Anxious and worried about the decision I have made for my son, regarding the MMR vaccination.

reply to post by KatieVA


The horrors we go through with our kids at early ages right? I can sympathize. My daughter I will tell you did have the MMR, she has turned out to be fine. However, the research states quite clearly that Autism is much more prevalent in boys then in girls. Not much help I'm afraid. As for the rash....I can ease your fears there. My daughter has had the MMR and yet still gets rashes. When she was 12 months old, right on the morning of her birthday party, she was covered head to toe in a rash....I thought it could be anything....doctor told me it was probably her 12 month roseola, quite common and they can get it all the way up to age 3. They can still get it after 3....but its not very common after that. About a year ago she again broke out head to toe in a rash..they thought it was German Measles and she even tested positive for it, except..she had the MMR????? turned out the test was showing antiboities, but they were not active. Again, probably either a reaction to something and no we never figured out what it was, or again, Roseola, she was fine after 3 days. I also have a 10 year old daughter and she went through the same thing as a toddler. Its just their bodies adjusting to the outside world. He'll get more rashes as his toddler years go on. He may even get fevers and feelings of not being well, along with them, but all in all, most likely nothing to fear. When to fear? fever lasting more than 2 days (high fever) lumps not just rash (measles)

Just cross your fingers and hope yours isn't as susceptible to stomach flu as mine is....I swear...all she has to do is hear the word in order to catch it. We were in the emergency room for the first time this year due to a very bad case of it.

They'll freak you out they'll make you worry, and then they bless us with Grandchildren where we get to sit back and watch them help to pay us back! LOL

I would recommend reading what Dr. Tenpenny has to say about the topic. I wish I had the knowledge of these topics when my son started the vaccinating program. I took him off the program 2 years ago, and I do not regret it.

drtenpenny.com...

Read as much as you can on both sides before making any decisions. And don't be either anxious or worried, it doesn't help much. You know that you want's what best for your son and that is what you will base your decision on no matter what.

Good luck!

reply to post by KatieVA


I think every parent out there questions whether or not to get their children vaccinated. I know that the schools require the children to be vaccinated. I have also seen outbreaks of whooping cough (Pertussis) and chicken pox (Varicella) because children are not vaccinated. Heaven forbid there be a break out of measles or small pox or polio!!

I had both of my children vaccinated and they have had all of the vaccinations. They have not had any complications. They are both healthy and are both quite intelligent. My daughter has over a 3.5 and is taking honors courses.

It is an individual family decision. I completely understand the risks. However, if you do not get the vaccinations, be prepared to have difficulty with the schools and maybe the health departments if it is not for religious reasons that you are declining them.

Ask yourself, "do the manufacturers of this vaccine care for me? Or are they doing this for other reasons?".

I would trust my instinct over what a corporation says anyday...

reply to post by Klassified


So how do these kids get in to primary school? Don't they demand a check of their vaccine records? They do here in Australia or they are not allowed in school.

My daughter had all of her vaccines, to no ill effect. I didn't really know any better at the time.

If it makes you feel any better, I had all of these diseases as a child...measles, shingles, mumps, german measles, scarlet fever, chicken pox, purpurea ( and prob others that I do not remember, I had 3 siblings and a ton of cousins, so this stuff got around fast and plenty). I am a healthy adult (as far as I know, haven't been to the doc in years, except once for some muscle relaxers...I pulled a muscle in my back)

It is your decision to make. Either way you could be putting your child at risk.

I believe the most important thing is to make sure your child has a healthy IMMUNE SYSTEM, which sometimes means going against your better judgement and letting them get dirty (a dirty kid is a happy kid!)
Also, when they do start school expect the first year to be filled with fevers and strep, unless they are around alot of other kids before they start school. They will build immunity to all that stuff as they are exposed to it.

It is extremely difficult to make decisions about healthcare these days. Pharmaceuticals abound, uneducated doctors, recalls and autism, side effects, etc. Scary stuff.

Good luck to you friend.

reply to post by KatieVA


The older the child the less chances for bad reactions to the vaccine, so If you still feel guilty when he is at school age, at least you have waited enough for your decision, at that time you may be pressed by the school system to vaccinate him.

You are the mother and the best judge of what your child needs, if you have a gut feeling about the vaccine and your child please follow your gut feeling.

BTW you can alwasy school him at home during the primary years.

Thank you so much for all your advice and input guys, I shall bare it all in mind!

Here are some interesting videos that should help ease your mind.




Try not to get caught up with the media scare stories.
www.badscience.net...

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by Klassified

 

So how do these kids get in to primary school? Don't they demand a check of their vaccine records? They do here in Australia or they are not allowed in school.

Not sure about Australia, but in the states there is a form parents can get that lets them opt-out. Most schools will deny this form exists, but it does, and you really have to push hard for it. And they can get a bit nasty over it too.

At this point, even though they say it's a law, it isn't in most places. Yet. But at some point I'm sure this will change, and parents will then have to make a choice. Home school, or inject our children with more poisons. And it will get worse from there, I'm sure.

This is a very controversial issue. And people have strong opinions on both sides. And I don't begrudge anyone for their stance. I do know however, if the public doesn't take a stand, and hold big pharma and TPTB accountable...

reply to post by KatieVA


I have had type 1 diabetes since the age of two. Most doctors say that this type "runs in the family." Funny thing is I got the diabetes shortly after I got the MMR vaccine. I'm not saying it's the vaccine that caused it, but my personal opinion is that they COULD have harmful side effects. The potential for bad reactions to vaccines is well known.

Originally posted by KatieVA
Thank you so much for all your advice and input guys, I shall bare it all in mind!

Katie, I gave it to both my girls, i felt the positives outweighed the negatives, measles can be nasty and mumps especially so for boys. YOu do what you feel is right, do a bit of research, but im not sorry i gave it to them.
Also the bichon in your avatar is a beauty, ive got one, theyre crazy little dogs arent they? But a bit daft.

reply to post by spolvil


Its call vericella vaccine. I heard chicken pox as an adult it way worse

I had the MMR, my husband had the MMR, our kids had the MMR.....everyone I know had the MMR ...and guess what...we all didn't get these horrible diseases, and did not pass it one to anyone else. Don't let your children suffer from Mumps, Measles and Rubella because of some hysteria about vaccinations.

reply to post by KatieVA


I honestly will not offer you specific medical advice.

I will however advise you to take those horror stories with a grain of salt. As many of them are more paranoia and assumptions than substance. One thing being that the preservative free immunizations are much more widely used in this day and age.. as I have seen every jab that's gone in my arm, all have been preservative free for the past five years.

Then there's no proven link between autism and vaccines, and even if there were.
If you decide to go through with it.. and you will need to if you want to put your son in school.. I would suggest asking for a preservative free vaccine.

And stop listening to paranoid people on the internet. They give bad advice, and most of these vaccine nay sayers don't even have any education in biology. All they know is what some other paranoid jackass told them.

reply to post by jrmcleod

Having a lock on your doesn't guarantee someone won't kick the door in.

So why have the lock for them to break? Just let them in.

reply to post by InFriNiTee


I would say that's not even remotely likely..

Considering that's an entirely different system than what a vaccine would effect.

My son received his first set of vaccinations and developed signs of autism right away. Needless to say he never got the second set. He has autism.

On another note. I believe that it is more common to believe that the cause is from the thimerosal perservative and not the vaccine itself. I was told that with this perservative that 10 applications can come from one bottle and it extends the shelf life of the vaccine. However, I believe that since the hyperdermic is discarded after every application that the vaccines should be packaged this way. This is just my opinion.

Here is the first article that pops up when I google "thimerosal and autism". The concern is real and nothing I've made up.

pediatrics.aappublications.org...

Well, no one can tell you to take a vaccine or not because it's you decision at the end of the day. I can see why giving your child a vaccination would upset you, and how it can upset the child when they have it, and can cause illness for a few days.

Therefore all I can really say is this; I, like a lot of other people, have had the injection, and every other injection offered to me (including flu vaccinations, seasonal and swine) because of a pre-existing medical condition which means my immune system might not be up to scratch to actually cope with things like this as well as other people. Frankly, I think I probably could deal with flu on my own, but I'd rather not risk maybe getting something and ending up in hospital, you know? I also work in a medical environment, so I'm a bit less paranoid and probably a bit more flippant about medicine than most people on this board. I tend to trust the safety of medicine, as I know about the protocols. I also know where the protocols go wrong and sadly, for me, that seems to be picked up upon and talked about more than the good points of modern medicine. I've heard some horrific stories, but I can also see the good, and for me, the good outweighs the bad. That's through personal choice, and I'm sure many people would disagree with me, and that's fair enough because we all have our own thoughts and we all deserve the right to be able to make up our own minds on things.

There are a hell of a lot of horror stories about injections out there, I'm aware of this, but there are also a lot of good reasons to vaccinate a child too. You just need to dig them up. You made the decision for the child which you believed was best and that's completely your choice and perfectly fine, but now you're having doubts about it which means you need to think about it some more, and I'd suggest you do some research on it as this will either confirm your doubts, which will mean you've made the right decision, or not, in which case it isn't too late to rectify it.

Basically, all anyone can suggest is that you research the pros and cons, and make the decision for yourself, and nothing that anyone says can take that away from you, so remember that. This child is yours and you need to do what you completely believe is best for him. I won't explain how vaccinations work, or the good they do, just as people shouldn't explain what harm they can cause because I don't think anyone has the right to. I, as probably most people here, would know what I'd do in your situation, but this is your child and the risk is his of being ill, either from the vaccine or not. Therefore, I can't be much help to you, and I'm sorry about that because I'm pretty sure this isn't the answer you wanted while posting the thread. Unfortunately, no one can take that responsibility, so offering support and advice is really the only thing I can do. Go on some medical websites, read some journals or papers, look up the research on the pros and cons and hopefully you'll find yourself an answer. (If you need help finding any of these, drop me a U2U and I'd be happy to point you in the right direction for both sides of the argument).

I wish you luck in making the decision that is best for you, and hope that it works out well.

Aya.

I'm very on the fence about giving my son the MMR. He's almost three, and his health visitor has been pushing and pushing for him to have it done.
Having read what exactly is in the vaccines, I'm hugely put off. Having read the side affects (and not just the potential risk of autism) I'm more so put off.
I'm on the fence because my son was born VERY premature (born at 27 weeks gestation), and his immunity was/could be/is compromised. Having said that, he's as healthy as a horse and has never had a proper illness aside from the occasional cough and cold. Due to his prematurity, I'm worried that he could be slightly autistic (he had autistic traits but nothing concrete as yet), and yes, there is a niggling worry at the back of my mind that the vaccine could push him from having traits to becoming autistic.

On the other hand, I feel that there is no need to give him everything at once in one vaccine, if he might never even contract these illnesses. I didn't have the vaccine and neither did my brother (both in our 20s). They are treatable childhood diseases, and should he get the illnesses, we'll treat them if they occur.

The other thing that worries me in regards to the extensive list of side effects, is what in the vaccine causes them? Some of them contain animal cells, and I wonder whether some of the side effects can be attributed to putting animal cells into the human body. Is this different to eating an animal?

For now, I'm standing my ground against the health visitor until I completely understand everything about what is going into my child.