Pass legislation to mandate drug testing for welfare recipients

Originally posted by ButterCookie
And many will ask, "What do we do about the children?"

Award the State custody. Point Blank. If you cannot financially support your children and then cannot or will not pass mandatory screening to receive assistance, then why do you have custody of the children in the first place?

If I was a child, I would rather be living with drug addicted parents than be handed over to the Satanic paedophiles.

A better option would be to see if another family member can look after them.

Originally posted by PhantomLimb
reply to post by ButterCookie

 

This is repugnant. Forced sterilization? I think you have some personal problems you need to take care of if you're wanting to control what goes on inside of someone's body through force by the state.

HERE HERE, I agree with you, sure we don't want to see these that get welfare doing drugs with their moneys, but these draconian measures are just a tinsey step away from being forced on other segments of society, like if you earn too little, or have mental illness or a certain disease or, or ,or the list goes on forever.

reply to post by ButterCookie
WHEN SOMETHING IS MANDITORY........... it has effectivly taken away a liberty or freedom. and if you percieve as 'death by a thousand papercuts' well you would be right. You may need to call to arms one day to preserve your freedoms...... really...

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by shushu
I beg to differ with you. Drug testing... when court ordered... always includes drugs AND alcohol testing. I can assure you that if it comes to testing for drugs before receiving welfare... it will also include alcohol. That's why I mentioned cigarettes.

A positive drug test does not confirm whether the drug was purchased with welfare money, or even purchased at all.

A negative test for alcohol does not confirm that no welfare money was spent on alcohol.

Drug tests aren't going to solve the problems they're claiming it will.

Of course positive tests wouldn't be the indicators that drugs/alcohol were purchased with the gov't benefits.

However, the main point is however they obtained money to purchase the drugs, they could do the same to eat, provide shelter, etc.

There should not be any extra money to get high, if you have declared that you need tax payers dollars to live.

Do you see that logic?

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by Maslo
I would certainly support temporary sterilization for welfare recipients, if there was a safe and cost-effective way to do it. If you cannot take care of yourself, how can you take care of your children? I understand those that believe it could be a slippery slope for other restrictions by the state, but slippery slope arguments are not enough to convince me.

While we are at it,those who are above the age of 50 should be euthanized. Lets keep the population young,and healthy !! Next,lets get rid of those with disability's. You know how much money it takes to take care of them? If they cant take care of themselves,I dont want the taxpayer burden of the "people" doing it . (Insert MEGA sarcasm in this post.)

CHILD "EUTHANASIA" PROGRAM
In the spring and summer months of 1939, a number of planners--led by Philipp Bouhler, the director of Hitler's private chancellery, and Karl Brandt, Hitler's attending physician--began to organize a secret killing operation targeting disabled children. On August 18, 1939, the Reich Ministry of the Interior circulated a decree compelling all physicians, nurses, and midwives to report newborn infants and children under the age of three who showed signs of severe mental or physical disability. Beginning in October 1939, public health authorities began to encourage parents of children with disabilities to admit their young children to one of a number of specially designated pediatric clinics throughout Germany and Austria. The clinics were in reality children's killing wards where specially recruited medical staff murdered their young charges by lethal overdoses of medication or by starvation.

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Yes,sterilize and euthanize!!!!!

You, like some others, have decided to use red herrings(smoke screens) to debate this topic.

At what point was the topic discussing to euthanize disabled people??

Originally posted by woodwardjnr

I just watched a local news segment about this topic...there was even one young man doing an interview outside the welfare office telling the journalists that, 'Yes, I love my weed. But what does that have to do with my welfare check? Its not like I'm going to buy my weed with the welfare check!"

reply to post by ButterCookie

 

Ever thought this guy might grow his own weed, it grows in the ground like er a "weed". Why are you so obsessed with having your fellow citizens tested and punished? Why do you only advocate drug testing for social but not corporate welfare recipients? Why are you so keen to see a private company make money on the backs of the poorest in your society?

Seriously??

If the guy WAS growing his own weed, then why isn't he growing his own food?????

Originally posted by ButterCookie
Yes Yes Yes... Pass this everywhere!! The legislators should not worry about being politically correct and get this done already! And how in the world is this an invasion of 'privacy?' When you apply for PUBLIC assistance which includes PUBLIC housing, PUBLIC transportation, PUBLIC childcare, and PUBLIC benefits, you gave up your 'rights' to privacy....

YES ? or rather NO !

They have played with peoples emotions, so that they demand this to go ahead !

If they bring it in for one group, it will soon be brought in to discriminate against everyone, however how they could fully enforce it, I don't know, because the governments are behind the drug supply, at the top end. Hhell, it will soon be illegal to NOT be topping up with special medication everyday, to protect us from some pretend illness that supposedly will kill us, unless we take the stuff.

No, they just want the population weeded out, from the bottom, then further up, then even further, untill the only ones left are the top dogs, and the wealthy customers to buy their goods !

Just because you look down on the poor and unfortunate members of this sick society, just think how many hundreds of thousands of people, look down on YOU !

Originally posted by SpookyFox
reply to post by ButterCookie

 

Hahaha sod off, hitler.
While you're mutilating the poor why not go the whole way and put them into gas chambers if they can't get off the dole?
Utter nonsense.

Please stay on track of my point.

I was POOR. I was on WELFARE...I have children out of wedlock.

The difference? I chose to be a PRODUCTIVE citizen in society by being educated and contributing, instead of being life-long dependent on the backs of tax payers....

I NEVER said that we should punish the poor or all welfare recipients.

But HECK YEAH punish the ones who CHOSE this as a way of life and continue to be unproductive.

I don't remember Her Majesty's Revenue & Customs (read IRS, in the USA) testing me for drugs as they whip hundreds of pounds in taxes off my wages each month. So why should they test me when they're paying out social security benefits ? Isn't that a bit much ?

This'd be a nightmare to administer anyway. Are you going to have to join a line in a welfare office to pee in a test tube ? Do you get paid welfare while you're waiting for the test results or are you just expected to starve meantime ? Is it just current drug users ? Or shall we randomly select people to test hair samples too etc ?Prescription med abusers, painkiller abusers, alcoholics, cigarette smokers ... they get away with their own drug abuse, do they ?

The costs to administer such a scheme would more than outweigh any financial savings, what with the new staff & premises required, staff training etc etc.

It's completely unworkable.

Originally posted by warlordx32
reply to post by traditionaldrummer

 

What does envy and jealousy have to do with the fact that those people are not contributing in a working class society? They receive free cash to sit on their ass all day while doing drugs. It is not considered envy if the last thing you want to do is ruin your life. As I see it, all you are doing is spiting out Illogical statements

Thank you, and their illogical statements see to be a norm..

There is no jealousy or envy. There is disappointment that being productive, being educated, and deciding to contribute toward society is not rewarded and being lazy, populating out of control and remaining uneducated is.

Originally posted by NuclearPaul

Originally posted by ButterCookie
And many will ask, "What do we do about the children?"

Award the State custody. Point Blank. If you cannot financially support your children and then cannot or will not pass mandatory screening to receive assistance, then why do you have custody of the children in the first place?

If I was a child, I would rather be living with drug addicted parents than be handed over to the Satanic paedophiles.

A better option would be to see if another family member can look after them.

Sure, a relative could, but still that involves the state's decision. Never said they needed to remain in foster care forever.

Being born from a parent who got pregnant for the mere sake of a $200 welfare check, extra food stamps, and a larger Section 8 home is in itself ABUSE.

Originally posted by Plotus
reply to post by ButterCookie

 

WHEN SOMETHING IS MANDITORY........... it has effectivly taken away a liberty or freedom. and if you percieve as 'death by a thousand papercuts' well you would be right. You may need to call to arms one day to preserve your freedoms...... really...

Look at what we currently do with all the 'freedoms' and rights we currently have?
CRIME STATS in 2011

This is INSANE......

In this economy, with more and more jobs disappearing and more and more people relying on that temporary assistance with medical and food, you would arbitrarily lump them all into the "worthless can't care for their kids category"???? I am so glad you weren't in charge when I needed it after losing my home due to circumstances out of my control, I would have shot anyone coming in to take my children because of someone else's screw up. Yes I needed Food Stamps for a while as my money was going to cover the gaps in my insurance that they wouldn't pay twords the care and benefit of 3 DISABLED children. But it was short term that i needed them, but I am very glad that the system was there for that short time.

Sterilization? Drug Testing? You do realize that with the drug testing you just cut every person that is injured and can't work that is on some sort of narcotic LEGALLY from getting assistance don't you?

Gods... people need to read what they type sometimes.. hurting people and forcing inhumane treatment upon them is not the way to go..

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reply to post by ButterCookie


There is alot of people on welfare and no they did not give up their privacy, everyone is entitled to that. Do you realize how much that would cost to drug test millions of people

Military spending is military industrial complex corporate welfare that millions depend on.

I am fairly certain that to proceed with this mindset...the first people we should sterilize is the military families who cannot find any better way to make a living then by joining in the killing of innocent men, women and children the world over and I should add "without much thought" as I know plenty of them and they indeed take little to no thought concerning the lives that they MOST CERTAINLY helped to eliminate/sterilize etc etc.

It may be true that the economic conditions produced by decades of Corporate Fascism forces many to consider the military rather then poverty yet if they thought about it, they are more or less choosing to kill rather then to be poor.

Kill in the marines, sell crack to your neighborhood... I see little difference yet that the crack doesnt always kill people while the bombs most certainly do.

Fascism... Nationalism... and you...

reply to post by ButterCookie


Then they better drug test ALL the people who work too then!Because what is more important?Finding out people who pay taxes for welfare and deserve it because they pay,and spend a little on drugs,or people that screw up at work and kill someone?It's not like they give you welfare if you don't pay rent so if the welfare people were hardcore drug addicts they wouldn't get welfare because they don't pay their rent.And when you don't pay rent you get cut off.

What about all the legal drugs?What about alcohol?Are you going to test for that too?

They should be more worried about people who work and are on drugs,because if they are high and they screw up at work it could kill someone.

If you're going to waste money testing people,then you better test everyone and not just a few unlucky unemployed people.

I don't think anyone has addressed the point that all a person has to do is take a codeine pain pill for a headache and WHAMMO - suddenly they don't get welfare benefits because some trumped up git decided it was a good thing to drug test people on welfare.

Something as simple as a Tylenol (Panadeine here in Australia), or some other opiate or other based legal prescription drug could send someone spiralling into poverty and starvation.

I'd say food for thought but I'm afraid that won't deter those people who think they know better.

reply to post by Niall197


Ohh so they want to test only for illegal drugs but not alcohol or cigarettes or percocets or the other thousands of legal drugs no they just want to make sure you are buying THEIR drugs and alcohol.Bunch of gangsters trying to cut out the middle man.

People will just start buying legal drugs or alcohol..but that's okay because you are buying from the government!

Pass legislation to mandate drug testing for welfare recipients

Pass legislation to mandate psychiactric testing for congress pushing warfare

Why do we focus on the guy picking up a free peanut and ignore the person stealing a steak. Yes, drug testing should be done...but lets focus on the big guys first, then we can stomp on yolanda recieving her fat 500$ paycheck a month while smoking something currently illegal...just my opinion..