NBC apologizes for cutting "under God" from Pledge of Allegiance before U.S. Open

Originally posted by k21968 By the way my father is 100% blackfoot indian and he is christian

Yes, quite a few cultures have been assimilated.

Originally posted by k21968
reply to post by dadgad

 

Established religions spread false spirituality? Do you have proof there is no higher power? I would love to see your proof!! Enlighten me please. I am not a bible toting scripture reciting religious fanatic. I believe in God and following the values and morals laid out in the Bible. I had to go to church to learn them. I am a moral person and if that makes me wrong in your eyes, I will pray for you. I have been reciting the Pledge of Allegience since Kindergarten (37 yrs) and it always included under God. I went to school with aethists and they omitted that when they recited it. So maybe the answer is a 2 second pause so you can insert whoever you choose in that space. Now that I am sure would tick someone else off becuase their higher moral power would take more than 2 seconds and not fit in the allotted time. See where I am going with this????

By the way my father is 100% blackfoot indian and he is christian, so that blows your whole listen to the natives speel as well. He is the one who introduced me to God and church.

I guess when you die you can prove me wrong, until then, play nice. I stated my opinoin and labled it as such. You did not have to get your undies in a bunch because you disagree. I was simply exercising my right to free speech.

I am not saying there is no such thing as higher power. What I see is that established religions believe they own an authority on truth. Unfortunately their only sources are their holy books written by who knows who and with what intentions.
Morality does not need to come from a bible or any scripture at all. That is my take on it. Intelligence and love will show you what is right and wrong.

I mean just look at how everything went wrong with Moses and the 10 commandments. Poor guy. The people couldn't live by the those laws!

Control doesn't work so well. Intelligence does.

To pledge allegiance to a flag under the name of god is the ultimate atrocity. Such hypocrisy.

You pledge allegiance to a flag? To a nation? What is that nation made up of. Of people. Where did they come from? They came from many different places! Especially America owns everything it has to other cultures.
Why not pledge allegiance to humanity?

Your father may have turned to Christianity but the natives had no such religion. Their wisdom came from experience and life, not a book.
The Christians came and wanted to buy the land and the Natives asked ... using mere logic..... how??

Originally posted by k21968
reply to post by spiritualzombie

 

I personally do not care if they change to higher power or whatever. I *feel* that NBC attacked Christians by omitting it. It has been under God for the 43 yrs I have been on this earth. Why change it now??

My husband is aetheist and when reciting the pledge in school he omitted Under God without causing a scene.

If you are Christian and your husband is an Atheist, according to your beliefs, he is going to hell while you go to heaven (God willing). Does that bother you?

Originally posted by gentledissident

Originally posted by blackrain17
reply to post by dadgad

 

Here is a good explanation of Pledge of Alligiance...

en.wikipedia.org...

The original "Pledge of Allegiance" was published in the September 8 issue of the popular children's magazine The Youth's Companion...conceived and promoted by James B. Upham, a marketer for the magazine, as a campaign to instill the idea of American nationalism by selling flags to public schools and magazines to students

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I wonder if Francis Bellamy was aware of the commercial angle.

Bellamy designed it to be recited in 15 seconds. As a socialist, he had initially also considered using the words equality and fraternity[6] but decided against it - knowing that the state superintendents of education on his committee were against equality for women and African Americans.

So, Bellamy was concerned with brevity.

Bellamy "viewed his Pledge as an 'inoculation' that would protect immigrants and native-born but insufficiently patriotic Americans from the 'virus' of radicalism and subversion.

Are you insufficiently patriotic, radical, or subversive?

Adding the "under God" part was a strange trip.

en.wikipedia.org...

When you analyze the history of Pledge of Allegiance, it doesn't seem to make sense in the modern days. Maybe we should get rid of the whole thing completely...

Originally posted by k21968
reply to post by dadgad

 

Established religions spread false spirituality? Do you have proof there is no higher power? I would love to see your proof!! Enlighten me please. I am not a bible toting scripture reciting religious fanatic. I believe in God and following the values and morals laid out in the Bible. I had to go to church to learn them. I am a moral person and if that makes me wrong in your eyes, I will pray for you. I have been reciting the Pledge of Allegience since Kindergarten (37 yrs) and it always included under God. I went to school with aethists and they omitted that when they recited it. So maybe the answer is a 2 second pause so you can insert whoever you choose in that space. Now that I am sure would tick someone else off becuase their higher moral power would take more than 2 seconds and not fit in the allotted time. See where I am going with this????

By the way my father is 100% blackfoot indian and he is christian, so that blows your whole listen to the natives speel as well. He is the one who introduced me to God and church.

I guess when you die you can prove me wrong, until then, play nice. I stated my opinoin and labled it as such. You did not have to get your undies in a bunch because you disagree. I was simply exercising my right to free speech.

Anyone that believes in religion should be the last ones to ask for proof or evidence.

Just because your father is Native American doesn't make him immune to brainwashing. Just like how modern day Native Americans resort to alcohol rather than smoking the herbs. Times have changed and just because your father assimilated to the modern ways doesn't make it right. I also do believe that the Native Americans had it right for the most part and I have empathy for all the Native Americans for the way our country treated them in the past and even now...

reply to post by blackrain17


No 22 yrs of trying to convince him hasnt worked. I tell him all the time we will be in different places when we die and he says "finally some peace" . LOL

reply to post by k21968


Lol that's great! I'm agnostic, but I feel like I'm leaning (gradually) towards being an atheist. Although I don't feel it's an attack on Christianity (it's not like it's under Moses/Allah) they just took it out.

It's not like the CEO was deliberately like, "Man my cheating wife is a christian, so I'm taking 'under god' out of the Pledge!"

reply to post by blackrain17

If you are Christian and your husband is an Atheist, according to your beliefs, he is going to hell while you go to heaven (God willing). Does that bother you?

The hell thing always bothered me, I don't believe in it, and many Christians don't take the mistranslation seriously.

I never could grasp the concept of the highest power of the universe condemning souls to hell after we spend a lifetime on this damned planet.

reply to post by Manipulation

Lol that's great! I'm agnostic, but I feel like I'm leaning (gradually) towards being an atheist.

I went through a period in my life time that I was close to being an atheist, but circumstances kept changing my mind,

reply to post by k21968

No 22 yrs of trying to convince him hasnt worked. I tell him all the time we will be in different places when we die and he says "finally some peace" . LOL

That is so outrageously funny because of it's honesty. Many old married fogeys would say the same thing.

Thanks for the laugh!

Originally posted by Signals

Originally posted by JaxonRoberts

Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

The US Constitution

The words 'under God' do not even belong in the Pledge in the first place. The Pledge is about Patriotism, not about one's personal spiritual beliefs...

Kudos to NBC for having the testicular fortitude to edit them out in the first place, and shame on them for not standing up to the 'flock' and defending this decision!

Hey there Jax,

like it or not it is most certainly an attack on Christianity.

I could remind you that when TSHTF you will need some Christians on your side, I assure you!

We see an attack on Christianity every Christmas.
But that's OK. There are more us than those attacking us.
The attacks keep us from becoming complacent.

Originally posted by Signals

Hey there Jax,

like it or not it is most certainly an attack on Christianity.

I could remind you that when TSHTF you will need some Christians on your side, I assure you!

So you have now admitted that it refers to the Christian God and not just a generic term. Sorry, but it's gotta go!

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

We see an attack on Christianity every Christmas.
But that's OK. There are more us than those attacking us.
The attacks keep us from becoming complacent.

Christmas is an abomination that was completely and totally stolen from Pagan traditions surrounding the Festival of Yule, which is celebrated on the 21st of December (and some traditions celebrate for 12 days... hmm, wonder where I've heard that before...) In fact, nearly every Christian holiday has been ripped off from those who were FORCED to convert OR DIE in the middle ages... Now suddenly Christians want to play the victim... GIMME A DAMN BREAK!!! Christianity has been victimizing any and all non-christians for almost TWO MILLENIA!!!

Honestly I am just posting here so Jax doesn't get the last word in this thread.

Christians love you too Jaxon Roberts.

reply to post by dadgad


I agree with pledging to a nation, under God, is hypocrisy. Totally.

reply to post by blackrain17


Why add it in the first place?? It wasn't there originally. It is blasphemy in my opinion; as is "In God We Trust" on our money.

reply to post by k21968


We all go to the same place, the grave. Period. The living know they will die and the dead no nothing. Consciousness ceases.

reply to post by Annee


You don't mind that someone pays for a porn flick with money that says "In God We Trust"? Just sayin........
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reply to post by dadgad


Honestly, as a Christian, I would think you all would not want "under God" or "In God We Trust" spoken or printed. To me it is blasphemy. It is an insult to God.

reply to post by SeekerLou


"He" already knows what everyone's destiny is anyway.

reply to post by Torgo


Bravo.