Need a job? Georgia Farmers have 11,000 jobs unfilled.

reply to post by ofhumandescent


Capitalism is funny in that regard. It allows for a few people to reach financial security at the top, while those, at the base, that are trying to obtain it which makes those who are the top even wealthier. There are a few that manage to go from rags to riches, but the majority never will. No different than the pyramid schemes that companies like Amway used to pitch. Think about it...

Amway would psyche you up to achieve the "Amway Dream." You too can be like those at the top with nice luxuries, and riches beyond your dreams. All you have to do is peddle our merchandise and hire people below you to peddle it too and then you get to reap off of their hard work and eventually kick back and do nothing... How many people can you say you personally know, that weren't already at the top, that ever gained wealth from a pyramid scheme of any sort. The people at the top double dipped into the profits they made off of selling the merchandise, and money paid from their subordinates (debt) to stay in the system.

In comparison, the "American Dream" is no different at a simple level, but it is a tad more complex. According to the "American Dream" one should go to college which is so expensive that most have to get loans save those who are smart, or talented enough to get scholarships. Then you get yourself a nice job to pay off that debt, and then you need a nice house, and a nice car to go with it, so you can be like the guys at the top. Who are laughing as the money flows in off of all of your hard work.

Back to the talented few that get athletic scholarships to school. They go on and to well at their said sport, and get treated like kings and queens. Very few even go on to become pros and get paid millions upon millions, while those that own the teams, market and profit off of them to make billions and billions. The people at the bottom of the dream revere these talented few and buy their merchandise, support their team, etc etc... Once again fueling those at the top who sit back and watch the wealth flow in.

Meanwhile public servants, civil servants, and those that provide service get menial wages, and those a little higher than them establish businesses to employ these people and are a little better off, or they take the college education route and work for the next level. At the next level you have the executives of these smaller companies, and successful entrepreneurs / investors, and doctors who probably accumulated tons of debts to go to school, buy a house, or start their business,, but are making good money now, then the banks that loan to these people & celebrities & highly successful business moguls, then the people that control the assets of these banks, and so on and so on...

Now to tie this back into the OP to avoid straying too far off topic. When that "American Dream" scheme crumbles, and believe me it will just like every system before it in history has, the redistribution of perceived value which was held and monetized by the US dollar will collapse and be reversed. Those with the skills required to fix things, grow & cultivate crops, teach, police, organize, rally, and barter will be the new wealthy. While the wealthy of old who cherished their paper fiat money, and digits in corrupt financial systems' computers that represented their wealth will mean nothing. That is, unless of course, they will not give up their perceived wealth so easily and construct a new way to obscure perceived value into a new authoritarian like system which will rise out of the chaos mentioned above is what some call the NWO...

PS - this is an American example, but other capitalist systems around the world follow a similar principle and are backed by fiat currencies that are failing, or have already failed, so that new fiat currencies had to be made i.e. the Euro. Don't get me wrong capitalism is better than most of the other systems that exist out there and have failed time and time again, but it is still flawed and will fail unless something changes; be it positive or negative.

We have not been doing better with cheap labor. Things are worse now than ever. So give the jobs to the American citizens and not an illegal who doesn't respect our laws. Our citizens could have millions of jobs if it were not for illegal immigrants.

reply to post by spyder550


What would you suggest people do that cannot find work that desperately need it?

reply to post by Night Star


Easier said than done because most of those illegal immigrants are doing jobs that legal citizens do not want to do. That's why there is a shortage of workers in the first place. And to exacerbate that problem, the people that hire for the unwanted positions feel as though they have to hire illegals and pay them less under the table to make their service/goods affordable enough to where people will buy from them.

While it is true that some are just greedy and want to maximize profit, but there are others that are really in a quandary because they cannot find anyone skilled enough to work for them that will accept minimum wage, and if they do manage to hire someone for minimum wage or higher, they will have to raise their prices to stay in business. If they raise their prices then no one will buy their goods or services.

Originally posted by spyder550

16/hr LOL the min wage for farm work is about 5.75 per hour. Good luck finding 16.oo

A lot of these jobs base your pay on your production.

I spent a lot of time working on farms when I was younger, some days you can make a fortune other days not so much (but certainly enough to feed yourself).

It's a very interesting experience in any case, I worked with migrant famlies who just travelled around the country like someone else said (as crops ripen). I'll tell you what, they know how to work and they actually produce something of value (unlike most high paid paper pushers). It's worthwhile just to see what a real work ethic looks like. I used to work 12 hours a day 7 days a week.

Easy fix. Jobless people on unemployment can continue to receive unemployment compensation while working these farm jobs. Jobs filled. People that normally wouldn't work it because it would end their unemployment checks (and not be much more money) would love the extra cash.

The gubment would have to pay them to sit around anyways, so this puts them to work, and fills a need.

I have not read this whole thread yet... but... What many are not taking into consideration is that it is too dangerous for a white American female (or even male, really) to take any of these jobs..... even though we desperately need the money and are very willing to work hard, per norm, to earn it.

Many jobs in this area (Florida/Georgia) are too dangerous because of the illegal immigrants and the ex-cons that they've already hired on these jobs. Anyone that doesn't understand that what I'm saying is the truth and not some racial degradation....... is apparently not a white woman that has ever been around a group of that making.

I want a job.... badly. I love working outside and in gardening. I've worked hard on every job I've ever had... back breaking work.

It would be suicidal of me to take one of those jobs... and many others not covered in this thread, because of who they hire.

But....... many people and certainly every politician would probably dispute that fact. So... I starve for work while Florida's Governor, rick scott, makes it impossible to survive while trying to find a job. Meanwhile they claim we're all just spoiled and lazy.

reply to post by majesticgent


The current system we now have is corrupt to the core and antiquated.

It is time for some real change.

But, not enough of us have awaken from our slumber in the Matrix we have allowed to entrap us.

Until enough of us have awaken, and take non-violent, postive action, things will only get worse.

It is time for change but we must all unite.

There are more of us at the bottom of the pyramid than at the top.

reply to post by majesticgent


That is why small local farmers markets are starting to open up here in my neck of the woods, regular people with land are planting and selling their small goods, vegetables, fruits, fresh eggs and home made stuff.

The families does it themselves and its nice to buy their products.

I starting to look forward to our local market on saturdays.

Originally posted by dreams n chains
I have not read this whole thread yet... but... What many are not taking into consideration is that it is too dangerous for a white American female (or even male, really) to take any of these jobs..... even though we desperately need the money and are very willing to work hard, per norm, to earn it.

Many jobs in this area (Florida/Georgia) are too dangerous because of the illegal immigrants and the ex-cons that they've already hired on these jobs. Anyone that doesn't understand that what I'm saying is the truth and not some racial degradation....... is apparently not a white woman that has ever been around a group of that making.

I agree that it is dangerous. When I was working these jobs there was actually a murder 50 feet from my tent. You can pick out the really bad elements pretty quickly but you have to be very careful.

Originally posted by dreams n chains
It would be suicidal of me to take one of those jobs... and many others not covered in this thread, because of who they hire.

That is overstating things a bit. Are shady people gathered in greater concentration than elsewhere, absolutely, but guess what (?) - they are around you everyday anyhow.

Having said all that, I would not want my wife or daughter around these camps w/o a man. Not saying they can't look out for themselves but a woman all by herself screams easy target. There was also some prostitution going on here and there... not really a great place for the women and children, but you'll meet some amazing people (and whole famlies) too.

reply to post by dreams n chains


The job is dangerous because of extreme temperatures, coupled with hard manual labor, and working around heavy equipment all are recipes for accidents and injuries. This explains why there is a shortage in labor, and why illegal immigrants were a majority of the workforce for such a low wage. Nonetheless it's work when people are saying there isn't any work...

Television fans of "Deadliest Catch" would probably say fishermen hold the most dangerous job, and they would be right. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, fishing is the most dangerous occupation with more than 71 deaths per 100,000 workers.

The second most dangerous occupation belongs to pilots and navigators, which is a little worrisome to those of us who are frequent flyers. In third place come loggers. Timber cutters suffer fatalities nearly 30 times higher than those employed in a typical workplace, most killed by falling trees.

The fourth most dangerous job is structural metalworkers, which is understandable since they walk the girders. In fifth place are waste management workers whose biggest threat comes on roads where they are exposed to fast moving vehicles while doing their jobs.

Power line workers are in seventh place, followed closely by roofers in eighth. In ninth place are construction workers and tenth place belongs to truck drivers.

What, you say I skipped one? Let's see, structural metalworkers, waste management workers – oh, yeah, the sixth most dangerous job…farming.

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According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, farming is more dangerous than police work and firefighting. Those who serve with the police force and fire departments know their jobs are dangerous and are highly trained in protecting each other. Farmers frequently work alone.

... Farmers also operate large machinery when planting and harvesting and are always under pressure to get the crop in or out of the ground before the weather changes.

Working long hours for many consecutive days with heavy machinery is all too often a recipe for disaster. Another risk is farmers move machinery from one field to another via county roads where drivers frequently speed. Many drivers are not looking for a slow moving combine over the next hill.

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Originally posted by CuriousEnigma
Easy fix. Jobless people on unemployment can continue to receive unemployment compensation while working these farm jobs. Jobs filled. People that normally wouldn't work it because it would end their unemployment checks (and not be much more money) would love the extra cash.

The gubment would have to pay them to sit around anyways, so this puts them to work, and fills a need.

So which would be better -- I am forced to go to work for minimum wage and do farm work -- or I actually devote my talents to trying to find a job as a senior network engineer; who would pay back significantly more in taxes, and significantly support my local economy Just how are you going to make that cut. Please tell me -- the problem with blanket statements are that they seldom address even a little bit of the problem. Your proposal looks at the unemployed as indentured servants, that's really a third world concept -- I know take back America -- the question is how far should we go back.

You know why we have unemployment compensation don't you. The main reason is not for the unemployed it is for the businesses that survive when that money is put back into the system.

Originally posted by ofhumandescent
There are more of us at the bottom of the pyramid than at the top.

Exactly, but until the delusion of the chance of reaching the top, or complacency with the status quo is broken then nothing will happen.

reply to post by SevenBeans


In the years that illegals has been working the fields here in GA the farmers provide them with trailers in which they can fix as many workers as they can, they also bring prostitutes for them provided by the coyotes from Mexico, in other words is been known for the local police to find unwilling women brought with the pretenses of work to do prostitution against their will.

Also some farmers got in trouble when they were holding illegal workers hostage making them buy food and tools from them and the money deducted from their earnings.

Yes is been all kind of bad things going on and the some farmers with less scrupulous seems to support this type of behavior.

But here in my neck of the woods in the county the felons they are to be using are not convicts just minor ofenders that are told to pay back to society and the city what they stole

reply to post by marg6043


I try to frequent those markets every chance I get. I'd much rather support my local farmer than some industrialized giant serving up GMO like seedless grapes and melons. Thanks for bringing that up.

reply to post by majesticgent


Thankfully GMO in GA is not working, farmers try to start with the corn and soy but they soon found out that it was affecting most of the crops that were neither corn or soy, as we have many other crops.

So the state decided to stop the GMO seeds, you know is easy to spot a field that uses GMO corn or soy, after harvest nothing grows in it naturally.



But when you see a field still growing random corn after harvest you know that the seeds are stil fertile.

reply to post by spyder550


I never shared the sentiment as the poster you just quoted. I'm saying there are jobs when people are saying there aren't any jobs. No whether or not people want to take the jobs available are a different question. Maybe the MSM should say there aren't any attractive jobs available.

The more and more I learn about these jobs from the posts the more and more I see why the situation is the way it is. Sounds like corruption all over the place.

Surely not all of these jobs are from unethical farmers. If one of you in the know had to place a percentage on it. Out of all of the 11,000 or so jobs they say are available, how many do you think are needed by upstanding ethical farmers versus the unethical ones?

It's nice to see kids having summer work here in Michigan. Befort the illegals would work so low that 10 would do the job of 5 workers. it's not because the farmers and such were paying less it's because one legal would take the check for 5 people and put 10 to work by paying them less nad take a big cut for himself. Here at work they have 5-6 guys working in thr flower beds and none look Mexican. Good jobs for all

This number is kind of misleading.

I'm in GA and the number is around 11,000, but those jobs are only available for a couple of weeks, 3 at the most. These are extreme temp jobs that I think in the long run hurt the people looking for work as it takes them away from looking for almost a month.

This is the same thing they did for the census workers. They hired a bunch of census workers and the unemployment numbers went down and everyone was happy. When the job was over and they laid everyone off the unemployment numbers went up again and everyone was frowny face.

I'm sorry, but working for around 5.50 an hour for 3 weeks doesn't compete with an unemployment check.

reply to post by marg6043


I was amazed when I found out that companies like Montsano would sue farmers for having their specific strain of plant which was modified to be more resistant to pests and more resilient in drought situations.

Over the years Monsanto has sued farmers alleging they have stolen the corporation’s intellectual property by saving their proprietary seed rather than purchasing new seed each year that would include a “technology fee.” Because pollen, and genetics, can be spread through the wind, or by insects, farmers are vulnerable to having their crops contaminated and then subsequently being sued by Monsanto.

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That's ludicrous!!! It's a good thing that the farmers are fighting back against them!

I bring this up to make a point. Companies like Monsano probably sold the Georgia farmers terminator seeds that do not grow up again, so they could maximize profit and prevent cross-pollination of their crop.

Through modern biotechnology, it may be possible to develop crops that will not produce viable offspring seeds or that will produce viable seeds with specific genes switched-off. Gene Use Restriction Technology (GURT) includes a range of technologies employed at the genetic level, designed to limit the use or spread of specific genetic material in agriculture.

Sterile seed technology is a type of GURT in which seed produced by a crop will not grow. Dubbed “terminator technology” in the popular press, many have expressed concerns that sterile seed technology might pose a threat to the livelihood and way of life of small landholder farmers in developing countries. These farmers have saved seeds to plant the next crop for centuries.

Monsanto has never developed or commercialized a sterile seed product.

Source - Monsanto

Yeah, sure they might not have directly, but I'm sure someone has...