Prestigious doctor: US nuclear 'Baby valley of death,' Millions to die

EPA New Radiation Guidelines Apr 16, 2011 7:17pm by Elle D'Coda in Health If it goes through, one glass of water would equal a life-time's exposure!! And be called "safe". Amplify’d from www.peer.org Washington, DC — A plan awaiting approval by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency that would dramatically increase permissible radioactive releases in drinking water, food and soil after “radiological incidents” is drawing vigorous objections from agency experts, according to agency documents released today by Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER). At issue is the acceptable level of public health risk following a radiation release, whether an accidental spill or a “dirty bomb” attack.

The internal documents show that under the updated PAG a single glass of water could give a lifetime’s permissible exposure. In addition, it would allow long-term cleanup limits thousands of times more lax than anything EPA has ever before accepted. These new limits would cause a cancer in as much as every fourth person exposed.

“This critical debate is taking place entirely behind closed doors because this plan is ‘guidance’ and does not require public notice as a regulation would,” stated PEER Counsel Christine Erickson.

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Originally posted by tinker9917


dcoda.amplify.com...

www.peer.org...

Taken completely out of context. This discussion had nothing to do with Japan, it was about future Superfund sites in the States.

They link the actual memo here.

And there is more info:

1 and 2 and 3 and 4

I don't know exactly what they are discussing here but I will get back to it another time.

Originally posted by adeclerk

Originally posted by buskey
reply to post by Aeons

 

Sorry to be off topic for just a sec.....

Hey Aeons, my great uncle was also a Capone croney/assasin! He tried to escape and hide but they eventually caught up to him and let's just say the gas transport truck he was driving for a living 'accidentally' blew up with him in it.

Any chance we are related? All of my family is from Illinois although like you I am long distanced from them since youth.

ON TOPIC - We were living on the west coast until a month ago and I could just not stand knowing that my children were being radiated every day of their lives so we moved far away to escape the population control plan.

I just hope we got far enough away, I'm not sure any place in the world is going to be safe enough from this unprecedented catastrophe.

That's nuts, especially since there's no evidence there is any increased risk to anyone in the United States.

Not the only reason we bugged out. 'Global Financial Meltdown'......coming soon to a city near you!

We're in a place where money is not really necessary to survive and I can protect my family without fear of predation.

Thanks for worrying about me tho.

When the people start dying and the whole fraud is exposed......

There will be no where on this planet the 535 who knew the facts will be able to run and hide. Anywhere a crowd finds one they will be at the mercy of the public they betrayed. Simple N95 masks that had become damp with the breath would have saved the lives of millions.

Of course that nightmare hell is belching more into the air every day.....

Originally posted by buskey
Not the only reason we bugged out. 'Global Financial Meltdown'......coming soon to a city near you!

We're in a place where money is not really necessary to survive and I can protect my family without fear of predation.

Thanks for worrying about me tho.

That's even more nuts, no evidence to substantiate the meltdown either.

Or do you mean your disability checks are gonna dry up?

Originally posted by getreadyalready
Stressing a healthy system and making it respond actually makes it healthier, unless you over do it.

Maybe this will help us all live longer?

I wouldn't be so quick to extrapolate those results for humans, since it doesn't seem to be working out so well for smokers. Although everyone does know that one 90 something who has been smoking 4 packs a day since they were 12...

Originally posted by Laokin
No other energy source is going to kill you with one inhaled particle. That's all I have to say....

That's just inaccurate, if one particle is going to kill you, you should probably stop breathing now. That radon in your house probably isn't so good for you...

Originally posted by AnotherYOU
there's a positive outlook though

those who survive won't reproduce either...

hmmm, now who else would see this as a win/win situation...

edit on 20/6/11 by AnotherYOU because: (no reason given)

Sure if you dislike freedom, and love Theocracies, because the western nations and first world countries have nearly zero and even negative reproduction, and their growth is via immigration, so just smoke that out your pipe alone, its repulsive. All the negatives rub their hands together in gleeful delight, while envisioning a sure win of NWO and repression.

Not knowing that things aren't going to go the way they think.

reply to post by adeclerk


Here is a link about how the EPA might raise the levels of radiation levels allowed in milk and other foods. The truth is sometimes not hard too find, you just have to know how to use google. There are many other stories about the levels of radiation now being found in milk and other food products.

www.digitaljournal.com...


Actually a very intresting article which also quotes a National Academy of Science Doctor as saying no dose of radiation is harmless...so many of the OP's and others theories are not so much fear mongering after all. And since the results of any radiation poison at the levels detected so far will take years to provide any real data...I guess we will just have to wait and see.

Originally posted by DJMSN

Here is a link about hoe the EPA might raise the levels of radiation levels in milk and other foods.

They're raising the levels of radiation levels in our food?

Originally posted by DJMSN
The truth sometimes not hard to find you just have to know how to use google.

You've mastered the googling, but apparently not the source evaluation.

Originally posted by DJMSN
There are many other stories about the levels of radiation now being found in milk and other food products.

I read one or two, they said they weren't a concern.

Originally posted by DJMSN
www.digitaljournal.com...

No sources cited, from a website that shares profits between users who contribute content. Not a good source, better luck next time.

reply to post by adeclerk


You are simply placeing your head in the sand because you want to be right in an argument...the article speaks for itself even though I am not as gifted when it comes to explaining what is said. Many are quoted in the article and again if you would use your skills in finding answers instead of just winning an argument you may actually provide some proof you argument is correct.

You however are only intrested in derailing someone else's thread because you disagree with the way it is being presented. I do not have the answers but I do believe it would be stupid to ignore the fact that there is a danger to Japan and others in the world because of the accident, perhaps not as dire as some would have us believe but a danger none the less

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sarcasm and irony werent just implied, obvious really.

but never the less i agree with you.

reply to post by DJMSN


The only article it cites is about plans to change the EPA's. From 2010. Still not the FDA source I was asking for. Nice try, though.

reply to post by adeclerk


www.nuc.berkeley.edu...

Heres another....and you only asked for a source not something from the FDA...but still plenty of sources if you would just look instead trying to be right.

Now here is a link which supports your argument...not too hard to find supportive info insted of just attempts at arguing with someone....trouble is for each link that supports there others less supportive....again perhaps it is best to err on the side of caution not to the point of fearmongering but perhaps monitoring the situation just like the epa is doing as it seems the fda is not the agency to decide such matters but the epa



www.cnn.com...

Originally posted by adeclerk

Originally posted by Laokin
No other energy source is going to kill you with one inhaled particle. That's all I have to say....

That's just inaccurate, if one particle is going to kill you, you should probably stop breathing now. That radon in your house probably isn't so good for you...

well in an effort to not say what i think i will try and not seam harsh

points to note
you have the exact same posting habits and writing style of someone i am friends with
but you have pushed the ignorence button and i am interested to see how you debate,
because if im not mistaken we have talked before .................am i right?

first of all i like the way you tried to make a hot plutonium particle seem "everyday" radon exposure
/sarcasm off

the either willfull or ignorant difference between a radon gas particle and a particlate of expended nuclear fuel is like compairing
apples and testicles

and if you are who i suspect you to be, know very well the distraction methods that work in chat rooms

but i will ask some direct questions of you to try to find out if i am incorrect

mabey you can tell me how you could detect 1 hot particle?
or the longer term effects of inhalation over consumption?
could you please tell me how much plutonium it would take to kill every man and woman on earth?
and if shared evenly between the worlds population how much weight per person would that equate to?

i really look forward to your answers
thank you in advance

xploder

Originally posted by XPLodER
you have the exact same posting habits and writing style of someone i am friends with
but you have pushed the ignorence button and i am interested to see how you debate,
because if im not mistaken we have talked before .................am i right?

Nope.

Originally posted by XPLodER
first of all i like the way you tried to make a hot plutonium particle seem "everyday" radon exposure
/sarcasm off

A plutonium particle? Is this a joke? If you mean an electron thrown off by a plutonium ATOM, then you are somewhat correct. Regardless, the fact that one particle won't kill you remains.

Originally posted by XPLodER
the either willfull or ignorant difference between a radon gas particle and a particlate of expended nuclear fuel is like compairing
apples and testicles

Radon and Plutonium both give off ionizing radiation. Have you done your research?

I feel the rest of your questions aren't looking for my actual answers and are just serving some ulterior motive, so let's just get to it, shall we?

reply to post by adeclerk


yes i have done the resurch

A plutonium particle? Is this a joke? If you mean an electron thrown off by a plutonium ATOM, then you are somewhat correct. Regardless, the fact that one particle won't kill you remains.

no i acually mean the particle itself continuosly giving of radiation for it life span or full life
i acually wounder if you know about ionizing radiation and the difference between a hot nuclear fuel particle and its radiation
compaired to radon gass?

is plutonium poisenoius?
outside of the radialogical out put, the element itself?

how can you compair a gas with a soild?
how can you detect a single hot particle?

ok now to the nuclear part
what is the half life of radon?
what is the half life of plutonium?

what is the average output of radon?
what is the average output of plutonium?

can you tell me how many times more radioactive a particle is over a gas?

xploder

reply to post by adeclerk


do you subscribe to nuclear power as very safe?
or inherently dangerous
or maby
just required

xploder

Originally posted by XPLodER
do you subscribe to nuclear power as very safe?
or inherently dangerous
or maby
just required

xploder

It is very safe, although there are inherent dangers. One of the issues is most nuclear power plants are 40+ years old.

Originally posted by getreadyalready

Originally posted by boncho
reply to post by Aeons

There is NO SAFE AMOUNT OF RADIATION.

 

Actually one of my Physics teachers had a University Study posted on his door. They gave lethal doses of radiation to rats and of course the rats died. So they spread it out over a few weeks and the rats got sick, mutated and died. So they spread it out over a full year, the rats metabolism changed, and they got larger and lived longer than their counterparts! All the same dose of radiation, just the amount of time it was administered changed! A lethal dose of radiation can make you healthier and live longer if it is administered properly, LOL!

They repeated the study with other types of poisons and got similar results. Stressing a healthy system and making it respond actually makes it healthier, unless you over do it.

Maybe this will help us all live longer?

Can I get some super powers with that too?

That'd be awesome. I have mine all picked out. I want to be able to walk on the Sun.