White House: Gaza flotilla activists may be breaking U.S. law

reply to post by backinblack


The USS Liberty incident was utterly a boondoogle. And it happened, when? Oh yea, back in '67. I think that those responsible should have been brought to the US for trial. But it didn't happen and most of those involved back than are now dead themselves.

Bringing up that 'ol horse from the grave is getting old. It's dead. Israel and the US reached an agreement on that a bit ago.

It's a bad piece of history and every nation has those.

reply to post by TDawgRex

A UN recognized Nation.

Well mate, Palestine would probably be a "UN recognized Nation" also if the UN was truly a democratic body..
But sadly we have the dreaded VETO vote and now we even have the US openly blackmailing the UN with threats of no funding if they support a State of Palestine..

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to right man just like germany killed americans,japan killed americans,england killed americans etc.

the past is the past

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Bringing up that 'ol horse from the grave is getting old. It's dead. Israel and the US reached an agreement on that a bit ago.

Nothing is dead until the truth is known..

BTW, it was the only such incident NOT investigated by congress..
Don't you find that odd??

Originally posted by filosophia

Originally posted by nightbringr

Originally posted by backinblack

Originally posted by nightbringr
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What did the nazis do to America before the USA joined world war 2? Nothing. Do you suggest the US should never have fought them?

Umm, Japan was an ally of Germany and attacked a US navy base killing a few thousand Americans..
I wouldn't exactly call that nothing.

So again, what has Hamas don to the US please ??

Lets see.............

Umm, Israel is an ally of the USA, and Hamas has performed many terrorist operations against Israel and its people. I wouldn't exactly call that nothing.

Israel has also caused terrorist acts against the US (USS liberty and 9/11).

Yep! I agree, Israel should have been held to account for that. I never said Israel was without blame, did i?

Originally posted by backinblack
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Umm, Israel is an ally of the USA, and Hamas has performed many terrorist operations against Israel and its people. I wouldn't exactly call that nothing.

Tell that to the survivors of the USS Liberty and the grieving families of the dead..
I'm sure they'll agree Israel is a US ally.

Really, what has Israel done to be a US ally?
Seems like a one way street to me..

That may or may not be. And yes, i agree. Israel should have been held accountable for the USS Liberty incident.

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No, I don't find it odd. Israel acknowledged attacking the Liberty. Their own people were tripping over themselves trying to point the finger at the other guy and we all know how that works in government. Eventually only lower ranking people take the heat, or no one does. We see it here in the US all the time. I guess I'm a bit of a cynic.

But dredging up old history only serves as a lesson learned. The Liberty incident has no meaning on the Gaza Flotilla today.

Like I said, if they'll let a Israeli governmental delegation on board from the get go and stay with the entire voyage, they have nothing to hide and the flotilla gets through.

If the ships arrive and the delegation goes home to family, everything is cool. If the delegation is taken hostage or killed (due to a lack of daily communication), then Israel has every right to sink those ship with everybody and everything on them.

Even better yet, let’s have Israeli custom agents accompany US Custom agents inspect the ship here before they depart. Then they are escorted the entire way by a US Navy destroyer to ensure that there is no off shore transfers.

Would that be humanitarian enough?

Originally posted by lifeissacred
reply to post by TDawgRex

 

You're missing the point. Israel currently has a monopoly on what goes in and out of Gaza (though the opening at Rafah may change this). The point of these flotillas and aid convoys is to provide much needed food, medical supplies and building materials to the people of Gaza because the aid coming from elsewhere is too thinly spread and takes too long to get to Gaza.

No, I get what you are saying. Israel does have points of access to Gaza and they are few. And taking into account searching every truck that passes definitely slows things to a creep.

But there is the security issue as well. Nowadays, I can run to the local hardware store and with a few bucks come up with some pretty nasty weapons in a short period of time. There is that factor to weigh in as well.

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Of course there are going to be security concerns I don't doubt that. However there will never be the chance for a viable two state solution as long as Israel maintains a blockade on Gaza which effectively restricts them to being almost completely dependent on Israel for their aid.

I mean look at it from the Palestinian perspective for a second, thousands of homes, businesses, schools and other public buildings get reduced to rubble in airstrikes, then building materials and medical supplies are a scarcity because everything which goes into Gaza is bogged down and under so much scrutiny from Israel, and to top it all off, humanitarian aid convoys aren't even allowed to enter Gaza from the sea, some countries declaring them illegal before they even set off to deliver the aid. I'd say the Palestinians have every right to be p***ed off by the worlds seeming unwillingness to help them.

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But that's ignoring another issue and that's what Israel considers "banned goods"..

I mean, have you seen their ridiculous list?

Also, many consider the entire blockade illegal including me..

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I would like to see the list.

Have you considered my idea though? Not that it makes any difference, but what do you think?

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Have you considered my idea though? Not that it makes any difference, but what do you think?

Would be fine IF they sorted out that list in a reasonable fashion..

I mean chocolate and writing paper isn't exactly dangerous along with many of the other banned items..

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What they mean to say is, "You can't help those non-white people, because we haven't finished sucking them dry for any possible wealth they may have."

Typical. Our founding fathers would be ashamed of this lampoon that our nation has made of liberty.

I recently watched The Soprano's, all 6 seasons, over the course of a week. I seriously have a hard time differentiating the Mafia from the US Government.

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guess you never watched mcgiver.

let eric holder decide, they will go and get their a** kicked by isreal and then the US.

wait! holder? sorry, they are ok, just some misunderstanding.

some people just don't use their heads.

Originally posted by fooks
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guess you never watched mcgiver.
let eric holder decide, they will go and get their a** kicked by isreal and then the US.
wait! holder? sorry, they are ok, just some misunderstanding.
some people just don't use their heads.

I have absolutely no idea about what you are trying to say.

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Wait, wait, wait..

Just wait one second.

Are you suggesting assassinating American citizens who hasn't been charged, nor convicted of any crime is not illegal but protesting the collective punishment of millions is?

Are you suggesting spying on Americans illegally is legal, but protesting the collective punishment of millions is illegal?

We are living in the age of opposite, where terrorists are called liberators, freedom fighters are called terrorists, legal is called illegal, illegal is called legal, men are called women and women are called men, knowledge is called ignorance and paranoia, wilful ignorance is called wisdom, occupation is called Democracy, colonization is called freedom...

I love this day and age.

Originally posted by confreak
We are living in the age of opposite

Sad, but true. . .

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
Breaking US law?

I did not know GAZA was the 51st US state.

You think thats bad, they want to try to jail British citizen in the US whos never been to the US and hasnt done anything wrong under UK law.

Team America, world police!

How nice it is we are talking about "Braking the Law"

When the elite break the law with lies about WMD and Bombing civilains in Libya then nothing is said yet providing aid to gaza is breaking the laws.

Time we showed our corrupt politicans just what the law is and hung them for the treason they commit because that is the price for treason afer all.

The nonsence of this whole situation is that if you leave men without work, dignity and occasionally blast them to hell, you have created an enemy that will fight you to the death.

If you give men work, dignity and pride you funnily enough get a successful country - which Israel is not. The Palestinians have to decide about Hamas themselves, no one else can. But we can provide some of the things those people desperately need.

Also it improves Arab Western relations which may also be something Israel does not wish to see. Those that ultinately will have to face compromise are a few hard-nosed politicians and racist groups which do not include the majority of this world or the normal Jew who just wants peace (and quiet) about the whole dam issue.