New York state just passed same sex marriage bill

Originally posted by ButterCookie
I believe that gay people should have been able to marry a long time ago...

Marriage is a state-instituted ceremony that announces the civil union between two people. Same as a civil union anyway.

You should be able to 'marry' anyone you want. Its simply a legal contract and not one that promises matrimony.

Yes, but it is one that comes with state given benefits. It's good to see other people who realize it's only a "legal contract" that enables certain tax codes.

Like you said, it does not promise matrimony.

reply to post by Laokin


You can spin this all you want but everyone knows it's unnatural. That is why gays don't come out, they know it's wrong in their heart and can't come to terms with it. Only after other deviates convince them it's OK do they finally give in to their unnatural desires.
To each their own... the devil comes to steal, kill, and destroy.

Once again we have special rights for some and equal rights for no one. Maybe now that this has been pushed upon the majority, a strong push back is in order. The funny thing no one is talking about is the "defense of marriage act Bush passed" which trumps this law being that gay marriage will effect taxes. So don't get too comfortable with the attempt at legal perversion. Oh and before any of the useful idiots say "obama said he wouldn't enforce these federal laws" remember he and holer has to or they can be impeached and jailed. So again don't get used to gay marriage, federal law trumps state on this matter, and with a conservative House of Reps the law Bush signed will never be repealed. You have won nothing!

Originally posted by discharged77
This has nothing to do with being a bigot, what is wrong with civil unions?

It would create a second class citizen.

I can hear it now: "Na Na Na Na - I'm better then you are. I'm married. That makes my union sanctioned by God. You are just a legal paper for benefits.

America is built on equality. Not about giving one group power over another.

Originally posted by Soldier of God
reply to post by Laokin

 

You can spin this all you want but everyone knows it's unnatural. That is why gays don't come out, they know it's wrong in their heart and can't come to terms with it. Only after other deviates convince them it's OK do they finally give in to their unnatural desires.
To each their own... the devil comes to steal, kill, and destroy.

"Everyone knows it's unnartural." Except all the straight people in this thread pointing to the evidence that it is 100% totally natural.

Maybe they don't come out, because they don't want to be killed or hurt or demonized by the biggots like you who would deprice them of their legal rights.

But #, I guess I haven't a clue what I'm talking about....

Originally posted by Soldier of God
To call a union of two persons of the same sex a "marriage" is a misnomer. In the Bible, marriage is a divinely ordered institution designed to form a permanent union between one man and one woman for one purpose (among others) of procreating or propagating the human race. That was God's order in the first of such unions (Genesis 1:27, 28; 2:24; Matthew 19:5).

i'm fairly certain Polygamy is not defined as "One man & One woman" and the bible is full of polygamy...
Lamech, Abraham, Jacob, David and Solomon all had multiple wives.

In 2 Samuel 12:8, God said that if David’s wives and concubines were not enough, He would have given David even more. Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines, according to 1 Kings 11:3.

concubines!!!!


in other words, cherry picking quotes from a source that contradicts itself is not the wisest tactic for a logical debate.
but alas, logic at this point, has left the building.


"anything done for love is beyond good and evil" Nietzsche.

reply to post by Laokin


Actually the majority of Americans are Christian, so you are terribly mistaken, or just blatently lieing. Face it, we are a Judeo-Christian nation, and always have been. I know the bigote left loves to distort facts but this one is not hard to prove wrong. Look it up an you will see the truth

A male concubine, by any other name, is still a male concubine. When the Goth' were given power by the desperate Roman citizenry in 476 AD, the first thing they did was to reform the despicable state of affairs that existed then. So the New King of Rome, after receiving the Imperial ensigns from the boy Emperor Romulus Augustus, made the Imperial Decree; "That one man marries one woman, and no homosexual activity allowed, under pain of death". Western Europe has lived and flourished under this decree up to the present era. I don't think anyone can find a society that allows polygamy, polyandry, or a bound, same sex concubine, anywhere from the Islamic boundaries in Africa, to Hawaii. We are supposed to live under British Common Law, espoused as supreme in our Constitution. When the full import of this nonsense is understood, and a little history goes a long ways, here, the politicians who voted this way will be toast. No creditable person, straight or gay, could ever want to re-visit the decadence and misery of the last twenty years of the; "Christianized Western Roman Empire. Farmers there who couldn't pay the Capita (Head Tax), were actually selling themselves into slavery, to pay their Capita tax, in order to prevent the Gov't from seizing their sons as property, and selling them to homosexual corporations, to pay their delinquent taxes when they died. All the provinces in the West honored the Roman populace's embrace of the new King, of Rome, and followed his leadership. This is why we have nuclear families throughout Western Europe and both North and South America. BTW, there weren't any massacres, only a 250 year long land rush business in founding Monasteries and Convents, out of the ruined Roman Villas, or "Fundiis". These vast tracks fell apart in the endless volcanic winters brought on by two eruptions of Krakatoa; in 450AD, and later in 530AD.
If you think this is just ancient history; Napoleon Bonaparte put his only legitimate son on the throne in Rome, making him the new 'King of Rome'. But a new volcanic eruption of Tambora, threw his Russian campaign into a new volcanic winter, which was called the year without a summer. That forced him into exile and removed his family from their usurped thrones across Europe. Connect the dots, and I think you will see that the push for monogamy always seems to come from Indonesia, one way or the other.

Originally posted by Soldier of God
reply to post by Laokin

 

You can spin this all you want but everyone knows it's unnatural. That is why gays don't come out, they know it's wrong in their heart and can't come to terms with it. Only after other deviates convince them it's OK do they finally give in to their unnatural desires.
To each their own... the devil comes to steal, kill, and destroy.

As a gay guy, i'll let you know firsthand...anal sex is natural and very enjoyable..

God and the devil are simply figments of your imagination, and unlike you they do not scare me.

No one convinced me to come out when i was 18, i decided to be true to myself.

When i was a teenager i had a girlfriend...kissing her was the most unnatural feeling i have ever had..the first time i locked lips with a dude i knew that was right for me.

Originally posted by nonapologetic
Once again we have special rights for some and equal rights for no one.

Except in New York.

Source your crap or let it sit as what it is. Crap.

How can offering people the exact same federal benefits be anything but equal rights? Explain unlike the 20-some before you preaching the same illogical nonsense or kindly shut up and leave.

Maybe now that this has been pushed upon the majority, a strong push back is in order.

Oh, what was that about 'destroying families'? Sorry, but "over my dead body", and I'm Canadian. You obviously have no idea what your country is about; absolutely pathetic.

The funny thing no one is talking about is the "defense of marriage act Bush passed" which trumps this law being that gay marriage will effect taxes.

Who the hell respects anything George Bush had to say? Surely only people of equal idiocy to the fleeting moronic then-representation of the country. That man was an embarrassment to the developed world, never mind just America.

So again don't get used to gay marriage, federal law trumps state on this matter, and with a conservative House of Reps the law Bush signed will never be repealed.

More proof that you know nothing about your own country.

You have won nothing!

Stop pretending it's some sort of contest, goof. Unless, of course, all marriage means to you is that you're better than the homosexuals, in which case I'm sure you have a REAL functional "family" .

reply to post by Soldier of God

You can spin this all you want but everyone knows it's unnatural.

What are you doing behind a computer, then? Computers dont grow on trees, too..

Unnatural does not mean bad.

Also, homosexuality occurs in nature, too, so how is it unnatural? They are not made in factories..

Originally posted by Soldier of God
reply to post by Laokin

 

You can spin this all you want but everyone knows it's unnatural. That is why gays don't come out, they know it's wrong in their heart and can't come to terms with it. Only after other deviates convince them it's OK do they finally give in to their unnatural desires.
To each their own... the devil comes to steal, kill, and destroy.

Gawd - I hate this ignorant crap.

Gays don't come out because of persecution. A lot of it coming from hateful and ignorant God believers.

Thankfully today many God believers are recognizing that same gender attraction is a natural birthright.

It is becoming a celebration of some God believers to try to undo the hate and ignorance - - by welcoming gays and all LBGT into their churches.

reply to post by krill


Can't believe you people are actually applauding the decision to make buggery/sodomy a social institution.
All part of the master plan to erode our morals and further corrupt our society.
Our grandparents would never stand for this. Shame on you.

Originally posted by Soldier of God
reply to post by Laokin

 

You can spin this all you want but everyone knows it's unnatural. That is why gays don't come out, they know it's wrong in their heart and can't come to terms with it. Only after other deviates convince them it's OK do they finally give in to their unnatural desires.
To each their own... the devil comes to steal, kill, and destroy.

The devil is real, and it is people who think like you do.

We must rid the world of this evil, you evil sinner

reply to post by Soldier of God


Actually, most gay people don't come out in fear of judgement from bigots like you.

A God cannot hate his own creation. In the bible, it also says you can have multiple wives and sell your daughter. Interpret it the way you will, but personally, until I hear "It's wrong, stop screwing each other" from the man itself, preferably in the form of a wicked dream or some sort of Broadway performance, I'm keeping an open mind and heart.

Love has no gender.

Originally posted by SonofPeleus
reply to post by krill

 

Can't believe you people are actually applauding the decision to make buggery/sodomy a social institution.
All part of the master plan to erode our morals and further corrupt our society.
Our grandparents would never stand for this. Shame on you.

Your right, our ancestors used black people for work, they would never stand for a lot of things we did to make society a better place

It would make more sense if the government wasn't the entity that would sanction marriages. The government's role would be to only recognize legal unions between two adults. Civil unions...Not marriages. The government does not have the authority to recognize marriages the same way churches.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Soldier of God
reply to post by Laokin

 

You can spin this all you want but everyone knows it's unnatural. That is why gays don't come out, they know it's wrong in their heart and can't come to terms with it. Only after other deviates convince them it's OK do they finally give in to their unnatural desires.
To each their own... the devil comes to steal, kill, and destroy.

Gawd - I hate this ignorant crap.

Gays don't come out because of persecution. A lot of it coming from hateful and ignorant God believers.

Thankfully today many God believers are recognizing that same gender attraction is a natural birthright.

It is becoming a celebration of some God believers to try to undo the hate and ignorance - - by welcoming gays and all LBGT into their churches.

well if 2 people of the same sex want to ruin what they have with marriage then go ahead.

Originally posted by nonapologetic
reply to post by Laokin

 

Actually the majority of Americans are Christian, so you are terribly mistaken, or just blatently lieing. Face it, we are a Judeo-Christian nation, and always have been. I know the bigote left loves to distort facts but this one is not hard to prove wrong. Look it up an you will see the truth

"Bigot left" that's good stuff.

a Bigot is defined as: "one intolerantly devoted to his own belief, party, religion, or opinion."

that pretty much defines the bible-thumping rhetoric that finds it's way into this debate.

the quote from the Statue of Liberty, along with that rather nifty piece of legislature we call the 1st amendment, about sums it up.

“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.”

breathe free... free from theocracies. free to celebrate divinity in any way we choose (or choose not to, for that matter.)