Libyan rebels reject election offer

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


Ok now you just sound crazy. The protestors are holding up the flag of the state, one which is new instead of the flag of the monarch which oposition protestors have been holding. They are also holding images of Gadaffi instead of stomping on images of Gadaffi as the oposition has. They are chanting pro-Gadaffi chants instead of anti-Gadafii chants as the opposition has been doing, yet you assert they are actually anti-Gadaffi protestors. Ussually when you congregate in a large group to protest something you do not protest for it but against it. So your assertion is just utter stupidity.

reply to post by SpeachM1litant


No I didn't "state they are anti-Qadaffi" - I asked how he knew - not speaking Arabic I didn't know what they were saying.

If he'd said what you have jsut said & othrs can confirm it then that's a good identificatoin for me.

But instead he went off on his personal attacks.

My next question is where is it that they have shown half of this and said it is a pro-Qadaffi demonstration?

These questions are not trick - thy are how I establish whether some anonymous partisan from 1 side is telling something resembling the truth or not.

But apparently our pet Qadaffi lover here doesn't like people figuring it out for themselves - he wants everyone to simply believe him!!

Well there's far to much rubbish here on ATS for me to believe anyone's unsubstantiated word - sorry about that.....

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


Ok fair enough, although I would think the fact that they were dressed up in green would be enough to prove they are pro-Gadaffi demonstrators.

The pro-Gadaffi demonstrations took place largely in Tripoli as reported by Libyan state television and Al Jazeera(Al Jazeera scources Libyan state television in their presentation). However Libyan state television and Al Jazeera also reported that there was pro-Gadaffi demonstrations in early February(prior to the civil war) in Eastern Libya- specifically Benghazi

Pro Gadaffi demonstration in Tripoli:
www.libyafeb17.com...

To think that the majority of Libyans are behind the rebels is incorrect and problematic. While no one can be sure of the demographics, it is safe to say that much of Western Libya, especially in Tripoli and area's which are affiliated with Gadaffi's tribe(Western Libya) are under his influence. This may also explain how Gadaffi has maintained legitamacy in Tripoli and much of the West throughout this conflict, even though he is no longer the Legitamate leader of Libya in it's entire form. Western Libya and Tripoli also have the most dense population.

The Rebels are largely from Eastern Libya. Gadaffi has directed most of the oil profits(most of which comes from Eastern Libya) to tripoli, the West and tribes affiliated with him in the West. This is a major factor in the culmination of civil unrest. While the majority of opposition to the Gadaffi regime comes from the West, there was also opposition demonstration reported in Tripoli, however these were not independently verified and the demonstrations seemed to be rather small and minimal.

Libya is not unified behind Gadaffi and it is not unified behind the Rebels. Libya is politically devided. The division in Libya can be represented by maps of Tribal divisions with the West largely behind Gadaffi and the East and South(South-East) behind the Rebels- although the South is more aligned with Islamism and is certianly not entirely represented by the TNC and the Rebels.

Libya is politically diverse and complicated. The media has failed to present this in its reporting.

reply to post by SpeachM1litant


All the pro Qaddafi demonstrations were met by mass murder in the east, then the media switched the story line, claiming anti-Regime protesters were killed by regime forces.

Before the situation spiral out of control, the "rebel CIA pawn terrorists" were the ones who started killing, started attacking police stations, and attacking protesters. Black Libyans faced the most terror as they were called Mercenaries, an intentional propaganda lie created by the pawns and its Western masters.

1. There were no peaceful protests!

2. CNN, covering the Danish Cartoons anniversary demonstration that was cooped with an announcement from London to make it into a "day of rage against Libyan leader Gaddafi,' showed us camera panning of a modest size crowd (mostly men) jumping up and down shouting against Gaddafi (not against Libya's high standard of living).

3. There were armed attacks on police stations (even traffic police) and vicious attacks on Chinese and Korea construction workers already two days before, and during the anniversary of the Danish Cartoons or "day of rage,' executions of 50 captured Libyan soldiers, one beheaded, some hung along with police officers. And who knows how many ordinary Libyan civilians harmed by tough guys brought in to Benghazi and other Cyrenaican towns. This was reported by Reuters and BBC, but not CNN.

4. CNN showed a video of a small amount of people scattering, running at twilight, cell phone camera jerking around in confusion with the sound of shooting from completely unidentified sources. There was Anderson Cooper and Nic Robertson crying out that "Gaddafi', was "targeting, shooting, bombing his own people who only want democracy. At the same time a flood of anti Gaddafi reports were coming in from well funded Libyan exile backers in various countries.

5. Imagine! On Feb. 21 a bare four days after the overseas calls for "day of rage' U.S. media's UK counterpart, the Telegraph reported that " the International Federation for Human Rights said Libya's second city along with Sirte, Tobruk, Misrata, Khoms, Tarhounah, Zenten, Al-Zawiya and Zouara had all been taken by protesters. "Protesters?" We were given to see these tough hombre heavily armed "freedom fighters' in their fleets of pickup trucks looking nothing at all like protesters.

6. While, very quickly, heavily armed insurgent gangs, always described as "ordinary citizens who had dropped their office jobs a few days before to fight for freedom,' were efficiently overrunning towns and airports, Cooper and Robertson kept excitedly exclaiming cities were being bombed from the air - civilians targeted - showing viewers the same single bomb crater in a field outside of a town for five days running as proof, though oddly admitting no one had been injured.

7. CNN and NY Times have never reported that Libya, as opposed to desperately poor Egypt and Yemen enjoys a higher standard of living than nine European nations including Russia. Rather, they continue emphasizing Western media condemnation of Gaddafi over his entire four decades of leadership of Libya and the movement for African Union.

8. In less than 2 weeks came Obama's executive orders freezing Libyan accounts or confiscating Libyan accounts of billions of dollars for eventual use by insurgents. Even earlier began the threats from international institutions beholden to U.S. and NATO, and open speculation by the same coalition of former colonial powers that had once conquered and ruled the entire non-white world for centuries, of military action against "Gaddafi' (that would add a sixth Muslim nation to its bombing list of Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Yemen and Pakistan.

9. Then came the successful pressuring of China and Russia not to veto a U.S. NATO attack on Libya in favor of the insurgent army (almost openly led and funded by CIA, M16, Mossad and the French Secret Service) under the pretext of protecting the Libyan population from its own government (never referred to a an independent nation, but as "Gaddafi" or "the Gaddafi regime). A UN "Security Council' resolution was passed, but never meant to protect Libyans from a brutal foreign funded insurgent army calling for warplanes of the former European occupiers of North Africa to bomb their own countrymen and nation. During all the months following, CNN would have us believe the attacking insurgents never killed anyone, while hammering in the Gaddafi monster theme.

10. All this deception was prepared over decades of rabid media attacks on Gaddafi, the anti-imperialist, the "mad dog' of Reagan and Secretary Clinton, and then with claims that Libya was having just another revolution like those against the many U.S. supported dictators of Arab nations. War on Libyan was accepted by the American public in the same way the public had accepted covert violence and war to protect Guatemalans, Congolese, Dominicans, Cubans, Panamanians, Nicaraguans, Chileans and Hondurans from their presidents, wars to protect Koreans from other Koreans, Vietnamese from Vietnamese, Laotians from Laotians, Cambodians from Cambodians, Lebanese from Lebanese, Afghans from Afghans, Iraqis from Iraqis, Somalis from Somalis, Yemeni from Yemeni, Grenadians from Grenadians, Salvadorians from Salvadorians, Yugoslavs from Yugoslavs, Iranians from Iranians, Haitians from Haitians, and Pakistanis from Pakistanis. By this time everyone should have known of the U.S. protection racket, but count on innovation by CIA, CNN and the NY Times to make a seemingly ironclad case in favor of each new U.S. EU Canadian Australian war coalition.

Obama, whose words, accepted as the almighty himself speaking when it comes to protecting the U.S. from the outside world, keeps announcing Gaddafi must go unconditionally. Obama's reason for bombing a sixth Muslim nation? Not to protect Americans from terrorism, but to prevent Gaddafi from massacring his own people. So suspiciously caring of a Nobel Peace Prize President nonchalantly ordering the taking of thousands of lives in a half dozen other Muslim nations in order to protect invading American soldiers and Americans at home.

This latest war would seem far fetched, but for CNN boldly leading enough of the rest of corporate owned Western media in public deception with repeating war-justifying sound-bites colored by almost obvious psyops of "now you see it, now you don't' film shots.

No one, in reaction, is allowed to flinch, as the augustly at home with himself self-righteous President feels somehow necessary to top off his charge of Gaddafi the mad massacrer of his own people, by dramatically throwing in mention of a woman claiming to Western reporters in Tripoli that she was raped by Libyan soldiers. (The black worker who told Reuters of his wife being raped before him by rebels is a non-happening for Cooper and Robertson who with great show of compassion promoted the Tripoli woman's fascinating charge for a whole week of prime time sex entertainment while those British and French paragons of virtue were bombing to clear the way for an insurgent army advance.

When it came the turn of the U.S. NATO controlled International Criminal Court to condemn Gaddafi for crimes against humanity (something no ex-colonial power has ever been indicted for), "Prosecutor Moreno-Ocampo said there was evidence that the Libyan authorities bought "Viagra-type' medicines and gave them to troops as part of the official rape policy. "They were buying containers to enhance the possibility to rape women', he said. 'We had doubts at the beginning but now we are more convinced that he decided to punish using rapes', the prosecutor said. He told reporters at the UN in New York that he had collected evidence suggesting the Libyan leader had decided to punish women by using rape as a weapon in the hope that it would instill fear and curb dissent. In March, a Libyan woman, Eman al-Obeidi, made headlines around the world after she burst into a Tripoli hotel and said she had been raped by Gaddafi's troops.

Imagine! Obama and the ICC, to justify taking Libyan lives to protect other Libyans from a mass murderer, see the necessity to include freaky unsubstantiated sex accusations. Do they take us all for absolute fools? - while they play civil war on a whole nation out of the goodness of their hearts? Is it that rich and powerful white folks plan to rule the the rest of the world for another couple of centuries? This ICC has only opened six investigations, all six on African nations. The Libyan government dismissed the complaint of the ICC, "a baby of the EU designed for prosecuting African leaders."

11. U.S. Treasury estimated there are 44 tones of gold in the 100% state owned bank of Libya currently minting gold dinars to replace trading in dollars and euros. This must have been the reason to hurry an invasion of Libya (apart from its largest oil reserves in Africa that were then exporting mostly to China). We might ask ourselves: What happens when a "rogue" country threatens to bring the banking system that benefits the corporatocracy to its knees? (See article by Reagan economist Paul Craig Roberts quoted further on).

13. Documented here below are reports of insurgent acts of horror - mostly by non-U.S media. The reader is encouraged to check for himself or herself what exactly was reported by all the world's major print news outlets from Feb. 15th onward in terms of number of casualties for both sides, and to view whatever videos are offered as proof that Libyan police, security, soldiers targeted civilians peacefully protesting. The internet, Google and YouTube have of course a great deal of material emphasizing mainstream anti-Gaddafi accusations and praise for the rebel attacks on the government, but much can be learned from one's failing to find verified that which CNN, the other five U.S. networks, and U.S. print media have put out, especially to justify big power military intervention against the government of Libya, always referred to as "Gaddafi" or "the Gaddafi regime"

On TV, we didn't see planes and tanks "unleashed" until truck loads of heavily armed rebels were well on the road toward Tripoli. One does remember two planes defecting to Malta, two others falling out of the sky, one shot down over the ocean. But no pictures of planes bombing protesters; no proof that orders were given to do so. Gaddafi, has throughout been calling for an international investigation of happenings everywhere in Libya, by the UN or any other Western power to ascertain exactly who has been shooting who while Western media accuses only him and his government? Though obviously, caught unawares during the first days of the power grab, he has repeatedly offered to meet with the rebel leadership, and did not try to retake the rebel captured cities until rebel armies were well down the road toward Tripoli.

On the first day, Feb. 15, Reuters reported groups of protesters attacking police stations, no deaths, 60 injured.

The next day, Feb. 16, Reuters reported, along with immediately created rebel media, 6 dead when mobs of more than a hundred each attacked more police stations in various towns.

Feb. 17th, during what was to be an anniversary demonstration for the international bloody protests against the Danish Cartoons that insulted the Prophet, which upon declarations from London exiles people were to make it into "A Day of Rage' against Libyan leader Gaddafi, The Evening Standard and Al Jazeera English estimated that fourteen people were killed. Reuters, BBC and opposition media reported 14 or 15 dead.

But after overnight protests, the following day,

18 February 2011, Guardian.co.uk , Ian Black and Owen Bowcott reported: "Amer Saad, a political activist from Derna, told al-Jazeera: "The protesters in al-Bayda have been able to seize control of the military airbase in the city and have executed 50 African "mercenaries' and two Libyan conspirators. Even in Derna today, a number of conspirators [loyal citizens] were executed. They were locked up in the holding cells of a police station because they resisted, and some died burning inside the building."

Reuters 7:03 pm reported that " Human Rights Watch [based on Fifth Avenue< New York] said that according to its sources inside Libya, security forces killed at least 24 people in crackdowns on protests". IOL News of South Africa , reported dozens killed by security forces. [So at this point in our research loyalists deaths outnumber all civilian death on both sides by 2 to 1.]

"Human Rights Watch shortly after sent someone to the east of Libya, and there he found out that all the 156 captured people, which the rebels described as "African mercenaries", were in fact not foreign mercenaries, but Libyans with black skin color, and that they served as regular soldiers in the Army of Libya. Human Rights Watch found no indication that the Libyan government, as claimed by the rebels, used mercenaries at all to quell the uprising in eastern Libya.

The actually existing strong support for Muammar Gaddafi by black-skinned Libyans Human Rights Watch explained with the fact that Muammar Gaddafi did a lot in the past to end the discrimination against black people in Libya. So it's understandable that the rebels hunted black-skinned people and, regardless whether they were Libyan soldiers or foreign refugees of poverty, executed them as a precautionary measure if possible." The British Guardian reported from Benghazi.

On February 24th, shortly after the beginning British Telegraph already reported some more details regarding the observance of human rights by the NATO-backed government opponents in the east of Libya:
"Ahmed Ahmed Ibrahim showed video footage he had captured on his mobile telephone of an African mercenary hanging from a meat-hook in an Al Bayda doorway. " Masquerading as pro-Gaddafi partisans, they duped the mercenaries, who were described as French-speaking Africans, captured them and then dragged them into the streets of Al Bayda " Mr. Ibrahim, who works in a cafe, said he believes most were executed although he only witnessed two slain foreigners."

The criterion "African" here does not refer -- of course, because all Libyans are Africans -- to an African origin, but to the color of the skin: "African" here means people with black skin. What The Telegraph described is applied to people with black skin, which the CIA-backed "rebels" had identified as "foreign mercenaries.

The War in Libya: Race, "Humanitarianism," and the Media Los Angeles Times 4/23/11 by Luis Sinco, "rebel held prisoners are asked to speak up. "A middle-aged African waited for a moment before loudly proclaiming his innocence to no one in particular. "I am a worker, not a fighter. They took me from my house and [raped] my wife," he said, gesturing with his hands.

Before he could say much more, a pair of guards told him to shut up and hustled him through the steel doors of a cell block, which quickly slammed behind them."

Libya: Seconds from a bullet in the head , "this alleged African mercenary was captured by furious Libyan opposition fighters yesterday and was about to be shot before a foreign reporter persuaded them not to execute him" , by Mohammed Abbas, 3/4/11, Scotsman

Tens of thousands of sub-Saharan Africans are employed in Libya's oil industry and in other sectors.

I n Libya, African Migrants Say They Face Hostility NPR, 2/25/11

QUIST-ARCTON: This Turkish oil worker, who's managed to escape from Libya, told the BBC he'd witnessed violence against his African colleagues.

Unidentified Man: (Through translator) We left behind our friends from Chad. We left behind their bodies. We had 70 or 80 people from Chad working for our company. They cut them dead with pruning shears and axes, attacking them, saying you're providing troops for Gadhafi. The Sudanese, the Chadians were massacred. We saw it ourselves"

Among the many cell phone videos on the fighting in Libya are these three. YouTube required the author to understand it is upsetting to watch and click if at least 18 years of age.

lunaticoutpost.com... "pt 4 of 4 - Libyan soldier hanged and beheaded in the city of Benghazi"

Libya Rebels (pt4) Execute, Behead, Mutilate Gaddafi Army who Surrender! Where is CN?
www.uruknet.info...

"Apparently, Pro Gaddafi Soldiers who surrender have been Executed by Rebels in Cold Blood ! Blindfolded, hog-tied, beat, Executed, Hung, beheaded, put on fire, had their bodies mutilated. Anderson Cooper and PBS and Rachel Maddow have described opposition forces of being made up of ordinary citizens who just a short time ago were in their jobs as lawyers, office workers."

Mein Parteibuch Zweitblog , Germany "Appendix: here is a short video showing how the Libyan "rebels" treat black people: Yes, we can. That's how Obama's new Libyan friends treat black people." wp.me...

LIBYA: Rebels execute black immigrants while forces kidnap others SomalilandPress , Somalia ADDIS ABABA -- "human right groups say rebels are committing crimes against humanity."

In east Libya, African hunt began as towns and cities began fall under the control of Libyan rebels, mobs and gangs. They started to detain, insult, rape and even execute black immigrants, students and refugees.

According to Somali refugees in Libya, at least five Somalis from Somaliland and Somalia were executed in Tripoli and Benghazi by anti-Gaddafi mobs. Dozens of refugees and immigrants workers from Ethiopia, Eritrea, Ghana, Nigeria, Chad, Mali and Niger have been killed, some of them were led into the desert and stabbed to death. Black Libyan men receiving medical care in hospitals in Benghazi were reportedly abducted by armed rebels. They are part of more than 200 African immigrants held in secret locations by the rebels.

In many disputes involving Libyan residents and black Africans, the Libyans are turning in the Africans as mercenaries.

Thousands more Africans caught up in this mercenary hysteria are terrified. Some barricaded themselves in their homes, while others hid in the desert. Insulted, threatened, beaten, chased and robbed. Their only crime was being black and therefore treated as "mercenaries" of Gaddafi.

While the airing of Gaddafi's so called "black mercenaries" by Western media has ignited the issue, some say an xenophobic attitude towards these refugees and labourers has existed for years.... In many situations, Gaddafi and his inner circle preferred black Africans and Libyans from the south over Libyans from the east. Now the angry mobs using the revolutionary movement across Arabia and North Africa are hunting down black people."

Reuters UK edition 4/3/11 - Chad says citizens abused in rebel-held Libya

"Several Chadian nationals had been arrested, some were "paraded on television as mercenaries and sometimes executed" despite denials that Libya had recruited any mercenaries from its southern neighbour. The government of Chad had said about 300,000 of its citizens resided in Libya before the crisis. "

Libyan protesters attack S. Korean & Chinese companies , Feb 22, 2011 Reuters Sri Lanka

"On February 17/18,about 200 Libyans in the eastern coastal town of Darnah invaded a South Korean-run construction site and set fire to a dormitory for Korean workers.

Chinese workers here said nearly all Chinese companies in the country were "attacked or looted."

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reply to post by Kali74


ya same thing i would have refused too. Since gadhafi refuse to budge down. i'm not defending the rebels, but they sure do have a point.

Originally posted by GovtFlu

Originally posted by Aggie Man
Why would any sane Libyan accept an election offered by Gadaffi? When he steps down, or is removed, and the process takes it's natural course, then maybe they will be accepting...until then, nothing offered would be trustworthy.

You ever lived in Libya?.. experienced life in the shoes of the average Libyan?.. who are you to decide whats "sane"?.. because I'm pretty sure having Gadaffi in charge is a whole lot more "sane" than being blown into NATO freedom-bits... more sane than allowing US politicians & the federal reserve putting their grubby little hands on Libys resources.. and a hellofa lot more sane than being "helped" like an Iraqi.

I'm not sure what any of that has to do with Libyan rebels rejecting Gadaffi's election offer, but ok.

So, if Gadaffi is truly willing to give up power, then why not step aside and let the people choose their new leader?

reply to post by Aggie Man


A leader doesn't step aside and let foreign stooges take over the country. Are you kidding me or has the delusional reality which you have been spoon fed through media really getting you.

If I was Qaddafi I would never step down, do you think it is sane to allow CIA trained and financed terrorist take over the country?

Originally posted by confreak
reply to post by Aggie Man

 

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If I was Qaddafi I would never step down

You are right...in fact, we should do things the same way here in the US. Hell, let's just let Obama keep his job for the next 40+years.

The people of Lybia have spoken. They want new leadership. Gadaffi's fate is sealed and he is only prolonging his inevitable demise.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


Do you see....

Unfortunately, due to the majority of Americans believe passionately in everything that is "official" on fox, Cnn Msn,etc .... that your country is becoming a police state ... Unfortunately i have noticed that even it is happening in Europe, we are all doomed if we do not open ours eyes.

Sorry for the english.

Originally posted by confreak
reply to post by SpeachM1litant

 

All the pro Qaddafi demonstrations were met by mass murder in the east, then the media switched the story line, claiming anti-Regime protesters were killed by regime forces.

Before the situation spiral out of control, the "rebel CIA pawn terrorists" were the ones who started killing, started attacking police stations, and attacking protesters. Black Libyans faced the most terror as they were called Mercenaries, an intentional propaganda lie created by the pawns and its Western masters.

1. There were no peaceful protests!

2. CNN, covering the Danish Cartoons anniversary demonstration that was cooped with an announcement from London to make it into a "day of rage against Libyan leader Gaddafi,' showed us camera panning of a modest size crowd (mostly men) jumping up and down shouting against Gaddafi (not against Libya's high standard of living).

3. There were armed attacks on police stations (even traffic police) and vicious attacks on Chinese and Korea construction workers already two days before, and during the anniversary of the Danish Cartoons or "day of rage,' executions of 50 captured Libyan soldiers, one beheaded, some hung along with police officers. And who knows how many ordinary Libyan civilians harmed by tough guys brought in to Benghazi and other Cyrenaican towns. This was reported by Reuters and BBC, but not CNN.

4. CNN showed a video of a small amount of people scattering, running at twilight, cell phone camera jerking around in confusion with the sound of shooting from completely unidentified sources. There was Anderson Cooper and Nic Robertson crying out that "Gaddafi', was "targeting, shooting, bombing his own people who only want democracy. At the same time a flood of anti Gaddafi reports were coming in from well funded Libyan exile backers in various countries.

5. Imagine! On Feb. 21 a bare four days after the overseas calls for "day of rage' U.S. media's UK counterpart, the Telegraph reported that " the International Federation for Human Rights said Libya's second city along with Sirte, Tobruk, Misrata, Khoms, Tarhounah, Zenten, Al-Zawiya and Zouara had all been taken by protesters. "Protesters?" We were given to see these tough hombre heavily armed "freedom fighters' in their fleets of pickup trucks looking nothing at all like protesters.

6. While, very quickly, heavily armed insurgent gangs, always described as "ordinary citizens who had dropped their office jobs a few days before to fight for freedom,' were efficiently overrunning towns and airports, Cooper and Robertson kept excitedly exclaiming cities were being bombed from the air - civilians targeted - showing viewers the same single bomb crater in a field outside of a town for five days running as proof, though oddly admitting no one had been injured.

7. CNN and NY Times have never reported that Libya, as opposed to desperately poor Egypt and Yemen enjoys a higher standard of living than nine European nations including Russia. Rather, they continue emphasizing Western media condemnation of Gaddafi over his entire four decades of leadership of Libya and the movement for African Union.

8. In less than 2 weeks came Obama's executive orders freezing Libyan accounts or confiscating Libyan accounts of billions of dollars for eventual use by insurgents. Even earlier began the threats from international institutions beholden to U.S. and NATO, and open speculation by the same coalition of former colonial powers that had once conquered and ruled the entire non-white world for centuries, of military action against "Gaddafi' (that would add a sixth Muslim nation to its bombing list of Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Yemen and Pakistan.

9. Then came the successful pressuring of China and Russia not to veto a U.S. NATO attack on Libya in favor of the insurgent army (almost openly led and funded by CIA, M16, Mossad and the French Secret Service) under the pretext of protecting the Libyan population from its own government (never referred to a an independent nation, but as "Gaddafi" or "the Gaddafi regime). A UN "Security Council' resolution was passed, but never meant to protect Libyans from a brutal foreign funded insurgent army calling for warplanes of the former European occupiers of North Africa to bomb their own countrymen and nation. During all the months following, CNN would have us believe the attacking insurgents never killed anyone, while hammering in the Gaddafi monster theme.

10. All this deception was prepared over decades of rabid media attacks on Gaddafi, the anti-imperialist, the "mad dog' of Reagan and Secretary Clinton, and then with claims that Libya was having just another revolution like those against the many U.S. supported dictators of Arab nations. War on Libyan was accepted by the American public in the same way the public had accepted covert violence and war to protect Guatemalans, Congolese, Dominicans, Cubans, Panamanians, Nicaraguans, Chileans and Hondurans from their presidents, wars to protect Koreans from other Koreans, Vietnamese from Vietnamese, Laotians from Laotians, Cambodians from Cambodians, Lebanese from Lebanese, Afghans from Afghans, Iraqis from Iraqis, Somalis from Somalis, Yemeni from Yemeni, Grenadians from Grenadians, Salvadorians from Salvadorians, Yugoslavs from Yugoslavs, Iranians from Iranians, Haitians from Haitians, and Pakistanis from Pakistanis. By this time everyone should have known of the U.S. protection racket, but count on innovation by CIA, CNN and the NY Times to make a seemingly ironclad case in favor of each new U.S. EU Canadian Australian war coalition.

Obama, whose words, accepted as the almighty himself speaking when it comes to protecting the U.S. from the outside world, keeps announcing Gaddafi must go unconditionally. Obama's reason for bombing a sixth Muslim nation? Not to protect Americans from terrorism, but to prevent Gaddafi from massacring his own people. So suspiciously caring of a Nobel Peace Prize President nonchalantly ordering the taking of thousands of lives in a half dozen other Muslim nations in order to protect invading American soldiers and Americans at home.

This latest war would seem far fetched, but for CNN boldly leading enough of the rest of corporate owned Western media in public deception with repeating war-justifying sound-bites colored by almost obvious psyops of "now you see it, now you don't' film shots.

No one, in reaction, is allowed to flinch, as the augustly at home with himself self-righteous President feels somehow necessary to top off his charge of Gaddafi the mad massacrer of his own people, by dramatically throwing in mention of a woman claiming to Western reporters in Tripoli that she was raped by Libyan soldiers. (The black worker who told Reuters of his wife being raped before him by rebels is a non-happening for Cooper and Robertson who with great show of compassion promoted the Tripoli woman's fascinating charge for a whole week of prime time sex entertainment while those British and French paragons of virtue were bombing to clear the way for an insurgent army advance.

When it came the turn of the U.S. NATO controlled International Criminal Court to condemn Gaddafi for crimes against humanity (something no ex-colonial power has ever been indicted for), "Prosecutor Moreno-Ocampo said there was evidence that the Libyan authorities bought "Viagra-type' medicines and gave them to troops as part of the official rape policy. "They were buying containers to enhance the possibility to rape women', he said. 'We had doubts at the beginning but now we are more convinced that he decided to punish using rapes', the prosecutor said. He told reporters at the UN in New York that he had collected evidence suggesting the Libyan leader had decided to punish women by using rape as a weapon in the hope that it would instill fear and curb dissent. In March, a Libyan woman, Eman al-Obeidi, made headlines around the world after she burst into a Tripoli hotel and said she had been raped by Gaddafi's troops.

Imagine! Obama and the ICC, to justify taking Libyan lives to protect other Libyans from a mass murderer, see the necessity to include freaky unsubstantiated sex accusations. Do they take us all for absolute fools? - while they play civil war on a whole nation out of the goodness of their hearts? Is it that rich and powerful white folks plan to rule the the rest of the world for another couple of centuries? This ICC has only opened six investigations, all six on African nations. The Libyan government dismissed the complaint of the ICC, "a baby of the EU designed for prosecuting African leaders."

11. U.S. Treasury estimated there are 44 tones of gold in the 100% state owned bank of Libya currently minting gold dinars to replace trading in dollars and euros. This must have been the reason to hurry an invasion of Libya (apart from its largest oil reserves in Africa that were then exporting mostly to China). We might ask ourselves: What happens when a "rogue" country threatens to bring the banking system that benefits the corporatocracy to its knees? (See article by Reagan economist Paul Craig Roberts quoted further on).

13. Documented here below are reports of insurgent acts of horror - mostly by non-U.S media. The reader is encouraged to check for himself or herself what exactly was reported by all the world's major print news outlets from Feb. 15th onward in terms of number of casualties for both sides, and to view whatever videos are offered as proof that Libyan police, security, soldiers targeted civilians peacefully protesting. The internet, Google and YouTube have of course a great deal of material emphasizing mainstream anti-Gaddafi accusations and praise for the rebel attacks on the government, but much can be learned from one's failing to find verified that which CNN, the other five U.S. networks, and U.S. print media have put out, especially to justify big power military intervention against the government of Libya, always referred to as "Gaddafi" or "the Gaddafi regime"

On TV, we didn't see planes and tanks "unleashed" until truck loads of heavily armed rebels were well on the road toward Tripoli. One does remember two planes defecting to Malta, two others falling out of the sky, one shot down over the ocean. But no pictures of planes bombing protesters; no proof that orders were given to do so. Gaddafi, has throughout been calling for an international investigation of happenings everywhere in Libya, by the UN or any other Western power to ascertain exactly who has been shooting who while Western media accuses only him and his government? Though obviously, caught unawares during the first days of the power grab, he has repeatedly offered to meet with the rebel leadership, and did not try to retake the rebel captured cities until rebel armies were well down the road toward Tripoli.

On the first day, Feb. 15, Reuters reported groups of protesters attacking police stations, no deaths, 60 injured.

The next day, Feb. 16, Reuters reported, along with immediately created rebel media, 6 dead when mobs of more than a hundred each attacked more police stations in various towns.

Feb. 17th, during what was to be an anniversary demonstration for the international bloody protests against the Danish Cartoons that insulted the Prophet, which upon declarations from London exiles people were to make it into "A Day of Rage' against Libyan leader Gaddafi, The Evening Standard and Al Jazeera English estimated that fourteen people were killed. Reuters, BBC and opposition media reported 14 or 15 dead.

But after overnight protests, the following day,

18 February 2011, Guardian.co.uk , Ian Black and Owen Bowcott reported: "Amer Saad, a political activist from Derna, told al-Jazeera: "The protesters in al-Bayda have been able to seize control of the military airbase in the city and have executed 50 African "mercenaries' and two Libyan conspirators. Even in Derna today, a number of conspirators [loyal citizens] were executed. They were locked up in the holding cells of a police station because they resisted, and some died burning inside the building."

Reuters 7:03 pm reported that " Human Rights Watch [based on Fifth Avenue< New York] said that according to its sources inside Libya, security forces killed at least 24 people in crackdowns on protests". IOL News of South Africa , reported dozens killed by security forces. [So at this point in our research loyalists deaths outnumber all civilian death on both sides by 2 to 1.]

"Human Rights Watch shortly after sent someone to the east of Libya, and there he found out that all the 156 captured people, which the rebels described as "African mercenaries", were in fact not foreign mercenaries, but Libyans with black skin color, and that they served as regular soldiers in the Army of Libya. Human Rights Watch found no indication that the Libyan government, as claimed by the rebels, used mercenaries at all to quell the uprising in eastern Libya.

The actually existing strong support for Muammar Gaddafi by black-skinned Libyans Human Rights Watch explained with the fact that Muammar Gaddafi did a lot in the past to end the discrimination against black people in Libya. So it's understandable that the rebels hunted black-skinned people and, regardless whether they were Libyan soldiers or foreign refugees of poverty, executed them as a precautionary measure if possible." The British Guardian reported from Benghazi.

On February 24th, shortly after the beginning British Telegraph already reported some more details regarding the observance of human rights by the NATO-backed government opponents in the east of Libya:
"Ahmed Ahmed Ibrahim showed video footage he had captured on his mobile telephone of an African mercenary hanging from a meat-hook in an Al Bayda doorway. " Masquerading as pro-Gaddafi partisans, they duped the mercenaries, who were described as French-speaking Africans, captured them and then dragged them into the streets of Al Bayda " Mr. Ibrahim, who works in a cafe, said he believes most were executed although he only witnessed two slain foreigners."

The criterion "African" here does not refer -- of course, because all Libyans are Africans -- to an African origin, but to the color of the skin: "African" here means people with black skin. What The Telegraph described is applied to people with black skin, which the CIA-backed "rebels" had identified as "foreign mercenaries.

The War in Libya: Race, "Humanitarianism," and the Media Los Angeles Times 4/23/11 by Luis Sinco, "rebel held prisoners are asked to speak up. "A middle-aged African waited for a moment before loudly proclaiming his innocence to no one in particular. "I am a worker, not a fighter. They took me from my house and [raped] my wife," he said, gesturing with his hands.

Before he could say much more, a pair of guards told him to shut up and hustled him through the steel doors of a cell block, which quickly slammed behind them."

Libya: Seconds from a bullet in the head , "this alleged African mercenary was captured by furious Libyan opposition fighters yesterday and was about to be shot before a foreign reporter persuaded them not to execute him" , by Mohammed Abbas, 3/4/11, Scotsman

Tens of thousands of sub-Saharan Africans are employed in Libya's oil industry and in other sectors.

I n Libya, African Migrants Say They Face Hostility NPR, 2/25/11

QUIST-ARCTON: This Turkish oil worker, who's managed to escape from Libya, told the BBC he'd witnessed violence against his African colleagues.

Unidentified Man: (Through translator) We left behind our friends from Chad. We left behind their bodies. We had 70 or 80 people from Chad working for our company. They cut them dead with pruning shears and axes, attacking them, saying you're providing troops for Gadhafi. The Sudanese, the Chadians were massacred. We saw it ourselves"

Among the many cell phone videos on the fighting in Libya are these three. YouTube required the author to understand it is upsetting to watch and click if at least 18 years of age.

lunaticoutpost.com... "pt 4 of 4 - Libyan soldier hanged and beheaded in the city of Benghazi"

Libya Rebels (pt4) Execute, Behead, Mutilate Gaddafi Army who Surrender! Where is CN?
www.uruknet.info...

"Apparently, Pro Gaddafi Soldiers who surrender have been Executed by Rebels in Cold Blood ! Blindfolded, hog-tied, beat, Executed, Hung, beheaded, put on fire, had their bodies mutilated. Anderson Cooper and PBS and Rachel Maddow have described opposition forces of being made up of ordinary citizens who just a short time ago were in their jobs as lawyers, office workers."

Mein Parteibuch Zweitblog , Germany "Appendix: here is a short video showing how the Libyan "rebels" treat black people: Yes, we can. That's how Obama's new Libyan friends treat black people." wp.me...

LIBYA: Rebels execute black immigrants while forces kidnap others SomalilandPress , Somalia ADDIS ABABA -- "human right groups say rebels are committing crimes against humanity."

In east Libya, African hunt began as towns and cities began fall under the control of Libyan rebels, mobs and gangs. They started to detain, insult, rape and even execute black immigrants, students and refugees.

According to Somali refugees in Libya, at least five Somalis from Somaliland and Somalia were executed in Tripoli and Benghazi by anti-Gaddafi mobs. Dozens of refugees and immigrants workers from Ethiopia, Eritrea, Ghana, Nigeria, Chad, Mali and Niger have been killed, some of them were led into the desert and stabbed to death. Black Libyan men receiving medical care in hospitals in Benghazi were reportedly abducted by armed rebels. They are part of more than 200 African immigrants held in secret locations by the rebels.

In many disputes involving Libyan residents and black Africans, the Libyans are turning in the Africans as mercenaries.

Thousands more Africans caught up in this mercenary hysteria are terrified. Some barricaded themselves in their homes, while others hid in the desert. Insulted, threatened, beaten, chased and robbed. Their only crime was being black and therefore treated as "mercenaries" of Gaddafi.

While the airing of Gaddafi's so called "black mercenaries" by Western media has ignited the issue, some say an xenophobic attitude towards these refugees and labourers has existed for years.... In many situations, Gaddafi and his inner circle preferred black Africans and Libyans from the south over Libyans from the east. Now the angry mobs using the revolutionary movement across Arabia and North Africa are hunting down black people."

Reuters UK edition 4/3/11 - Chad says citizens abused in rebel-held Libya

"Several Chadian nationals had been arrested, some were "paraded on television as mercenaries and sometimes executed" despite denials that Libya had recruited any mercenaries from its southern neighbour. The government of Chad had said about 300,000 of its citizens resided in Libya before the crisis. "

Libyan protesters attack S. Korean & Chinese companies , Feb 22, 2011 Reuters Sri Lanka

"On February 17/18,about 200 Libyans in the eastern coastal town of Darnah invaded a South Korean-run construction site and set fire to a dormitory for Korean workers.

Chinese workers here said nearly all Chinese companies in the country were "attacked or looted."

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a little off topic i could of sworn they were all blacks , when did not being black as charcoal make u white !

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Back from my vacation

"These people are criminals, they have utter disregard for human life. They have to withdraw troops from

The real criminals are the rebels themselves, they wanted democracy right? and now they rejected it which now that they rejected they are nothing more then hired paid western terrorists goons by America and NATO

This saddens me because this leading us to a manufactured world war again.

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It seems the rebels are going to get elections on their own terms some time shortly - without having to put up with Qadaffi's troops still controling most of the population.

Any more comments from the Qadaffi stooges here??

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Any more comments from the Qadaffi stooges here??

And you must be the radical rebel suppoter eh? Libya will be a puppet to the west just like iraq s now, just with different leader obeying the puppet masters a little better then Gadaffi was.

It seems the rebels are going to get elections on their own terms some time shortly

Elections right just like the fixed riged elections here eh?

Your "rigged" elections are still a lot better than anythign that has happened in Libya for the last 42 years.

I suspect the ordinary folk in Libya would look at the standard of living and incomes in "NWO ruled countries" with a great deal of envy - certainly they'd like to have as much income and as high a standard of living as the repressed masses in the USA!