about detecting E.T civlizations i doubt it will be in 20 years. For that we would need to detect them via their technology. Such as their radio/radar emissions or if they have set up a light beacon that we can detect.

Even confirming an earth-like planet with biosphere around a star like our sun is further than 20 years away. If the kepler results dont improve much it will take a lot longer.

TPF mission shelved indefinitely, TPF-C shelved indefinitley, Darwin mission shelved indefinitley.

this person is wrong unless we have some major breakthroughs in technology

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I really love how some countries, unlike America, encourage the open thought and discussion of exploring for "other life" beyond our own

nobody has done more than america in the search for life inside & outside our solar system. If it wasnt for America you wouldnt even know about 90% of the exoplanets that have been detected.

How many exoplanets has russia discovered? ZERO!

Yes we will come into contact with Alien life, well what we'd consider Alien.
But why is it always decades away,chosen year in this case 2031 but why not 2032 or better yet 2033?
Why not now? this year? or maybe next at the latest?
In 2031 we'll still be fighting amongst ourselves over bo**ocks reasons such as oil, gold, skin colour or religeon and any Aliens currently in orbit or the solar system as they pass through will simply look down on us, tut and wander off leaving only dodgy video and debatable eye witness reports.

Tell you what heres my take on it.

Oi Aliens, give me a ship and I'll sort this planet out for the better once and for all. I'll make it obvious to all on this rock that your there and that we should wake up and realise we are not the centre of the universe, nor are we alone in the void, and that we should mature instead of bickering over our toys like spoilt children, maybe then we can call ourselves civilised.....

Originally posted by yeti101
reply to post by QpenMinded

 

I really love how some countries, unlike America, encourage the open thought and discussion of exploring for "other life" beyond our own

nobody has done more than america in the search for life inside & outside our solar system. If it wasnt for America you wouldnt even know about 90% of the exoplanets that have been detected.

How many exoplanets has russia discovered? ZERO!

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Yes and how much aIrbrushing has the American NASA done?
How many lies have the Americans told about aliens and UFOs?

And WHAT GIVES IT THE RIGHT for America to think itself so important that ONLY IT should contemplate Alien life?
Come back to me when America realises its not alone on this planet and that WE are here as well.

Guys, unfortunately, the "variable" that you all think this scientist used to formulate his opinion are impossible to verify or comprehend, this is no more than one man's opinion. No different than the most ignorant, dough eyed believer's opinion here or the stone-cold and closed minded skeptic's opinion here.

To give any weight to this idiot's opinion, when all of you are equally qualified given you access to astonomy information and science fiction material....well, you get my point.

Sure, we can point our searches for earth like, human like, signals to areas that that seem to hold habitable planets. But you MUST understand, we are not getting crystal clear pictures (or pictures in the traditional sense at all) of these planets to verify they are "earthlike". We see small amounts of data that seem to indicate the POSSIBILITY of earthlike conditions. I bet in the next decade or so, we will fine tune out collection information, along with our data gathering instrumentation, to allow for more accurate date. But as it stands right now, we simply DO NOT know wen enough about our neighborhood to make such a baseless and ignorant assumption of when we will be able to "make contact" (even if it is one way) with an alien civilization.

And then of course you have the ignorant dough eyed believer and the government conspiracy crowd that predictably shouts "they have been here forever it is just being covered up" form the roof tops, but I think it is more than obvious if you want this subject to go forward that we need to ignore such idiotic folks. Failure to understand why I say that means you need to spend more time delving into this subject with you reality glasses on. Plain and simple.

We will see proof of alien civilization within the next billion years. There, i'm right because none of you will live long enough to argue my point. But to be so stupid as to put a 20 year time span on it....give me a break. What will be the excuses when it doesn't come to pass form all the ignorant believers that were wold on this because an 'astronomer" had an opinion? There will be no discovery within 20 years of alien life. Sorry. And no, it isn't visiting here, despite what you read on the internet and what you choose to believe about ancient aliens (which is a joke if you look at the facts).

reply to post by DataWraith

And WHAT GIVES IT THE RIGHT for America to think itself so important that ONLY IT should contemplate Alien life?

I've never heard America claim that only it should contemplate alien life. Do you have a source for this claim?

the fact is America & Europe have done all the work so far. Russia has invested nothing in planet hunting missions. When are they going to make a contribution besides flapping their gums at conventions?

p.s i'm sure alot of russian astronomers would like to do exoplanet missions its the russian government to blame for no investment.

The search for life elsewhere is a waste at our current point in evolution anyway, for obvious reasons. If society was different, think how advanced we would be. Instead, we currently have societies that have walked on the moon while others still live in mud huts. Give me a break. Think how good life could be! In a thousand years, when the idiocy of religion, racism and other things have been obliterated, then we will be able to waste resources on finding the very, very improbable. Until then, there are things that will benefit us all that can be done with the resources wasted any hunt for ET.

Do you waste money on a new big screen tv in the hope you will get better programming when your children are starving to death and you neighbors are killing each other because they believe in separate invisible entities? Grow up, humanity.

Hilarious. They're probably knowingly working with some.

Originally posted by Phage
I'm pretty sure that when the full context of what Finklestein had to say is published it will be that he thinks we may receive an ET signal, not a face to face or even a two way conversation.

Our increasing ability to detect "earthlike" planets means we can concentrate the search for such a signal to more likely areas.

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I wonder why he has given possible physical descriptions then......

Are you one of the (arrogant) people that feel that 'There are no aliens. Us humans are the only intelligent life in the universe."

Just asking....

Originally posted by ButterCookie

Originally posted by Phage
I'm pretty sure that when the full context of what Finklestein had to say is published it will be that he thinks we may receive an ET signal, not a face to face or even a two way conversation.

Our increasing ability to detect "earthlike" planets means we can concentrate the search for such a signal to more likely areas.

edit on 6/28/2011 by Phage because: (no reason given)

I wonder why he has given possible physical descriptions then......

Are you one of the (arrogant) people that feel that 'There are no aliens. Us humans are the only intelligent life in the universe."

Just asking....

No he's just one of those people that's reasonable. Most people on this forum don't require reason or facts to back up their statements. Do you think the aliens will come to us in their spaceships? How? How will they cross the vast gulfs between us and them? How did they even know about us to intersect our home? And we can't even speculate about quantum technologies. Speculation is fun, but it doesn't advance the topic. We need to invest in radio receivers and we should broaden the frequencies we're looking at. We should also look more at light itself, or the signs of laser light. We just need to do more of what we're currently doing in a more expansive and ambitious way. Columbus when he crossed the ocean didn't ask, "Hey, maybe we should wait until they build steam powered ships or even airplanes. It would save time and we could put money into other activities." He sailed! We have to too. We have to use our current technology.

I also think we should better research Helium-3 and nuclear fusion so we one day can mine it on the moon. But I"d like to know more about how a low sunspot sun is going to impact space activities. Space.com recently had an article about a potential minimum on its way.

As far as body shape is concerned, I'm not sure what to think. I remember watched a program on tv about bipedal walking. Two legs is somehow very efficient and they're trying to mimic it with robotics. Somehow we use gravity to our advantage to save energy! As for multiple eyeballs, it does seem to me that focusing on sensory organs is missing the point in evolutionary terms since it's intelligence we're after. If sensory organs are so important then how come we can't see in the dark, see in all directions, why don't we have 10 legs, why can't we smell better than dogs, and so on. If large numbers of sensory organs lead to increased intelligence then you would expect humans to see the best, hear the best, taste the best, smell the best, and so on!

At some point creating the world around us inside our mind became just as important or more important than actually sensing it! It's our ability to predict and ruminate that separates us. We don't want to be just a expert receiver that works on basic instinct. We want to run a simulation in our mind that allows us to predict what the world will be without sensing it. Similarly, we don't need 10 legs to climb up walls when we have ropes and various gadgets we can make that do the same thing! We don't need 10 arms to do 10 different things when we can have machines instead! We don't need 20 different super res eyes when we can make camaras and put them anywhere! Why should evolution spend so much energy doing things that our mind can do?

Originally posted by jonnywhite

Originally posted by ButterCookie

Originally posted by Phage
I'm pretty sure that when the full context of what Finklestein had to say is published it will be that he thinks we may receive an ET signal, not a face to face or even a two way conversation.

Our increasing ability to detect "earthlike" planets means we can concentrate the search for such a signal to more likely areas.

edit on 6/28/2011 by Phage because: (no reason given)

I wonder why he has given possible physical descriptions then......

Are you one of the (arrogant) people that feel that 'There are no aliens. Us humans are the only intelligent life in the universe."

Just asking....

No he's just one of those people that's reasonable. Most people on this forum don't require reason or facts to back up their statements. Do you think the aliens will come to us in their spaceships? How? How will they cross the vast gulfs between us and them? How did they even know about us to intersect our home? And we can't even speculate about quantum technologies. Speculation is fun, but it doesn't advance the topic. We need to invest in radio receivers and we should broaden the frequencies we're looking at. We should also look more at light itself, or the signs of laser light. We just need to do more of what we're currently doing in a more expansive and ambitious way. Columbus when he crossed the ocean didn't ask, "Hey, maybe we should wait until they build steam powered ships or even airplanes. It would save time and we could put money into other activities." He sailed! We have to too. We have to use our current technology.

I also think we should better research Helium-3 and nuclear fusion so we one day can mine it on the moon. But I"d like to know more about how a low sunspot sun is going to impact space activities. Space.com recently had an article about a potential minimum on its way.

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I understand your point, but:

Never feel that the vastness of space( which I know plenty about, as I am obsessed with the cosmos) is so great that no species could ever traverse it...... That's another 'human arrogant' complex.

If WE can't travel that far, then no one else can
If WE can't survive on planets that are closer to the sun, then no one else can..
If WE can't survive without oxygen, then no one else can

"We are but a pale blue dot...." - Carl Sagan

We are a species that can barely traverse to our moon, let alone leave our solar system.

We have not scratched the surface in the 'search' for extraterrestrial life throughout the universe.

Its too far for THEM to travel? Travel from where? They could be on the moon...

and just because WE don't have longer lifespans (more than 110 years), doesn't mean that no one else does. Therefore, travel from 2.3 million life years may not be to THEM what it would be to us.

Originally posted by DataWraith

Originally posted by yeti101
reply to post by QpenMinded

 

I really love how some countries, unlike America, encourage the open thought and discussion of exploring for "other life" beyond our own

nobody has done more than america in the search for life inside & outside our solar system. If it wasnt for America you wouldnt even know about 90% of the exoplanets that have been detected.

How many exoplanets has russia discovered? ZERO!

edit on 28-6-2011 by yeti101 because: (no reason given)

Yes and how much aIrbrushing has the American NASA done?
How many lies have the Americans told about aliens and UFOs?

And WHAT GIVES IT THE RIGHT for America to think itself so important that ONLY IT should contemplate Alien life?
Come back to me when America realises its not alone on this planet and that WE are here as well.

Thanks and star for this post!!

You took the words right outta my mouth, and I am American