Prestigious doctor: US nuclear 'Baby valley of death,' Millions to die

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Or are you just under the impression that all those particles just never go anyhwere inconvenient for you?

Actually, they are monitoring the migration of contaminated fish:

The only Japanese fish with levels of radiation exceeding standards is the Japanese sand lance, which does not migrate away from the Japanese coast. Juvenile North Pacific albacore tuna (2‐5 years old) typically begin an annual transoceanic migration in the spring and early summer in waters off Japan, continue migrating throughout the late summer into inshore waters off the U.S. Pacific coast, and end their migration in the late fall and winter in the western Pacific ocean. Migratory patterns of North American Pacific salmon most commonly do not reach the coastal or offshore waters of Japan.   The majority of Alaska salmon spend most of their ocean residence in the Gulf of Alaska.

The migration of tuna and other species of fish from the coast of Japan to U.S. waters would take days or months under the best of circumstances, and vessels fishing beyond U.S. waters must also travel several days to return to port. During that time needed for a fish contaminated by radiation in Japan to migrate, be caught and reach the market, the level of short‐lived radionuclides such as I‐131 would drop significantly through natural radioactive decay. To date, no significantly elevated radiation levels have been detected in migratory species, including North Pacific albacore.  

FDA has not detected any longer‐lived radionuclides, such as Cs‐137, in any fish imported from Japan. The longer‐lived radionuclides found by Japanese tests have been at levels below the FDA threshold known as the Derived Intervention Level (DIL), and these have been detected in only the sand lance samples

.PDF on Seafood safety.

Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by Miraj
reply to post by randyvs

 

Maybe it was your back up explanation when the swine flu failed?
People can't accept that the swine flu wasn't that serious to begin with, and the only reason there was panic was because the media covered it.

Swine flu by itself killed quite a few people. It is still killing poeple. It is doing so by itself at a number equal to other flus combined. It is killing a different group of people than the other flus.

There is a pandemic that is likely to happen. The statistics on that don't change because you don't like that this one didn't kill enough people for you to not disdain it.

edit on 2011/6/20 by Aeons because: (no reason given)

Regular flu kills many more people per year than swine flu does during each outbreak, why aren't you scaremongering about that!?

Well, so long as your sushi doens't have any cesium-137 in it, everything is all good.

Originally posted by Aeons

If I change the limit, then tell you it doesn't meet the new limit, I'm not exactly lying now am I?

edit on 2011/6/20 by Aeons because: don't know why that's bold.

He linked to the EPA outlining actual exposure hazard, you are making daft claims of the FDA changing (and I quote) "ingestion" limits. Without source. Can you see a problem with that?

Originally posted by Aeons
Well, so long as your sushi doens't have any cesium-137 in it, everything is all good.

My sushi comes from tuna farms off of the Eastern coast of the United States, so I guess everything is all good.

ETA: Got any more straws to fearmonger with?

Originally posted by adeclerk

Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by Miraj
reply to post by randyvs

 

Maybe it was your back up explanation when the swine flu failed?
People can't accept that the swine flu wasn't that serious to begin with, and the only reason there was panic was because the media covered it.

Swine flu by itself killed quite a few people. It is still killing poeple. It is doing so by itself at a number equal to other flus combined. It is killing a different group of people than the other flus.

There is a pandemic that is likely to happen. The statistics on that don't change because you don't like that this one didn't kill enough people for you to not disdain it.

edit on 2011/6/20 by Aeons because: (no reason given)

Regular flu kills many more people per year than swine flu does during each outbreak, why aren't you scaremongering about that!?

Swine flu is one flu. ONE. One flu by itself that picked up bird flu genes on its own, and remained capable of being transmitted to humans. That's impressive. It also bears keeping an eye on.

Why do you differentiate between cancers? Just because one kills 10 people a year, and another kills a couple hundred thousand, differentiation is ridiculous and just pure scaremongering. Cancer is cancer.

Originally posted by Aeons
Swine flu is one flu. ONE. One flu by itself that picked up bird flu genes on its own, and remained capable of being transmitted to humans. That's impressive. It also bears keeping an eye on.

Why do you differentiate between cancers? Just because one kills 10 people a year, and another kills a couple hundred thousand, differentiation is ridiculous and just pure scaremongering. Cancer is cancer.

As opposed to the three different types of influenza? Get real.

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If I change the limit, then tell you it doesn't meet the new limit, I'm not exactly lying now am I?

When did they supposedly change the limit?

The EPA article I posted was from March 28th....

Link

Originally posted by adeclerk

Originally posted by Aeons
Swine flu is one flu. ONE. One flu by itself that picked up bird flu genes on its own, and remained capable of being transmitted to humans. That's impressive. It also bears keeping an eye on.

Why do you differentiate between cancers? Just because one kills 10 people a year, and another kills a couple hundred thousand, differentiation is ridiculous and just pure scaremongering. Cancer is cancer.

As opposed to the three different types of influenza? Get real.

Get real about what? Three different types of influenza, with mulitple variations each.

I suppose there is no difference then for you between H1N1 and H5N1? No worries then. Carry on.

Originally posted by Aeons
Get real about what? Three different types of influenza, with mulitple variations each.

I suppose there is no difference then for you between H1N1 and H5N1? No worries then. Carry on.

Swine flu is more likely to kill you in North America than radiation from Fukushima. And that's not saying much.

Still waiting on that FDA source.

Originally posted by adeclerk

Originally posted by Aeons

If I change the limit, then tell you it doesn't meet the new limit, I'm not exactly lying now am I?

edit on 2011/6/20 by Aeons because: don't know why that's bold.

He linked to the EPA outlining actual exposure hazard, you are making daft claims of the FDA changing (and I quote) "ingestion" limits. Without source. Can you see a problem with that?

I am pretty sure the only radiation the FDA has control over is the amount giving during medical procedures:

FDA - Radiation


POSTED AFTER: I was wrong on that assumption, see This Post



So I am dumbfounded as the the gaff by the other poster. Good catch by the way. I didn't even notice the "FDA" in the other post. (And here we looking for sources: shame on us)

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Radiation Dose Reduction, Nationwide Evaluation of X-Ray Trends (NEXT), Electromagnetic Compatibility (EMC)
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Originally posted by adeclerk

Originally posted by Aeons
Get real about what? Three different types of influenza, with mulitple variations each.

I suppose there is no difference then for you between H1N1 and H5N1? No worries then. Carry on.

Swine flu is more likely to kill you in North America than radiation from Fukushima. And that's not saying much.

Still waiting on that FDA source.

keep moving those goal posts around.

Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by adeclerk

Originally posted by Aeons
Get real about what? Three different types of influenza, with mulitple variations each.

I suppose there is no difference then for you between H1N1 and H5N1? No worries then. Carry on.

Swine flu is more likely to kill you in North America than radiation from Fukushima. And that's not saying much.

Still waiting on that FDA source.

keep moving those goal posts around.

My argument never changed, it has remained as constant as your lack of being able to source the FDA changing radiation guidelines.

Still waiting.

wouldn't hawaii be the canary in the coal mine ?

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Gosh. So....you're saying that there has been no increases, and if there were they wouldn't matter anyways. Also there are no differences between radiation particles, nor types of flu.

We could just scrap all those monitoring stations, and the WHO right now!

Or you could of course, go read the big thread. Gird yourself.

reply to post by boncho

I am pretty sure the only radiation the FDA has control over is the amount giving during medical procedures:

So it seems the FDA also has tabs on radiation in food and specifically, milk. Although from what I am reading all levels are below the public health limit.

FDA Food Radiation Safety Page

Updated - What is FDA doing to ensure the safety of products imported from Japan? FDA’s screening at U.S. borders will remain vigilant and will be augmented with radiation screening of shipments.....

New - What products come to the U.S. from Japan? FDA-regulated products imported from Japan include human and animal foods, medical devices and radiation emitting products, cosmetics, animal and human drugs and biologics, dietary supplements, and animal feeds....

Updated - What specific tests is FDA using? FDA has procedures and laboratory techniques for measuring radionuclide levels in food, and can also utilize the Food Emergency Response Network (FERN)...

There's a load of info there, if anyone wants to go through it all.

Originally posted by Aeons
Gosh. So....you're saying that there has been no increases, and if there were they wouldn't matter anyways. Also there are no differences between radiation particles, nor types of flu.

No there are obvious differences, where did I say there wasn't? Flu kills more people than swine flu, it's obviously different (gross oversimplification, I'm aware).

Originally posted by Aeons
We could just scrap all those monitoring stations, and the WHO right now!

Got any links to anomalous data? Maybe indicating danger for North America?

Originally posted by Aeons
Or you could of course, go read the big thread. Gird yourself.

The burden of proof is on you, stop using this weak tactic to try to bully me into conceding. If you are so versed on the content of that thread, how about you find the source of this bullocks you're spouting?

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Here is the FDA's Derived Intervention Level for contaminated foods (radiated).

Source

1This guidance has been prepared by the Office of Plant and Dairy Foods in the Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition (CFSAN) at the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

*Material between asterisks is new or revised.*

Issued: 06/01/1986
Revised 07/19/1989
Revoked/Renamed/Reissued: 07/29/2004

Revised: 5/2005

Updated: 11/29/05

As you can see, from what I can find, it has not been updated recently.

Originally posted by boncho
There's a load of info there, if anyone wants to go through it all.

...And none citing any change. Good job Boncho, mystery solved.

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Flu kill more people than swine flu? Brilliance. True brilliance there.