the hole in the pentagon..is the big hole in the 911 story

Originally posted by matadoor

My niece was giving a presentation in a conference room that had a clear line of sight to the Pentagon. She physically and personally watched the plane impact the building.

Hmmm where was that exactly, because it was very difficult to see the impact point for two reasons.

One, the pentagon lies lower than the surrounding area. Two, dirt mounds were erected all around the pentagon prior to 911.

Again no one is going to just take your word on this.

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Originally posted by userid1
Huh? There's nearly a 180 degree view of the impact point - including several raised points of observation like an interstate 200 yards away as well as office buildings and hotels.
You're really not familiar with the area at all are you?

edit on 20-6-2011 by userid1 because: clarity

The only point on the interstate where you can see the impact point was the flyover where Loyds taxi was. Which imo was all staged in order to block the highway from other real witnesses.



I'm not saying you can't see the pentagon. People have a tendency to fill in the blanks with assumptions. You see a plane going towards a building, you see an explosion, it doesn't mean you saw the plane actually impact.

Do you ever wonder why the mounds were built right before 911, and then taken down right after? No excuses for that?

Originally posted by ANOK
I was a jet engine mechanic for six years in the Navy. I worked 'I' level maintenance on T-56 turbo-prop engines, NEC 6418, before that I was in an EA-6B squadron ('O' level maintenance). I have a two year degree in engineering fundamentals, that included psychics I and II.

How convenient you just "happened" to have those quals - see how the game is played? But I won't stoop to the tactics of Truthers to make my point. So do you feel that working on engines in any way qualifies you as an expert on the subject of their destruction? Or is your argument just based on counting parts? Are you quite sure those were ALL the parts found - or just all that happened to be photographed and posted on the internet? What inside information do you have exactly as to what was or wasn't found. Is that really the basis to make an argument on?

If you can't answer a question intelligently, then why are you dismissing everything as if you already know all the answers?

You mean like how you dismiss the witnesses, the emergency responders and FBI who found and handled the wreckage and bodies, the DNA (goes with passengers on the "non-existent" plane), the people who worked in the building or were on the plane who never came home again, etc?

Originally posted by ANOK
The only point on the interstate where you can see the impact point was the flyover where Loyds taxi was. Which imo was all staged in order to block the highway from other real witnesses.

Simply put - you are wrong. You are discussing Washington blvd (Taxi location) - Interstate 395 runs right past the Pentagon - approximately 200+ yards away. Google it up for yourself.

Originally posted by ANOK
Hmmm where was that exactly, because it was very difficult to see the impact point for two reasons.

One, the pentagon lies lower than the surrounding area, two dirt mounds were erected all around the pentagon prior to 911.

Again no one is going to just take your word on this.

stevenwarran.blogspot.com...

Yup and no one is taking yours either. I provided you a link showing aerial shots of the Pentagon (before and after I believe) disproving your "around the Pentagon" comment and you give us a *blog*?

It was a missle guys, come on now, its not rocket science lmao.

i would say it was probably a missile or some type of missile device since the hole was pretty small but also in the video right before the explosion you can see a nose of some type of flying object.

funny thing is that they say it was a 747 that crashed ? which would of made a bigger hole or even left some parts behind, but it never did. if it really was a plane they would of should that one final SECOND ON THE FILM to reveal the plane but they never DID

it def was a missile or a uav with bombs on it to explode on impact..............

Originally posted by userid1
Simply put - you are wrong. You are discussing Washington blvd (Taxi location) - Interstate 395 runs right past the Pentagon - approximately 200+ yards away. Google it up for yourself.

Can you see the impact point from the highway?

Originally posted by userid1
How convenient you just "happened" to have those quals - see how the game is played?

Convenient? You calling me a liar. What have I to gain by lying? Ask me any question about the Navy, when and where I served, what I did, medals I received, I'll be glad to answer.

So do you feel that working on engines in any way qualifies you as an expert on the subject of their destruction? Or is your argument just based on counting parts? Are you quite sure those were ALL the parts found - or just all that happened to be photographed and posted on the internet? What inside information do you have exactly as to what was or wasn't found. Is that really the basis to make an argument on?

I know enough about jet engines to question the claims being made. What quals do you have to be so sure the OS is correct, or do you just work on faith? Don't think for yourself, just put your trust in authority?

Like I said do you really think they would only photo three parts, or just release pics of three parts, when they want us to believe a plane crashed? IF there were engines they just decided 'oh it doesn't matter, three small insignificant parts will do?' You just have faith that there were more?

You mean like how you dismiss the witnesses, the emergency responders and FBI who found and handled the wreckage and bodies, the DNA (goes with passengers on the "non-existent" plane), the people who worked in the building or were on the plane who never came home again, etc?

No, I don't dismiss the witnesses, I just know they can be wrong, and they can be faked.

Do you believe the witnesses who contradict the official flight path? Or do you dismiss them like you accuse me of doing?

Originally posted by userid1

Yup and no one is taking yours either. I provided you a link showing aerial shots of the Pentagon (before and after I believe) disproving your "around the Pentagon" comment and you give us a *blog*?

Arial photos do NOT prove you can see the impact point from the road, or anywhere else at ground level, that is ridiculous.

Why don't you want to discuss the dirt mounds erected just before 911? Don't you wonder what they were for? I don't see any explanation coming from anyone?

As I look at the 'birth' dates of these new backers of the OS, I have to ask why, after ten years they feel the need to come here and straighten me out, regarding the truth. These people aren't real. How could they be? Hell, one of them actually said the hole was caused by the landing gear, because they're 'really heavy' ! The whole bunch of you have ZERO credibility, and the more you post the more ridiculous you become. You are all traitors, and one day we will fry you blanks.

reply to post by SkepticAndBeliever


video does show dead bodies in a plane crash. But there's nothing on there showing me it's from the flight that hit the pentagon. these photos could be of ANY plane crash victims!!

reply to post by dillweed

You are all traitors, and one day we will fry you bastards.

God Bless you too!

Really, someday you're going to "fry" the bastards that don't agree with you? And exactly how is that going to happen? Some truther revolution where all the sheeple finally wake up and start taking their marching orders from the likes of Alex Jones and Richard Gage? You're living in a dangerous fantasy world. Wake up.

here's the video i spoke of earlier.

www.youtube.com...

when lloyde didn't know he was being filmed, he said:

this is too big for me, i'm not supposed to be involved in this, this is for other people. people who have money. "it was planned"

reply to post by nh_ee

Yep, one jet engine rotor translates to only ONE engine. And it is too small for a 757 engine

Maybe you dont know (there's that research thing again ) that B757/767 contain a small turbine engine in the
tail

Its purpose is to be used on the ground to provide electrical power in order to conserve fuel - in flight its the
main jet engines which provide power. Running the main engines while waiting on the ground uses lot of
fuel

www.biggles-software.com...

reply to post by burntoast

would say it was probably a missile or some type of missile device since the hole was pretty small but also in the video right before the explosion you can see a nose of some type of flying object.

What hole would you be talking about? There were 3 holes

Hole #1 Entry hole in outer E Ring at 2nd floor level, approx 16 ft in diameter, which is the width of a B 757
fuselage

Hole #2 Entry hole inouter E ring at gound level, approx 90 ft, caused by wings of the B 757



Series of photos of entry hole

www.geoffmetcalf.com...

Hole #3 Exit hole inner C Ring, ground level interior roadway, about 12 ft in width, caused by heavy debris
including section of landing gear strut

Originally posted by userid1
reply to post by matadoor

 

Thank you.

To this day it still messes with her head. She called my sister (her mom) as soon as she could, and she rented a car, one way, to head home to New England. Once home, she barricaded herself in her "old" room (since she had moved out of course) and stayed in there on and off for over a week. Her company at the time gave her 2 weeks off to settle herself down.

To hear her tell the story is something that will send chills up your spine.

And she NEVER makes it through the first part without crying hysterically. So we avoid the subject as much as possible.

Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by burntoast

 

would say it was probably a missile or some type of missile device since the hole was pretty small but also in the video right before the explosion you can see a nose of some type of flying object.

What hole would you be talking about? There were 3 holes

Hole #1 Entry hole in outer E Ring at 2nd floor level, approx 16 ft in diameter, which is the width of a B 757
fuselage

Hole #2 Entry hole inouter E ring at gound level, approx 90 ft, caused by wings of the B 757



Series of photos of entry hole

www.geoffmetcalf.com...

Didnt the wings folded backwards on impact? Cant have it both ways...

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by userid1

Yup and no one is taking yours either. I provided you a link showing aerial shots of the Pentagon (before and after I believe) disproving your "around the Pentagon" comment and you give us a *blog*?

Arial photos do NOT prove you can see the impact point from the road, or anywhere else at ground level, that is ridiculous.

Why don't you want to discuss the dirt mounds erected just before 911? Don't you wonder what they were for? I don't see any explanation coming from anyone?

Boy I just love it when people act like they know so much more, when they really dont.

ANOK, have you ever been around the Pentagon? At all? I have. Driven and rode the bus right past it in the morning, afternoons, and evening. I had clear views of the impact area many times, from different areas, highways, and byways.

Here is a view from I-395 headed eastbound:


In fact, this would be the BEST place to see any magical flyovers. It shows the top half of the Pentagon, exactly right where the plane would have to fly over. Funny how not a soul right here, with a perfect view, mentioned a plane fly over the Pentagon.



Look, another view of a possible flyover. I dont know how one would miss a plane pulling a high-g pull up and over the Pentagon with a view like this. Or are you one of those believers that thinks once the plane went to a certain height low so no one can see the impact zone, clicked on the cloaking device and flew away.