Why Jews want this video removed

Originally posted by gravitational
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

 

You see the difference?

I'm talking about facts, contradicting testimonies, official documents, plus voice recordings between the pilots and the air controller, taken by the NSA and are available to the public.
You are talking about “ probably this probably that” out of you biased opinions.

Nothing you say will ever convince these people. Their hatred for Jews and Israel is unshakable and there's simply nothing you can say or do to change their way of thinking.

reply to post by SpeachM1litant


Gibly and Lavon are the same Lavon affair.
And, nothing was proven, only that this was the unaffiliated act by an independent intelligence cell.,
IE, The operation was not ordered or approved by the Israeli Government
Oh, but I guess you were a member of the investigating committee at the time to know better.

Originally posted by projectvxn

Originally posted by gravitational
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

 

You see the difference?

I'm talking about facts, contradicting testimonies, official documents, plus voice recordings between the pilots and the air controller, taken by the NSA and are available to the public.
You are talking about “ probably this probably that” out of you biased opinions.

Nothing you say will ever convince these people. Their hatred for Jews and Israel is unshakable and there's simply nothing you can say or do to change their way of thinking.

My friend, I'm not here for them.

I'm here for those who are unfamiliar with the facts.
Those who can easily fall to the growing hate and propaganda against the state of Israel
and operate to delegitimize its existence.
I'm here to expose the lies which are sometimes cleverly hidden, wrapped in hints of truths.

I'm here to tell the Jewish people, raise your heads with pride. Stop groveling. The diaspora is over.

reply to post by gravitational


This is not what I am saying. I am saying Lavon was not responsible, but this happened under the auspicies of military intellegence. I am not saying the government approved such actions, as I am well aware of Ben Gourins harsh response to his own brethern in regards to this event.

This was an independent attack by an independent Egyptian-Jewish cell, not affiliated with Israel, but non-the-less it hapened under the auspicies, or to word it better- right under the nost of military intellegnce.

While we are at it, the initial subject was wether Israel was an ally or enemy to America, however I don't like the bluntness of this statement. So can I get your opinions on Israeli-U.S relations: Is Israel a strategic partner or a liability to the U.S? and why?

Originally posted by gravitational

Originally posted by projectvxn

Originally posted by gravitational
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

 

You see the difference?

I'm talking about facts, contradicting testimonies, official documents, plus voice recordings between the pilots and the air controller, taken by the NSA and are available to the public.
You are talking about “ probably this probably that” out of you biased opinions.

Nothing you say will ever convince these people. Their hatred for Jews and Israel is unshakable and there's simply nothing you can say or do to change their way of thinking.

My friend, I'm not here for them.

I'm here for those who are unfamiliar with the facts.
Those who can easily fall to the growing hate and propaganda against the state of Israel
and operate to delegitimize its existence.
I'm here to expose the lies which are sometimes cleverly hidden, wrapped in hints of truths.

I'm here to tell the Jewish people, raise your heads with pride. Stop groveling. The diaspora is over.

In other words your here to do the exactly the same as they do. Surround lies in a hint of truth, and create anti-Arab, anti-Muslim or anti-Palestinian(whatever we call them now) propaganda. As far as I am concerned you are no different to the anti-Semetic, open liars, pro-Arab, Nazi's on this forum. Although I wouldn't go as far as calling you a Nazi. I am just trying to emphasize my point. Both sides on this forum are the same. It is the moderates like Eliad that provide me a glimmer of hope for the future.

ON TOPIC(The actial OP): I did not realize I haven't even made a comment in regards to the video. As disgusting as this video is, it is just some dumb young punk. They exist all over the world and they do not represent the majority. There are dumb young Palestinian punks too.

reply to post by YourPopRock


I'm fairly confident i'm not the only one, many people however, simply don't know history....

That point aside, you didn't answer my question...

Who gave the early Americans the 'right' to steal the land from the native inhabitants?????

reply to post by SpeachM1litant


I'm not a Nazi ???
Why thank you.
From someone who can't tell the difference in how the Jews suffered during WWII in comparison to others, that it is quiet a statement. Much appreciated.

It's your usual tactic and pattern. Baldly state something, plant hints and doubts, then come back and add your usual “ but I didn't say that” ' knowing full well your original message has already been absorbed.

Just so you know, my father's family was murdered by the Nazis. I have learned the events and history of the middle east since childhood, many many years ago. Unlike you, I have heard first hand testimonies and witnessed events with my own eyes, not like you - a so called scholar thousands of miles away, who always finds excuses, who can't even see the wrong in using an historian who admits to lie for his political ideas.

And the hasbarats have landed....
Isreal broke EVERY treaty out there.Even Hamas called for Israeli state but that wasnt enough for warmongering Israel ofc

Originally posted by projectvxn
Nothing you say will ever convince these people. Their hatred for Jews and Israel is unshakable and there's simply nothing you can say or do to change their way of thinking.

So how's yr hate vs palestinians going?

Originally posted by flymetothemoon

Originally posted by YourPopRock
There are sooooooo many more videos just like this!

Why do the Jews think that they can do this? Take people's land... bully and intimidate... persecute others for their beliefs... ESPECIALLY those who saved them from the ovens!

By your own logic. It's not correct. Those in the video were not even born then.

And as already expressed, in your thread. No one knows the whole picture of the incident in the video
The clip is trimmed, to give a very definite impression of these jews. And to create a certain reaction.

Would you say the same thing you write here if you stood in front of them?
Or would you record your views and post the video as a "response" to the video in your OP?

People will probably think the same. That your view and your attitude is shared by everyone else. Probably the reactions would be just as same. But who knows ?

If you think it through, their parents meet the ovens and POOF no current Jews.

I would gladly say the same things in front of them - to their faces. I typically voice it when I see something that is inappropriate happening... I think killing and stealing land is inappropriate.

Originally posted by gravitational

Originally posted by projectvxn

Originally posted by gravitational
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

 

You see the difference?

I'm talking about facts, contradicting testimonies, official documents, plus voice recordings between the pilots and the air controller, taken by the NSA and are available to the public.
You are talking about “ probably this probably that” out of you biased opinions.

Nothing you say will ever convince these people. Their hatred for Jews and Israel is unshakable and there's simply nothing you can say or do to change their way of thinking.

My friend, I'm not here for them.

I'm here for those who are unfamiliar with the facts.
Those who can easily fall to the growing hate and propaganda against the state of Israel
and operate to delegitimize its existence.
I'm here to expose the lies which are sometimes cleverly hidden, wrapped in hints of truths.

I'm here to tell the Jewish people, raise your heads with pride. Stop groveling. The diaspora is over.

Raise your heads up high with pride - your rape, murder, beating and killing of the Palestinians has shown you to be a good and proud people driven by an attempt to be just like God!

Puke.

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reply to post by YourPopRock



So why bring it up yourself ? Yes. Some were saved from the ovens. What is your expectation? A personal "thank you letter" ? By second thought.. You would not have been found among the participants anyway. Especially not if it should happen again

You would never go there. Not even to find out, if they really all are as bad, as you imagine.

And please. Don't hesitate. If you ever need a box to stand on while you preach

Originally posted by AstroD
And the hasbarats have landed....

Isreal broke EVERY treaty out there.Even Hamas called for Israeli state but that wasnt enough for warmongering Israel ofc

Originally posted by projectvxn
Nothing you say will ever convince these people. Their hatred for Jews and Israel is unshakable and there's simply nothing you can say or do to change their way of thinking.

So how's yr hate vs palestinians going?

edit on 28-6-2011 by AstroD because: (no reason given)

Oh I see, because I don't agree with all the "Let's destroy Israel" propaganda I'm a Zionist operative working to disinform...And all of this means I hate Palestinians.

Gotcha

Originally posted by flymetothemoon
reply to post by YourPopRock

 

So why bring it up yourself ? Yes. Some were saved from the ovens. What is your expectation? A personal "thank you letter" ? By second thought.. You would not have been found among the participants anyway. Especially not if it should happen again

You would never go there. Not even to find out, if they really all are as bad, as you imagine.

And please. Don't hesitate. If you ever need a box to stand on while you preach

I have been to Isreal 7 times. I have seen much of this first hand.

Sorry to have to invalidate your entire post.

Originally posted by YourPopRock

Originally posted by flymetothemoon
reply to post by YourPopRock

 

So why bring it up yourself ? Yes. Some were saved from the ovens. What is your expectation? A personal "thank you letter" ? By second thought.. You would not have been found among the participants anyway. Especially not if it should happen again

You would never go there. Not even to find out, if they really all are as bad, as you imagine.

And please. Don't hesitate. If you ever need a box to stand on while you preach

I have been to Isreal 7 times. I have seen much of this first hand.

Sorry to have to invalidate your entire post.

So you invade a place you despise. It makes sense. So did i. Have not had a single bad experience. Neither with moderate or religious.

reply to post by gravitational


a) Why don't you revisit the thread which I stated that the 50 million deaths were also tragic. I clearly stated that the Jews died in different circumstances to everyone else. Where others were able to defend themselves the Jews were not.

This is your usual tactic. Take my words entirely out of context and twist the reality of what I am saying. What I was doing was comparing you to the pro-Arab camp, who constantly post biased sources and twist reality.

I see no wrong in using Ilan Pappe as a source, as long as what he is stating is concise. It is funny that you continuosly choose to avoid the fact that I used more Israeli sources then I did any other. It is funny that you miss the fact that I source Moshe Dayan and Ben Gourin as well as official Israeli documentation. So you who only sources one side of the argument, somehow is more factual then I who sources all three. Israeli. Arab and Impartial.

This is your usual BS. Playin the Holocaust card. I am sorry for your loses, but is that really how you want them remembered. Bringing them up in the midst of a debate to cement your point. I call that cheap.

Most pro-Arab posters on this website want to see Israel entirely dissmantled, whereas I want to see the Jews have a homeland under the pre-June 1967 borders. Does that make me radical or moderate?

It is funny that you believe I am entirely free of suffering even though I come from Yugoslavia myself. You see I can play that card aswell. I have lost familly aswell. Just as mine is irrelevant to the debate, so is yours.

Originally posted by projectvxn
Oh I see, because I don't agree with all the "Let's destroy Israel" propaganda I'm a Zionist operative working to disinform...And all of this means I hate Palestinians.

Gotcha

You can claim we hate jews but i can't claim you hate palestinians?

Gotcha

I only post what I see as a thread.

And I think it is pretty messed up that a people will use a book that they found that is thousands of years old as the reason to invade, torture, rape and kill while stealing other's land - all the time saying that the book said they could!

This isn't about hating Jews, it is about hating what Israel is doing!