Look Who’s Buying Up Flood Ravaged Farm Land

reply to post by Xcathdra


Agreed, to have land in that kind of area is asking for trouble eventually, that is what the insurance is for. I wasn't sure how the land buying worked though. I still see problems with urban development on such rich soil, though, too many strip malls now.

reply to post by getreadyalready


Thank you! and to you Jude11!

It will be interesting to see how this turns out. I do believe in some personal responsibility when it comes to the land you own. But what does happen if it is a man made problem, as oppose to nature? How could you even prove the man made part? I guess except for levees and dams failing. But that could be excused away as well.....

I guess it is up to these farmers and land owners to make the best decision for themselves.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


You make a very good argument. I can see now how flood control would be the financially responsible thing to do, I personally would have a problem with giving up land I had worked so hard for, then again I would hope to have better sinse to be in a danger zone to begin with.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by jude11

 

Maybe you should go back and take a look at your op post. From the insinuation of the title, to the manner in which you quoted source material, to the questions you asked, and the manner in which you asked them, up to invoking HAARP.

The title isn't mine. It's the source and I don't feel a reason to change that from the original author.

I stated that others will invoke HAARP, chemtrails etc in anticipation of that happening as it always does. Heading it off at the pass if you will.

Questions are mine...absolutely. I want to know what others think and would like sources to back that up. Nothing wrong with that is there?

And my opinions? They are mine and are asked for when starting a thread. They may not be anyone else's opinions and that's ok. They're only opinions.

The insinuation and overall tone of the op is that of the Evil Government is using weather modification and chemtrails to destroy peoples liveliehoods in an effort to snag their poperty.

Got me on that one. Yes, I do believe the Govt is Evil. (Not the word I would use but it's yours, not mine)

Is the Govt. capable of destroying livelihoods for gain? Each and every single day, here and across the Globe. So, yes.

I stand by what I said before, the post is nothing but fear mongering based on paranoia and nothing more - respectfully.

And you are entitled to your opinion as we all are on ATS. I would welcome sources to support your claim that the other sites quoted are fear mongering as well tho.

Thank you

On another hand most of Southeastern Missouri was once swamp land anyway. It was drained and cleared for the most part by the Missouri Army Corps of Engineers.

Anyone who lives in or near the area can see this. Even taking a trip to the Mingo area is a better sign. They have the numbered ditches there still and it is still run by wildlife management.

Even though some areas in S.E.MO are no longer swampland you can still see signs that it was. You can see this in the rich black soil in many farm fields, in some of the wildlife both plant and animal that still in habit those areas, and in the land itself. In many places you can see mini swamps, small places holding stagnant water year round, with yet other places that are constantly damp with little or no runoff. Yes, if you look around S.E.MO you can still see the swamp in the land. I also believe the swamp will one day reclaim what it once owned.

www.dailystatesman.com...
gideon.k12.mo.us...
www.ruralmissouri.org...
www.rootsweb.ancestry.com...
pillowstone0.tripod.com...


Raist

Originally posted by jude11

Not having the numbers available, I would think that the profits from the crops would be more valuable over and over, even with disaster relief once in awhile. The relief is usually localized and doesn't play into the entire area of farm land all at once.

Maybe.

Well, the government doesnt receive the profits from the farms. So the profits from the farms are not really a factor they would consider. What they would consider is "how much does it cost us to keep using disaster relief funds to bail these guys out, and how likely is it that this will happen again?"

Farming isnt always that profitable. In some cases, there has been so much supply that the government has paid people NOT to grow crops to keep the prices high enough to make it profitable at all to some farmers. Food prices are going through the roof now, but in large, thats because of the way farming has evolved. Food isnt grown locally as much, and has to be shipped all over the country and the world from massive producers in various places. In other words, you are paying for a lot of shipping and storage and handling and middle men. The farmer isnt really getting most of that money.

In many ways, we are really placing ourselves in a very precarious position in terms of food supply. It would be much more sensible to have many small producers all over the place so that crop failures would be less devastating when they impact the big farms, but many of the little guys have been driven out of business by the mega farms. It isnt the best or smartest long term strategy for any nation to let that happen, but the system isnt driven by intelligence, its driven by profit.

Intelligence WOULD tell you to help the farmers keep their farms on flood plains, because flood plains make great growing land. But only a socialist country would think like that. (Whats good for the people as a whole.) Our country is increasingly thinking in narrow ways about costs in the short run, and forsaking the long term good of America as a nation and her people. Its what happens when you let corporations run the world. But thats not really nefarious, or conspiratorial, its just stupidity and shortsightedness on the part of our leaders. Save money now, even if in the long run, it hurts the country as a whole.

Although I will say, for your conspiracy angle, that China has been doing some serious buying of farmland around the world, and they are one of our big creditors, and if that farmland ends up in their hands, you might have a conspiracy case to build.

Originally posted by rcanem

You make a very good argument. I can see now how flood control would be the financially responsible thing to do, I personally would have a problem with giving up land I had worked so hard for, then again I would hope to have better sinse to be in a danger zone to begin with.

When it comes to buying a home, I would hope you would have better sense too.

Farms are a little different, however, in that land that is frequently flooded is often the best growing land. And, the proximity to water helps with irrigation.

I wasnt trying to say what the government was doing with the farms was the smartest thing they could do. Only that it might not be an evil plot, but rather an extension of the thinking they have been leaning towards with residences lately. (Which does make really good sense when homes are the issue.)

Our government is pretty desperate to cut costs right now, and they will not raise revenue, (tax more) so this could just be their way of trying to cut future costs, and prevent having to make expensive changes to the flood containment systems they already have. They may just be doing a short sighted, "Its cheaper in the long run to buy them out" calculation.

Our leaders really dont think very well in the long term. In the past, we elected people who knew what they were doing and had some skill or talent for it. Now, people are elected because they do what rich people want them to do, and rich people dont want to invest in things that dont make them, personally, richer. They dont want to invest in "America" or "for the good of the people" they want to invest in things that directly line their pockets.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
The insinuation and overall tone of the op is that of the Evil Government is using weather modification and chemtrails to destroy peoples livelihoods in an effort to snag their property.

it has been done before (similarly)
just ask any native American Indian.
Damming up water and streams to cut
off a tribes water supply is virtually the same
thing in reverse.

And it's not fear mongering when it has
been proven to be fact from past history.

Farmers !!! DO NOT SELL THE FARM !!!



Montgomery Gentry - Daddy won't sell the farm

Nobody should be living in a flood plain.

Just because it has fertile land which became that way from eons of flooding to begin with,does not mean it should be a area that we use for farming purposes.

A simple solution would be for states to purchase the land and allow it to be leased with the understanding of what the implications may be of using it.

We allow leases on government property to excavate mineral resources and remove trees from forests.

Why not for agriculture purposes too?

Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman
reply to post by jude11

 

Food grab? I think it's more like what your American Thinker link describes as acquiescing to the demands of radical environmentalists in returning the land to a pre-dam state. The Corps of Engineers has been under tremendous pressure to do this and now they have the means to do so all in one fell swoop.

Perhaps the environmentalists of the Corps grew tired of waiting decades to realize their dream of a "restored Missouri River." Perhaps these elements heard the warnings and saw in them an opportunity to force an immediate re-naturalization of the river via epic flood. At present, that is impossible to know, but to needlessly imperil the property, businesses, and lives of millions of people constitutes criminal negligence. Given the statements of Corps personnel, and the clear evidence of their mismanagement, the possibility that there is specific intent behind their failure to act must be investigated without delay.

And that from a liberal website...

Don't make the mistake of thinking that "environmentalists" are actually concerned about nature at all. They are merely another aspect of the whole scam.

washingtonexaminer.com...

www.sullivan-county.com...moosecove.com...

reply to post by jude11


Here's a post of mine on the thread; Here.
(Mine is the pages last post)

I had a discussion just today about this event... The army corps of engineers had ample time to open gates to prevent the waters from reaching these levels. But instead they were doing what? Certainly not entertaining this?

Originally posted by loveguy
reply to post by jude11

 

Here's a post of mine on the thread; Here.
(Mine is the pages last post)

I had a discussion just today about this event... The army corps of engineers had ample time to open gates to prevent the waters from reaching these levels. But instead they were doing what? Certainly not entertaining this?

edit on (6/27/1111 by loveguy because:

Can you find that link again? Not working.

Thanks

reply to post by jude11


Uh, they both work fine for me...

The first link; here.

Second link; here.

Is this the first unwitting confirmation that my links are ?????? not available?

I just retested them myself and both worked just fine for me...

Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by Xcathdra
The insinuation and overall tone of the op is that of the Evil Government is using weather modification and chemtrails to destroy peoples livelihoods in an effort to snag their property.

it has been done before (similarly)
just ask any native American Indian.
Damming up water and streams to cut
off a tribes water supply is virtually the same
thing in reverse.

And it's not fear mongering when it has
been proven to be fact from past history.

Farmers !!! DO NOT SELL THE FARM !!!

I need to find out if these properties are being paid for at the going rate prior to flooding.

"$750.00 per acre is the going rate due to it being under water at this time, Mr. and Mrs. Farmer."

reply to post by jude11


I misunderstood your query at first...
You're asking about where it was determined the ACOE could or should have opened gates in the years leading to this present crisis?

It was mentioned earlier in that thread. I'll find a corroborating article, if one exists--- today.

*galloping-off on my pony*

eta; Her's one! Source
My search results page; Source

Originally posted by loveguy
reply to post by jude11

 

Uh, they both work fine for me...

The first link; here.

Second link; here.

Is this the first unwitting confirmation that my links are ?????? not available?

I just retested them myself and both worked just fine for me...

edit on (6/27/1111 by loveguy because:

The first is fine for me but the second I'm getting this:

Let's try that again

That web page doesn't exist. Let's see if we can help you find what you are looking for.
Tips

* Check that the web address that you entered doesn't contain a typo.
* Use the search box instead of the address bar to find what you're looking for.

Maybe on my end?

reply to post by jude11

I won't give up!
From link in question;

DICTIONARY common sense Definition com·mon sense To hear the pronunciation, install Silverlight NOUN 1. good judgment: sound practical judgment derived from experience rather than study Thesaurus NOUN Synonyms: good judgment, horse sense, good sense, practicality, realism, knowledge, judgment, reasonableness, nous

I use bing as my primary search engine.

Sorry I keep what feels like spamming the thread.

The point I was trying to make was/is that the army corps of engineers had/have access to the many flood gates along the rivers they are "in charge of" and this whole freaking flood is a planned years-ahead event taking place under our noses...

Please know if any frustration is found in my post(s) it is meant for the culprits who made the decision to allow this flood-stage to occur.

(just because of integrity)

Originally posted by loveguy
Sorry I keep what feels like spamming the thread.

The point I was trying to make was/is that the army corps of engineers had/have access to the many flood gates along the rivers they are "in charge of" and this whole freaking flood is a planned years-ahead event taking place under our noses...

Please know if any frustration is found in my post(s) it is meant for the culprits who made the decision to allow this flood-stage to occur.

(just because of integrity)

Got it and thank you.

Frustration noted, accepted and agreed.

Jude11

Originally posted by Xcathdra
Why must people come up with all these conspiracy theories about the government, complaining about every single action, while ignoring everythig else?

Ummm lessee

1) Corps of Engineers Build Levy to contain flood water
2) Corps of Engineers Build Blow up Levy to release flood water and flood the land
3) Corps of Engineers Build buys flooded out land
4) ATS is a conspiracy website

Any other questions?