Old worm won't die after 2008 attack on U.S. military

reply to post by Kevinquisitor


I do not know if you are being sarchastic, but I agree completely with your reply. I will stand up to
verification any day if scrutiny requires. But the freedom of speaking anonomously to the world at large
should still be allowed in certain forums. Simply, Those forums would be termed "Unverifable Source"
content. Yet, that would still have some freedom and legitimacy if necessary to provide further evidence
and focus to validating an event. For example, like the "Deep Throat" source for The Washington Post
during the Watergate Investigation.

We all have to take some personal responcibilty for our freedom here otherwise if we do not voluntarily
do so, these freedoms will be taken away. In one form or another.

reply to post by JacKatMtn


The game is the same as always... Espionage!

To collect data and secrets, classified information, plans, documents, reports and more stuff.

This "bug" has the ability to reach out and grab new code, change its signature and evade detection, while accessing secret information and data, and transferring it all to foreign servers.... Pretty sophisticated eh?

They thought they had eliminated it, and it simply morphed, remained dormant and came back for more.

I will bet you, they do not know how much recent data has been stolen and for how long the networks were compromised... this time.

If this is going on here, and China and Russia are implicated in this.... Can you imagine what the US has roaming around in their (China/Russia) secret and "secure" networks???

The game is the same now as it was before the digital age.... Just using very sophisticated spyware/malware rather than agents and operatives.

reply to post by Fractured.Facade


You are right on target there my friend. Let us not fool ourselves, it is a new form of all out war.
We just do not see the body bags on T.V. because it is a delayed reaction. An unpublicized slow death.

Insidious in nature, and shadowy in presence. Yet clear as day before our distracted eyes, unnoticed.

reply to post by JacKatMtn


What do you mean by that?

You started an excellent thread. Step up to the plate and swing at every reply ball.

It is your game after all.

In fact, your not only the owner of the stadium, but in this instance, The Umpire as well.

Great Thread and you know its true.

reply to post by Fractured.Facade


You haven't said anything that isn't common knowledge..

cyberwarfare is REAL.....

I think we can agree on that, the conspiracy angle on this latest release by the military is what raises eyebrows..

At least mine..

Here, we have the military saying that they were breached in '08 and STILL haven't closed that breach in 2011?

Give me a break....

reply to post by JacKatMtn


Well Gee, you know how the .Mil works, the release of this info is only the tip of the iceberg.
At least they have given you that tidbit to chew on.

They want more funding and young bright minds to boot!

Originally posted by JacKatMtn
Here, we have the military saying that they were breached in '08 and STILL haven't closed that breach in 2011?

I believe that they were certain that they had closed that breach, and were unaware that the bug had downloaded new code, changed its signature and went undetected for an unknown period of time.... That gap between 08 and 2011 is where all of the problems begin and end, and begin again.

Give me a break....

Happy to, Goodnight... Interesting thread by the way.

reply to post by Wildmanimal


Timing.... it's all about the timing.

What possible reason would the military release this information.. now..

considering, the military is so tightlipped (and justifiably so)..

to release THIS?

maybe it's my 12 + years military service that makes me shake my head on this news... :shk:

reply to post by Fractured.Facade


Come on FF.. you seem like you are in the know.. in regards to this..

What do you think the military would gain, at this point, at this time by allowing this news to surface..?

reply to post by g146541


Glad to hear that! We Need you, Uncle Sam Wants You!

So do us both a favor, and get right on to business for your fellow man and Countrymen AND Women.

Best Regards,

reply to post by JacKatMtn


Okay, I'm not in the know... in no way shape or form... Any more than you are.

What do they have to gain?

I have no idea.... Honestly. I can't see anything to gain from these revelations.

The only thing I can add is that maybe this was one of those problems that was so big and widespread when found again (it also affected non-defense .gov networks and non-classified networks) that keeping a lid on it would be impossible, so you go to the media with it... It ends up there one way or the other.

Now, really.... Yawn, goodnight.

reply to post by Revolution9


Well that is the incongruity right there my good fellow ATS inquisitor.

The GOV PAYS SQUAT. The private sector pays appropriately.

Government Service should be service to ALL of The People of The United States of America.

Not for personal gain. There is plenty of time for that AFTER you leave public service.

Yet, those $400.00 haircuts do continue to disagree with me on this matter.

reply to post by JacKatMtn


Well speaking as someone who had to deal with part of this issue back in 08 on Fort Lewis I will say this doesn't make any sense. Due to a nondisclosure and the lack of anonymity on here I refuse to go into detail. I will say the issue was taken care of then. As someone who knows some coding (admittedly not an expert) I don't know of any software that can morph after it has been deleted... So I am going with well timed boogie-man. The response to growing civil dissent with Anon.

For those who know I was the head of a BN level S-6 shop and my MOS was 25U. Those are my credentials on the subject.

reply to post by JacKatMtn


Timing ...yes of course. Just like a Swiss Watch. I hear you loud and clear 5x5.

Just trying to keep it interesting. But to answer, They are under scrutiny, and are trying to cut it off at the pass.

S A V V Y ? Thanks for your reply.

reply to post by Fractured.Facade


Ok.. so you aren't in the know...

What possible benefit.. talking military now.. could be attained?

Wouldn't that be considered a risk..?

If you were in command, and a risk such as this, 3 years and counting, were a concern... would you say

HEY!! let's make it public,.. perhaps someone out there could help us?

Really, I have a hard time swallowing that my (US) country would allow this to become public...

I do, however, can see them releasing this info NOW.. to add to this furor of hacked websites, in order to fuel the folks to fall in line that the web needs a noose employed..

Of course, that's just my angle on this.. I appreciate your take as well

Here goes our internet privacy unless we take a stand and say NO, we need some smart people to show us the way, i for one, if i knew how? will resist, fight back and make things as difficult as possible.

reply to post by LexiconRiot


Well, as a military vet..

not looking for details here, just an honest opinion..

Does this news pass the smell test?

reply to post by JacKatMtn


No its a very large violation of op-sec hence why I can't go into details myself.
I think this ties directly into the senate.gov and CIA.gov hacks. Controlled OP. Makes for a really good training op and training ops often have a way of turning into reality and oppression. Think 9/11.

reply to post by Wildmanimal


If they haven't secured the pass from 08.. (which I seriously doubt)...

I wonder ...

Why they are creating the illusion of the same pass being an issue now..?

Help me to understand why...

reply to post by LexiconRiot


That's exactly what I would think they were headed with this..

I just wonder why the military would chime in with the revelation that they were compromised in 2008... and still haven't solved it..

doesn't pass mustard for me... and it's only my opinion...