Please Read This: You Can Make A Difference. The Only Law We Really Need.

Our ONE and ONLY necessary law is TRUE freedom.

We think we as American's are free because we are democratic capitalists.

TRUE freedom happens when everything is free and there are no restrictions on creative expression. Then the social hierarchies break down and there is no more rebellion and no more greed.

Socialism? No! Humanity-ism.

Freedom is not allowed because we don't have faith in ourselves to be free. We think if humans were allowed true freedom, we would destroy everything ceaselessly.

If you think we're free here in America you are way wrong.

As long as there's someone in charge writing laws, you will never be free. The only law should be freedom.

And believe it or not, it is a strict law and is challenging even for someone who isn't high up in the governmental hierarchy to respect. Allowing freedom is an effort that goes deeper than simply not having laws.

We have two arms, and if you break someone's arm in a fight, well you have restricted their freedom of expression, and you broke the law. When you tell someone what to do, you have restricted that person's freedom of creative expression to conform to your selfish ideal. You just broke THE law. When you lock your dog in a cage, you break the law.

What about things that aren't covered here under the law of freedom like theft? Well maybe theft is a reaction to an oppressive society. In a world where everything is free, who would steal? In this way, theft is an illusion.

You might say, "If I let my child do whatever he/she wants, there would be anarchy and mayhem", but perhaps the child's choice to be destructive when allowed freedom is a rebellious reaction to oppressive parents?? Perhaps they are naturally, and illogically destructive. In this case, the law of freedom might need a slight suspension for disciplinary reasons until that child is old enough to make logical decisions with their freedom on his/her own.

In any case, you might think you're free here but you're not even close. When's the last time you went the speed limit in fear of being issued a ticket when you knew you could successfully and safely navigate that road at a much higher speed. If you counted all the time you would have saved at the end of your life had you not gone the speed LIMIT, you would have had much more opportunities to be productive and thus improve your quality of life. This is just one simple example of how restrictions and laws are keeping us from our potential and how we are not truly free whether you would accept that notion or not. There are many examples and you can ponder them yourself, and post them here if you think of one.

Freedom just might be the Rosetta Stone that could send our world into an age of peace and prosperity.

If we were allowed our God given right to true freedom, things would be better.

Originally posted by smithjustinb
In a world where everything is free, who would steal? In this way, theft is an illusion.

In a world where everything is free, who would create?

I understand what you're saying and agree with most of it. Unfortunately though, most of humanity isn't ready for this level of awareness, ability and understanding.

As long as we have government and religion (Control),
and money and markets (Greed),
we won't have true freedom

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Once money was created....FREEDOM WENT OUT THE WINDOW!!!

Get rid of money...BRING BACK FREEDOM!!!

Originally posted by Nosred

Originally posted by smithjustinb
In a world where everything is free, who would steal? In this way, theft is an illusion.

In a world where everything is free, who would create?

I would.

Originally posted by Screwed

Originally posted by Nosred

Originally posted by smithjustinb
In a world where everything is free, who would steal? In this way, theft is an illusion.

In a world where everything is free, who would create?

I would.

Me too. As human beings, you are more naturally creative than you are slaves to the system. Creativity and freedom are god given attributes.

Originally posted by Screwed
I would.

'Create' as in 'produce', as in growing crops, manufacturing clothing, making shoes, building houses, building vehicles, building roads, etc.

If you want to live in a society you must give up parts of your freedom. They go hand in hand and you will never have total freedom if you want to maintain rules. You may think that total freedom will do away with crimes and bad behavior but these things do not have freedom as their underlying motivator.

Some people will do harmful things regardless of how much freedom is giving to them. Some people by themselves on an island will still pull the wings off of fly's just to be evil. When this happens the society will have to impede on his freedoms to protect theirs making your theory invalid.

What you propose is a Utopia that has no basis in reality.

A world without laws would lead to anarchy, chaos and lack of freedoms - the freedom to live a safe and happy life and prosperous life.

Sorry, but I do not agree. Some laws are ridiculous, but most laws are in place to protect us.

How about all those that want zero laws, go live on an island and see how that works out....

Originally posted by Nosred

Originally posted by Screwed
I would.

'Create' as in 'produce', as in growing crops, manufacturing clothing, making shoes, building houses, building vehicles, building roads, etc.

Freedom doesn't mean manufacturing plants have to close down.

So you're all willing to create and then give it all away for free?

Where's the incentive?

If everything and everyone was free, what's to stop everyone from heading to the beach everyday and ignoring the important things like gathering food? Or feeding your children? Or building safe buildings? Or doing life saving surgery?

People do things for money (or advantage). If there was no advantage half the people would stop doing anything..

Soo.. good luck with that..

Whilst this theory sounds ideal I don't believe it would work for many reasons.

If, in my expression of true freedom I wanted to thump someone in the face would that be ok? No, of course not, so you would need someone or something to enforce those rules right?
So who enforces the rules? Who writes those rules? What if not everyone agrees to those rules? Who is in charge, who makes the final decision?

We can never be truely free, but we could start by removing money from society. This I believe is the real "prison" keeping us all from freedom.

Originally posted by smithjustinb
Freedom doesn't mean manufacturing plants have to close down.

Yet they still would. What factory worker in his right mind is going to work several hours a day for nothing? What point would there be inspecting the quality of products being manufactured on an assembly line when you can just take whatever you want from anyone else without paying for it?

Where's all that metal to manufacture things going to come from? You think miners are going to risk their lives every day out of the goodness of their hearts so you can get a free television? Yeah, right.

And lumberjacks who cut down trees so paper and furniture can be made, there's no way they're going to risk losing a limb or a finger every day when all they have to do to feed their families is take food from someone else.

Originally posted by juniperberry
So you're all willing to create and then give it all away for free?

Where's the incentive?

If everything and everyone was free, what's to stop everyone from heading to the beach everyday and ignoring the important things like gathering food? Or feeding your children? Or building safe buildings? Or doing life saving surgery?

People do things for money (or advantage). If there was no advantage half the people would stop doing anything..

Soo.. good luck with that..

Everybody should know that they have to do their part. Just knowing that if it is to be its up to you SHOULD be incentive enough. Knowing that if it weren't for you working, nothing would get done and everything would die.

Responsibility.

Originally posted by Mister_Bit
Whilst this theory sounds ideal I don't believe it would work for many reasons.

If, in my expression of true freedom I wanted to thump someone in the face would that be ok? No, of course not, so you would need someone or something to enforce those rules right?
So who enforces the rules? Who writes those rules? What if not everyone agrees to those rules? Who is in charge, who makes the final decision?

We can never be truely free, but we could start by removing money from society. This I believe is the real "prison" keeping us all from freedom.

There is only one rule. Freedom. If it is deemed by a court as an act you commited that has limited the free will of others, a minor sentencing would take place. Maybe you would be forced to do all the dirty work.

Originally posted by Nosred

Originally posted by smithjustinb
Freedom doesn't mean manufacturing plants have to close down.

Yet they still would. What factory worker in his right mind is going to work several hours a day for nothing? What point would there be inspecting the quality of products being manufactured on an assembly line when you can just take whatever you want from anyone else without paying for it?

Where's all that metal to manufacture things going to come from? You think miners are going to risk their lives every day out of the goodness of their hearts so you can get a free television? Yeah, right.

And lumberjacks who cut down trees so paper and furniture can be made, there's no way they're going to risk losing a limb or a finger every day when all they have to do to feed their families is take food from someone else.

edit on 22-6-2011 by Nosred because: (no reason given)

The answer to the first question is, the factory work with a sense of responsibility. The one that knows that if it is something that he/she wants to have, he/she is going to have to help create it.

We're all given creative powers, but our true creative potential is being suppresed by monetary systems. It makes us do things that we don't care anything about. Making things that we may never use all for someone else's vision. If we created what we wanted from our own vision, we would unlock a greater creative potential.

For example. If you want an ipod, go work at Apple for a day, and then you can get one. Something like that.

Originally posted by smithjustinb
Everybody should know that they have to do their part. Just knowing that if it is to be its up to you SHOULD be incentive enough. Knowing that if it weren't for you working, nothing would get done and everything would die.

Responsibility.

Yeah, coal miners are going to risk their lives every day because they need to "do their part" and because it's "the responsible thing to do". If a coal miner could put food on his families table without ever working another day in his life, you don't think he would?

Well, at least until the food ran out due to all the farmers that aren't farming and people hoarding food. I'm sure people would be carrying shopping carts full of free stuff out of their local grocery stores.

It all comes down to responsibility, and in a society where everything is free, responsibility is no longer an option as it is in the current paradigm. But feel free to take a day off and go enjoy yourself. Everyone will have a job.

Originally posted by Nosred

Originally posted by smithjustinb
Everybody should know that they have to do their part. Just knowing that if it is to be its up to you SHOULD be incentive enough. Knowing that if it weren't for you working, nothing would get done and everything would die.

Responsibility.

Yeah, coal miners are going to risk their lives every day because they need to "do their part" and because it's "the responsible thing to do". If a coal miner could put food on his families table without ever working another day in his life, you don't think he would?

Well, at least until the food ran out due to all the farmers that aren't farming and people hoarding food. I'm sure people would be carrying shopping carts full of free stuff out of their local grocery stores.

edit on 22-6-2011 by Nosred because: (no reason given)

Well perhaps extremely dangerous jobs should be left solely to machines. That would in turn expand our freedom due to the fact that you aren't losing limbs or dying.

That's not to say that we should become fully dependent on machines because that would limit our creative abilities which would in turn make us very "one-track minded" which can be seen as a limitation to freedom.

Originally posted by Nosred

Originally posted by smithjustinb
Everybody should know that they have to do their part. Just knowing that if it is to be its up to you SHOULD be incentive enough. Knowing that if it weren't for you working, nothing would get done and everything would die.

Responsibility.

Yeah, coal miners are going to risk their lives every day because they need to "do their part" and because it's "the responsible thing to do". If a coal miner could put food on his families table without ever working another day in his life, you don't think he would?

Well, at least until the food ran out due to all the farmers that aren't farming and people hoarding food. I'm sure people would be carrying shopping carts full of free stuff out of their local grocery stores.

edit on 22-6-2011 by Nosred because: (no reason given)

If the food was running out, more people would farm.