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Old worm won't die after 2008 attack on U.S. military
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reply to post by JacKatMtn
In 08 the worm was controlled and eradicated. Log-in encryption was changed and the system was overhauled. The only way I can think of this happening again is.... Inside Job? Obviously I can't describe how this would occur but this being ATS, I am sure many can think of a way.
This is hard because I can speculate and discuss things I don't know about, but I must do so without disclosing what I do know. Gah! To be anonymous.
In 08 the worm was controlled and eradicated. Log-in encryption was changed and the system was overhauled. The only way I can think of this happening again is.... Inside Job? Obviously I can't describe how this would occur but this being ATS, I am sure many can think of a way.
This is hard because I can speculate and discuss things I don't know about, but I must do so without disclosing what I do know. Gah! To be anonymous.
reply to post by JacKatMtn
Well the 08 hack was previously leaked in The Army Times. I'll look for the article. So they didn't divulge any new info as far as I can tell. At least about the 08 event.
The 07 event.
www.theregister.co.uk...
An 09 article about an 04 attack
www.pcworld.com...
Can't find the 08 event... odd.
Well the 08 hack was previously leaked in The Army Times. I'll look for the article. So they didn't divulge any new info as far as I can tell. At least about the 08 event.
The 07 event.
www.theregister.co.uk...
An 09 article about an 04 attack
www.pcworld.com...
Can't find the 08 event... odd.
edit on 17-6-2011 by LexiconRiot because: (no reason given)
reply to post by LexiconRiot
Hey, keep MUM what yo need to keep mum.. and I thank you for serving.. no way am I asking for you to speak of what you cannot..
I just have a hard time believing that this information would be released publicly unless it was old news, and would help to nudge the clamp down on the web that most of us here are vehemently against...
Hey, keep MUM what yo need to keep mum.. and I thank you for serving.. no way am I asking for you to speak of what you cannot..
I just have a hard time believing that this information would be released publicly unless it was old news, and would help to nudge the clamp down on the web that most of us here are vehemently against...
dupe look up^^^
edit on Fri, 17 Jun 2011 01:30:39 -0500 by JacKatMtn because: (no reason given)
reply to post by JacKatMtn
Thanks for the well wishes and I am being vague. I wish I could be more proud of my service myself but I free that my perceived service to the people of America was really in the benefit of only the very people oppressing them. So I will help expose what I can but I have a child and can not risk going to Leavenworth. I only hope my tidbits help others uncover the truth.
Thanks for the well wishes and I am being vague. I wish I could be more proud of my service myself but I free that my perceived service to the people of America was really in the benefit of only the very people oppressing them. So I will help expose what I can but I have a child and can not risk going to Leavenworth. I only hope my tidbits help others uncover the truth.
Our beloved government is rife with moles who have the interests of other nations besides our own at heart. China and Israel particularly have a
vested interest in penetrating our intelligence and defense services. This is not to discount your suppositions as I find the fact they even made this
public to be telling of it's actual intent.
The timing with the recent hubbub about Anonymous is a little too close to easily discount and are, in all likelihood, related. What their intent is behind this seems to be the question of the day. It looks to me like they are setting up a scenario for themselves where they can assert blame on some target group that they're looking to neutralize. First it was Wikileaks that was the big, bad cyberthreat, now it's either ANON or maybe their going to start crediting Al Qaeda with dangerous programming or hacking skills.
This is but the opening salvo in a new media terror blitz to herd everyone in to accepting new controls on the internet (for our safety, of course!)
The timing with the recent hubbub about Anonymous is a little too close to easily discount and are, in all likelihood, related. What their intent is behind this seems to be the question of the day. It looks to me like they are setting up a scenario for themselves where they can assert blame on some target group that they're looking to neutralize. First it was Wikileaks that was the big, bad cyberthreat, now it's either ANON or maybe their going to start crediting Al Qaeda with dangerous programming or hacking skills.
This is but the opening salvo in a new media terror blitz to herd everyone in to accepting new controls on the internet (for our safety, of course!)
edit on 17-6-2011 by Asktheanimals because: for spelling errors
I'm the United States Goverment, and I'm a PC.
(Damn it, I knew I should have gone with a Mac.)
(Damn it, I knew I should have gone with a Mac.)
Someone brought up the fact that after the malware has been eradicated it cannot "update" itself. And if it has been eradicated, how did it change
it's signature if it was not even present on the affected systems? Did it somehow "know" it was about to be deleted and updated/cloned itself?
I'm calling shenanigans on this one, it had to be an inside job.
Oh here is a linky on the technical breakdown of the worm - blog.threatexpert.com...
I have been writing code for 25+ years and dealing with spyware/malware/virii for the past 14 years - pretty sure I know a little about this subject.
I'm calling shenanigans on this one, it had to be an inside job.
Oh here is a linky on the technical breakdown of the worm - blog.threatexpert.com...
I have been writing code for 25+ years and dealing with spyware/malware/virii for the past 14 years - pretty sure I know a little about this subject.
I found something that may be related.
Source - ca.news.yahoo.com...
Are they priming us for a confrontation with China soon? Sure is starting to look like it.
More - www.washingtonpost.com...[edit by]edit on 17-6-2011 by Asktheanimals because: added link
Earlier this month, U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Washington was seriously concerned about cyber-attacks and prepared to use force against any it considered acts of war.
Source - ca.news.yahoo.com...
Are they priming us for a confrontation with China soon? Sure is starting to look like it.
More - www.washingtonpost.com...[edit by]edit on 17-6-2011 by Asktheanimals because: added link
reply to post by Asktheanimals
Oh, to be sure They are priming Us for something. Be it Interweb takeover or war with China (or both and then some), They have a plan with this as one peg.
Wait and see.
Oh, to be sure They are priming Us for something. Be it Interweb takeover or war with China (or both and then some), They have a plan with this as one peg.
Wait and see.
Originally posted by JacKatMtn
reply to post by Fractured.Facade
Ok.. so you aren't in the know...
Truth.
What possible benefit.. talking military now.. could be attained?
Nothing, absolutely.
Wouldn't that be considered a risk..?
Already compromised networks, in the government, and military, what more risk is there?
If you were in command, and a risk such as this, 3 years and counting, were a concern... would you say
HEY!! let's make it public,.. perhaps someone out there could help us?
The bug was able to download new code, change its signature and evade detection, it was and is a widespread infection that compromised massive government and military networks, something that widespread cannot be kept secret for very long, it would have made the news one way or the other, so issuing a press release makes sense, when you want to control as much of that information as possible.
Really, I have a hard time swallowing that my (US) country would allow this to become public...
Why? ... This could potentially be an act of war, and have serious consequences, being as public as possible about it now, is better than later.... Again, this was going to come out one way or the other, and the other would have led to media speculation, conjecture and rumors.
I do, however, can see them releasing this info NOW.. to add to this furor of hacked websites, in order to fuel the folks to fall in line that the web needs a noose employed..
This isn't the way to change the internet, this wasn't done by hackers, it was intelligence agencies, which may have gained access to a secure military laptop in the ME, and uploaded it into the network from a thumb-drive/flash-drive.
Of course, that's just my angle on this.. I appreciate your take as well
There is serious stuff going on here, and while the conspiracies are possible, this time, I believe its the real deal... Something like this could lead to very real hostilities between nations and military powers.
edit on 17-6-2011 by Fractured.Facade because: (no reason given)
Yes, I am afraid that in the end, they will use a situation like this one and the current Lulzsec/Anon operations as one of their excuses to bring
about a totalitarian control of the Internet, anytime now.
But IMHO, I can at least understand the reason to why foreign interests, would have the interest, to interfere and bring havoc to the US military & government systems, and the cause of this is perhaps a very simple reason:
Full-spectrum dominance.
When the PNAC documents was released, and certain foreign policy plans were known to certain countries (see: Russia & China) They were probably very worried about the US intention and the Bush administration's plans for World domination - the whole globe under the control of the US military - A US New World Order.
"You're either with us, or against us"
And suddenly we also had all these new radar/missile installations, which were about to be installed in European countries - in former Soviet states, and in countries in the minor Asia surrounding Russia, which perhaps also could affect China.
Well, as you know there is also much more about the 'Full-spectrum dominance' plans, now out there in the public domains - even here on ATS there has been some brilliant threads by our member: IgnoranceIsntBlisss with links - which is important to read, to get a grasp and to understand parts of this US 'Full-spectrum dominance' plan:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
This is a short video with official texts explaining one small part of these plans of the bigger picture.
DARPA’s iXo Artificial Intelligence Control Grid: ‘The Official Version'
(see more links in the thread)
Naturally, some countries & powerful economic interests and certain people on the world stage, were probably very worried about the megalomania, and the US/Neocon's megalomaniac plans for the world, which they perhaps thought was very dangerous delusions of grandeur?
One of my personal theories is that all we're seeing right now, is the counter-offensive of the Information Guerrilla warfare going on, in full swing against these US plans of world domination and global control.
And that would include small parts of Anon, Chinese hackers, Wikileaks and a plethora of other groups working against these plans - all of them in their own way, but with one common & specific goal, which they all have in common - to stop what they think is: delusion of grandeur.
I actually think what we're seeing right now is the WW3 in the form of Information Warfare - and that could mean that parts of the whole world, and certain groups from: Intelligence services+hackers+individuals has united under one banner and with one goal, to stop these plans.
And this could actually be the initial phase of The Information Guerrilla Warfare?
Well, that's my two €uro-cents of "one" theory worth!
S&F
But IMHO, I can at least understand the reason to why foreign interests, would have the interest, to interfere and bring havoc to the US military & government systems, and the cause of this is perhaps a very simple reason:
Full-spectrum dominance.
When the PNAC documents was released, and certain foreign policy plans were known to certain countries (see: Russia & China) They were probably very worried about the US intention and the Bush administration's plans for World domination - the whole globe under the control of the US military - A US New World Order.
"You're either with us, or against us"
And suddenly we also had all these new radar/missile installations, which were about to be installed in European countries - in former Soviet states, and in countries in the minor Asia surrounding Russia, which perhaps also could affect China.
Well, as you know there is also much more about the 'Full-spectrum dominance' plans, now out there in the public domains - even here on ATS there has been some brilliant threads by our member: IgnoranceIsntBlisss with links - which is important to read, to get a grasp and to understand parts of this US 'Full-spectrum dominance' plan:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
This is a short video with official texts explaining one small part of these plans of the bigger picture.
DARPA’s iXo Artificial Intelligence Control Grid: ‘The Official Version'
Google Video Link |
(see more links in the thread)
Naturally, some countries & powerful economic interests and certain people on the world stage, were probably very worried about the megalomania, and the US/Neocon's megalomaniac plans for the world, which they perhaps thought was very dangerous delusions of grandeur?
One of my personal theories is that all we're seeing right now, is the counter-offensive of the Information Guerrilla warfare going on, in full swing against these US plans of world domination and global control.
And that would include small parts of Anon, Chinese hackers, Wikileaks and a plethora of other groups working against these plans - all of them in their own way, but with one common & specific goal, which they all have in common - to stop what they think is: delusion of grandeur.
I actually think what we're seeing right now is the WW3 in the form of Information Warfare - and that could mean that parts of the whole world, and certain groups from: Intelligence services+hackers+individuals has united under one banner and with one goal, to stop these plans.
And this could actually be the initial phase of The Information Guerrilla Warfare?
Well, that's my two €uro-cents of "one" theory worth!
S&F
edit on 17-6-2011 by Chevalerous because: (no reason given)
The US government hacks as well and infiltrate other countries' networks too, but when these other entities do it in return it is "an act of war".
Well like that tired cliche goes, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
The Stuxnet worm is a prime example. The US will never fess up to it, but I'm pretty sure that they had something do with it. If they presented that option to the POTUS about being able to postpone, or possibly put a halt to Iran's nuclear apparatus only risking the agent's, who planted the infected flash drive, life. You bet he'd approve it. Talk about "an act of war!"
And oh I wouldn't doubt that they couldn't get rid of this worm, and some loose lipped person leaked it to the press. This worm was more than likely planted in a flash drive and opened up the network to whomever placed it which will allow them to change it at will to keep the cyber team guessing. Sort of like the flu, once they think they have a solution it mutates and then they have to start all over again. Wash rinse repeat...
The Stuxnet worm is a prime example. The US will never fess up to it, but I'm pretty sure that they had something do with it. If they presented that option to the POTUS about being able to postpone, or possibly put a halt to Iran's nuclear apparatus only risking the agent's, who planted the infected flash drive, life. You bet he'd approve it. Talk about "an act of war!"
And oh I wouldn't doubt that they couldn't get rid of this worm, and some loose lipped person leaked it to the press. This worm was more than likely planted in a flash drive and opened up the network to whomever placed it which will allow them to change it at will to keep the cyber team guessing. Sort of like the flu, once they think they have a solution it mutates and then they have to start all over again. Wash rinse repeat...
edit on 17-6-2011 by majesticgent because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by majesticgent
The Stuxnet worm is a prime example. The US will never fess up to it, but I'm pretty sure that they had something do with it.
You're not the only one. Probably jointly between the US and IDF. We after all don't want Iran with working centrifuges, and neither does Israel. Occam's razor right?
en.wikipedia.org...
Next they wi have to flip the switch and turn on *drumroll* SKYNET v0.03 beta
reply to post by sicksonezer0
Does art imitate life or does life imitate art? Lets just say this is a very slippery slope from here. Personally I will not sit back and watch this go the wrong way. I am attempting to inform my community about this issue. As we all should do.
Does art imitate life or does life imitate art? Lets just say this is a very slippery slope from here. Personally I will not sit back and watch this go the wrong way. I am attempting to inform my community about this issue. As we all should do.
reply to post by Wildmanimal
Oh yes, I was being sarcastic.
I see this as yet another 'problem - reaction - solution'. If not orchestrated by the Fed, I am damn sure that they will take advantage of this by writing up & attempting to pass legislation to chip away our rights on the web.
Oh yes, I was being sarcastic.
I see this as yet another 'problem - reaction - solution'. If not orchestrated by the Fed, I am damn sure that they will take advantage of this by writing up & attempting to pass legislation to chip away our rights on the web.
you know whoever made that worm is thinking hes the king right now. wonder what his motives were
reply to post by zuluAttack
If you're looking for this worm you're prolly a kiddie Pre-made tools, bot-nets and pointless dDOS are for noobs, much the same as IS exploits and defacing were back in the day. You kids will learn one day.
If you're looking for this worm you're prolly a kiddie Pre-made tools, bot-nets and pointless dDOS are for noobs, much the same as IS exploits and defacing were back in the day. You kids will learn one day.
Is it possible that the government and military secure networks could have been so compromised by this that our President and top military brass were
forced to exchange paper notes rather than use their secure electronic communications networks?
Could have been.
Could have been.