100% conclusive evidence that a plane did hit the pentagon.

Originally posted by kaya82
There was a doomsday plane spotted at the pentagon around the impact as well very interesting

I know, I'm actually quite familiar with the AFB that they are stationed at, one E-4B was dispatched to DC to pickup senior cabinet members and another (Air Force One) was already in Florida to pick up Bush and his entourage, they then came back here to coordinate from "The Underground".

The E-4B is not very suspect, in that it does not house any offensive weapon capabilities, the two fighters that are required as escorts however do (I am by no means suggesting they are culprits, just pointing out facts)

There are also reports of a C-130 in the area (shadowing Flight 77), eluded to in the Sgt Lagasse and Sgt Brooks' video in my post above, this too does not house offensive weapons either, so I personally do not see the significance, although I will admit, if true it is curious.

Afterthought, If anyone has information on the C-130 shadowing, please U2U me, it is actually more than curious to me now that I think about it, I won't speculate now but it could actually be pretty significant.

But I will let you figure this one out:

Flight time from Omaha NE (just north of Offutt, where they are stationed) to Washington DC is 2 hours and 2 minutes - TravelMath

Flight 11 impacts 1WTC at 8:46 am
Flight 175 impacts 2WTC at 9:03 am
Flight 77 impacts Pentagon at 9:37 am

IF the accounts of an E-4B near the Pentagon at the time of impact (9:37) are true AND they scrambled it the moment Flight 11 impacted, THEN instead of the normal 2 hrs it takes, on 9/11 they were able to make the journey (while "bogies" were in the air and unaccounted for) in 51 minutes, and THAT is odd.

So let me get this straight, we have video surviellance footage from when Chelsey Sullenberger crash landed the US Airways plane in middle the Hudson River, but we dont have any video of a plane entering one of the most protected buildings in the United States???? Hmmmm, kinda strange....

reply to post by Hijaqd


In this clip you can see an interview with Lt Col O'Brien, pilot of the C 130 :-

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by jhn7537


How is the Pentagon the "most protected building in the world"?

Its an OFFICE BUILDING!

Pentagon has own guard force which patrols the grounds

Also cameras are normally pointed at entry points, which is why have have video of the parking lot, but not
an otherwise back wall

Entry point to the Pentagon are on the opposite side of the building toward the Potomac River

reply to post by Immortalgemini527


Strange, my father is a Pilot and my mother used to work for an airline in various roles.

Both of them said and can plainly see, no debris, no remaining ANYTHING... if a plane THAT BIG, hit the pentagon, it wouldnt have just stopped at the first outer wall... there'd be almost nothing left of the place.

Come on now, common sense.

Your video is manufactured and anyone with a brain in their heads can see that a computer model can be made to do ANYTHING.

Deny ignorance, don't wlecome it.

Originally posted by Alfie1
reply to post by Hijaqd

 

In this clip you can see an interview with Lt Col O'Brien, pilot of the C 130 :-

www.youtube.com...

Thanks for that, that helped alot actually.

I was thinking something totally different for a moment, and NOT at all what that guy was talking about, wasn't even close to the realm of remote controlled airplanes.

Originally posted by FeralMonkeyMagic
reply to post by Immortalgemini527

 

Strange, my father is a Pilot and my mother used to work for an airline in various roles.

Both of them said and can plainly see, no debris, no remaining ANYTHING... if a plane THAT BIG, hit the pentagon, it wouldnt have just stopped at the first outer wall... there'd be almost nothing left of the place.

Come on now, common sense.

Your video is manufactured and anyone with a brain in their heads can see that a computer model can be made to do ANYTHING.

Deny ignorance, don't wlecome it.

Beats me how some truthers can still claim that at the Pentagon there was "no debris, no remaining ANYTHING" Seems to me you are embracing ignorance by refusing to google Pentagon 9/11 plane wreckage. This is an example of what is to be found :-

www.rense.com...

And I fail to see how your father being a pilot and your mother having worked for an airline makes you a crash site expert.

As regards your assertion that there would have been "nothing left" of the Pentagon if struck by a Boeing 757; have you any idea of the relative dimensions ? The fuselage of a 757 is a little over 12 feet wide and its overall wingspan is 125 feet. Each of the Pentagon's five sides is 921 feet long !

Originally posted by FeralMonkeyMagic
reply to post by Immortalgemini527

 

Strange, my father is a Pilot and my mother used to work for an airline in various roles.

Both of them said and can plainly see, no debris, no remaining ANYTHING... if a plane THAT BIG, hit the pentagon, it wouldnt have just stopped at the first outer wall... there'd be almost nothing left of the place.

Come on now, common sense.

Your video is manufactured and anyone with a brain in their heads can see that a computer model can be made to do ANYTHING.

Deny ignorance, don't wlecome it.

i only deny the ignorance that not to much structure in the world can with stand over 50 tons coming towards it a 4 to 500 mph .thats all im saying.

You can call the airplane a tin foil.

You can say the airplane was not built to do something like that.

You can say the walls were reinforced.

You can say it is no way in the world>>
DUE TO THE
’ LOGICAL’
- ‘MIND STATE’
OF the ‘CONSTRUCTION’ up load in ones brain’

HOWEVER, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH the CONSTRUCTION uploads of what has been taught to you…

This has to be uploaded in to the equation of speed, weight and explosion… in side of something.’>>>'combustion’

‘CONSTRUCTION‘, FIRST STARTS WITH THE OUTER CORE’ WHEN IT COMES TO DEFENSE.

WHAT ever happens when it breaks that outer core is only to the imagination of any scientist in the world to come up with, as pertaining to what will happen if the first line of defense is broken.


If you find one article or one note pertaining to a contact builder building a defense to stop a 757 airliner traveling at 5 hundred some mile per hour at kamikaze level upload, with a weight of 50 tons, with explosives on board ‘gasoline’, with a force of ‘combustion of the 4th kind ‘then I will be very excited to hear that.

You conspirators have to learn to use the matrix upload and learn to upload scenarios that are on this earth free of charge, it is called… ‘Common Sense of the first kind’

Your…so called pilots that dribble like babies who cry and feed you all’ the maneuver’ cannot be done script, are the same pilots looking at the same simulation that you all say isn’t credible.

So how was the entire lamppost knocked down?

What is your version of that? Loll…your missile hit the post and continued to fly towards the pentagon Really!

You see,

It is no conspiracy in the world trade or the pentagon.

The conspiracy is in the last airplane and building seven, I think if you start their, then you can work your way up to what really happened.

Conspirators are paid by the government to you know !

They even went so far as to make that the only movie, lol !

i have no idea what hit the pentagon
what i do know is your title is misleading: this video is NOT "100% conclusive evidence".
this video is a show off of services offered by a company
this video is 100% conclusive evidence of the assumptions taken into consideration and then turned into actions in the animation.

Originally posted by NeverSleepingEyes
i have no idea what hit the pentagon
what i do know is your title is misleading: this video is NOT "100% conclusive evidence".
this video is a show off of services offered by a company
this video is 100% conclusive evidence of the assumptions taken into consideration and then turned into actions in the animation.

Thats very nice to know buddy.
but to me,its 100% conclusive evidence.

One thing about life and this is 100% conclusive information..
'GOD DIDNT MAKE HUMANS TO ALL THINK LIKE ONE ANOTHER'
but thinks for your...lil opinion,its well noted.

Originally posted by Immortalgemini527

Originally posted by NeverSleepingEyes
i have no idea what hit the pentagon
what i do know is your title is misleading: this video is NOT "100% conclusive evidence".
this video is a show off of services offered by a company
this video is 100% conclusive evidence of the assumptions taken into consideration and then turned into actions in the animation.

Thats very nice to know buddy.
but to me,its 100% conclusive evidence.

One thing about life and this is 100% conclusive information..
'GOD DIDNT MAKE HUMANS TO ALL THINK LIKE ONE ANOTHER'
but thinks for your...lil opinion,its well noted.

that's right, because god didn't make anything. we invented the imaginary friend
while I'll fight for everyone's right to belief whatever silly idea they like to belief in (i like to believe in the possibility of rational explanation of reality - history recently proves me right), I strongly oppose these believes as core elements in explanations of reality.
The earth isn't flat, you know, no matter how strong the pressure of believers to make the rest of the world swallow their nonsense.

engines on a 757 weigh 6 tons each, max thrust is 20 tons each, (40000lbs divided by 2000) and lets say the jihadist pilot was running half throttle, 10 tons thrust. so each engine is striking the building with 16 tons, and seriously resisting any torque to pull it off line.
Would you please locate a picture and link it that will show the holes in the pentagon facade corresponding to the titanium and steel shafts going 500 mph? Remember, they are traveling at an approx 45 degree angle to the facade and will leave a large angular hole, not a round one.
Thank you very much for your attention to this matter.

reply to post by Immortalgemini527

You can say it is no way in the world>>
DUE TO THE
’ LOGICAL’ - ‘MIND STATE’
OF the ‘CONSTRUCTION’ up load in ones brain’

HOWEVER, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH the CONSTRUCTION uploads of what has been taught to you…

This has to be uploaded in to the equation of speed, weight and explosion… in side of something.’>>>'combustion’

‘CONSTRUCTION‘, FIRST STARTS WITH THE OUTER CORE’ WHEN IT COMES TO DEFENSE.

You conspirators have to learn to use the matrix upload and learn to upload scenarios that are on this earth free of charge, it is called… ‘Common Sense of the first kind’

Are you on something? I'm not trying to attack you either, I'm serious, if not are you having a problem?

None of what you just said actually makes sense, in this reality.

I understand that you completely buy the official version, that despite eyewitnesses that contradict the flight path of the plane, despite research and evidence from professionals (engineers, architects, pilots, military personnel, professors, physicists, law enforcement, etc), and despite the very same individuals that sold you that official story not keeping the facts straight.

But when you start talking about learning to use the matrix uploads that are on earth and free of charge, while all the while trying to maintain yourself as the "realist" and the only person that understands "reality" and throw out your "reality" checks, that's when your whole thesis falls apart.

Nothing in that post even attempts to address FeralMonkeyMagic's information, and then this:

The conspiracy is in the last airplane and building seven, I think if you start their, then you can work your way up to what really happened.

Conspirators are paid by the government to you know !

What is that even supposed to mean?

You state that there is, in your opinion, a conspiracy involving Flight 93 and 7WTC, and that "conspirators" are paid by the government, and from all of your other posts in this thread, you claim that there is NO conspiracy at all.

Is it just the overwhelming amount of evidence contradicting the official version of what happened at the Pentagon has left you at odds with yourself, and you don't quite know how to reconcile the information into your belief structure?

It's ok if your feelings on the matter have changed, and it's ok to continue to hold on to the official version in the face of facts and scientific evidence, but as your signature suggests "Last ‘Realist’ standing in the Universe of life itself !" then please at least keep it real.

Also,

Your…so called pilots that dribble like babies who cry and feed you all’ the maneuver’ cannot be done script, are the same pilots looking at the same simulation that you all say isn’t credible.

This is not really helping you to appear as someone capable of having an adult conversation, and given that the "so called pilots" you are referring to as "dribble like babies" are his parents, it comes off as insensitive and rude.

While I did enjoy your thread and the numerous intelligent posts on both sides of the debate, and learned a few things myself, if it's going to just dissolve into childish, bizarre, and rude I will sadly have to abandon what was a promising and informative thread.

Hopefully you are able to get it together and maybe salvage what was a pretty cool thread, a thread you could have been proud of.

Sincerely,

Hijaqd

Originally posted by darkstar57
engines on a 757 weigh 6 tons each, max thrust is 20 tons each, (40000lbs divided by 2000) and lets say the jihadist pilot was running half throttle, 10 tons thrust. so each engine is striking the building with 16 tons, and seriously resisting any torque to pull it off line.
Would you please locate a picture and link it that will show the holes in the pentagon facade corresponding to the titanium and steel shafts going 500 mph? Remember, they are traveling at an approx 45 degree angle to the facade and will leave a large angular hole, not a round one.
Thank you very much for your attention to this matter.

Please look at the pics contained in this link (which has been posted several times aleady in this thread btw), and tell us where you think the engines hit if you would - I certainly couldn't...

www.oilempire.us...

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That's a good site with a lot of information. Thanks for posting. The issue I still have is that, for the theory of that site to work, the plane would have to have been almost sliding on its belly. We know that couldn't have been the case, otherwise the engines would have dug into the ground. And a plane even slightly impacting the ground at those speeds would have caused bounce.

(This below is not in response to your post above)

I know this has probably been posted a million times regarding the impact. But I'm sure people have seen this video of the F-4 Phantom hitting a concrete wall at 500mph.



While I know this is not a 757, you can only imagine the damage caused by a jet that is bigger and heavier hitting a concrete wall at similar speeds. With that being said, the damage would have at least in my opinion sheered off the wings, tail, and engines. Yet all there is are a few fan blades supposedly from a 757 engine, and a few pieces of sheet metal that look like AA. Easily dropped if you could believe. The fan blades have also been speculated to be too small, and possibly from a Global Hawk engine.

I do lean towards this being a conspiracy. My only problem is, is the US Government, or even the CIA that smart as to plan all this out? Mosad maybe, but how would they get on the grounds of the Pentagon?

I dunno it all makes my head spin. I think that the bigger issue is WHO did it rather than how it was done. I don't believe it was Bin Laden's boys.



As a side note: Perhaps this is not the place to ask this question. But I've always wondered, why there is so much animosity and anger towards so called "Truthers"? Is there something wrong with wanting the full picture? I don't believe that we have received the full info on 9/11 and there are so many glaring holes in the official story. So many unanswered questions. But it seems when anyone questions the government on this position they are labeled "crazy" and "unpatriotic". Why is that?

Originally posted by Hijaqd
reply to post by Immortalgemini527

While I did enjoy your thread and the numerous intelligent posts on both sides of the debate, and learned a few things myself, if it's going to just dissolve into childish, bizarre, and rude I will sadly have to abandon what was a promising and informative thread.

As you and I are clearly on opposite sides of this debate, perhaps the following will mean something - it would be a shame if you left the conversation at this stage. It's more interesting and informative when I read posts like yours when someone actually takes the time to research and provide evidence to support their assertions as opposed to the garden variety "Anybody who believes the OS is too dumb to live" comments. This thread has been just too interesting to let a single or even a couple of people ruin it in my opinion. I just ignore those who I feel degrade it as they're in the minority - unless they really do need a b*tch slapping of course

Originally posted by DerekJR321
reply to post by userid1

 

That's a good site with a lot of information. Thanks for posting. The issue I still have is that, for the theory of that site to work, the plane would have to have been almost sliding on its belly. We know that couldn't have been the case, otherwise the engines would have dug into the ground. And a plane even slightly impacting the ground at those speeds would have caused bounce.

The following link shows what is believed to be damage caused by the jet engine approx

reply to post by DerekJR321


There were more than " a few fan blades " recovered from the Pentagon. You may be interested in this assessment of engine parts by aerospace engineers :-

www.aerospaceweb.org...

reply to post by Alfie1


Thanks. Haven't seen that site. I'll check it out.

reply to post by Immortalgemini527


its a plane its a bird its a hole.
wow op did the poles cut the wings off while traveling at top speed through a course even the best pilot cant maneuver. or did it slow down so much after 345 mph that just the nose poked through a wall and disappeared then exploded and all bones and human remains dissinagrated.

nice video op it requires no thought at all, just follow what the cartoon says and everything will be all right.