Anonymous targeting Federal Reserve in next attack

This is to prove that even with a multi billion dollar security infrastructure in place that they can get "got" at an hour of someone else's choosing and not theirs.

This is to expose them and show them how vulnerable they truly are. They think they own us but this is to flip the script and to challenge them electronically.

Originally posted by zookey
reply to post by Hijaqd

 

I don't care who done it, just dont put me at risk.

If they really want to help, they can wipe out everybodies debts.

edit on 14-6-2011 by zookey because: (no reason given)

Please hold off on the last suggestion for about 2 weeks. Im currently trying to buy a new Ferrari, jetski and a vacation home in the Ozarks.

All on credit of course.

It seems like people are so willing to accept that the governments of the world can shut down the internet, or cripple our free speech online.

That is simply not possible. Many millions require the presence of the internet to function productively in society. The rich got richer installing the infrastructure to serve their desire to reach their "consumers" (the source of all wealth). They cannot give that up and survive... unless they turn to totalitarianism, which history has demonstrated repeatedly, does not work. Humans make terrible slaves, they always end up free (and usually fairly pissed off.)

People think that what Anonymous is doing can qualify as "terror."

It is not terror; it is criminal, but not terror. Dissent and Civil Disobedience will always be criminal. Standing governments, by definition, must hold that line. Should you patriotically support your government against any who challenge it? Probably. Of course, the assumption is that this is your government. Is it really?

The choice to participate or not is personal.

Whatever the machinations of those masters of duplicitous compartmentalization of agendas lead to, it will not be our downfall - but it will be theirs unless they are willing to accept that they are not 'the authority' over people.

This is a newly evolved animal, digital dissent. Clearly it was not anticipated. Nor are the ruling oligarchs surrounded by those gifted enough to see what has to happen.

Anonymous, whatever that is, will not stop existing despite any efforts the establishment makes to punish the population generally. Any attempt to squelch the internet will herald the establishment's eventual ruin.

Presuming that the potential for totalitarianism to take seed exists within the body of our political clowns, which of them would survive the paradigm shift? From whom will we be taking orders, I wonder?

I am no proponent of crime as a means to bring about justice. Nor am I blind to the injustice which prevails in the halls of power. I cannot bring myself to applaud the means. I find all weapons to be, ultimately, indiscriminate. The internet as a weapon is no more discriminate than a bullet. All Anonymous has shown me is that they can communicate with those who are usually out of the reach of the common man. That much is a start.

But if it could be accomplished that way, why not any other? What makes the 'common human' so complacent? We need to change ourselves if we are to change the world, generally speaking.

All Anonymous could ever hope to accomplish is to support a popular uprising; they could never dream of 'being' the uprising and they know that. Their greatest weakness is their greatest strength, their anonymity. I suspect Anonymous is much more than a 'net' based association.

There is a vacuum between them, and someone is filling it. I'm not talking about your recruits gleefully engaging in cooperative net flooding; but those who are willing to enunciate the purpose and objectives of the idea.

Sure would like to have a word with one of them.... because the problem with revolutions is that what remains after a revolution is usually the feeding grounds of the worst kinds of people. And I'd like to know about their long-term vision; and if Anonymous is willing to cease existing should a Utopian future arrive.

reply to post by Maxmars


I understand what you are saying, and also agree. On the other hand, I want to classify them as a modern day Robin Hood, maybe not a good example but it is all I have.

But I ask, when talking fails what is the next course of action? When all "legal" means of putting an end to abuse of power in the corporate and political field fail, and perpetrators remain relatively unnamed and faceless, then what is one to do? When we beg and plead with our elected officials and they turn a deaf ear and do what they want anyway, what is one to do?

When words do not work and will never work, what is the next step at setting things right?

Originally posted by Maxmars
It seems like people are so willing to accept that the governments of the world can shut down the internet, or cripple our free speech online.

That is simply not possible. Many millions require the presence of the internet to function productively in society. The rich got richer installing the infrastructure to serve their desire to reach their "consumers" (the source of all wealth). They cannot give that up and survive... unless they turn to totalitarianism, which history has demonstrated repeatedly, does not work. Humans make terrible slaves, they always end up free (and usually fairly pissed off.)

edit on 14-6-2011 by Maxmars because: (no reason given)

I think you are under-estimating their resolve to stay in power no matter what. All one has to do is look at libya, tunisia and egypt to find out that the first thing that goes offline is the internet and cell phones. The USA and european governments would probably choose a more clandestine approach such as eliminating third party cookies to put bloggers and alternative sites out of business.

Without sponsored ads, only official newspaper and magazine paid subscription sites will remain and we all know just how biased they are; after all they don't call it the spin room for nothing. They have already proposed such measures in the past under obama's "internet security" challenge, but due to counter-lobbying it was foiled at the last minute.

I wouldn't worry too much. Those websites are nothing more than "road signs" on a highway, which we think is a "main road," and isn't.

Those hackers are not doing anything but spray-painting graffiti.

In reality, governmental agencies use "another" high-speed internet, intranet, and other secured and unavailable to the Average Joe user.

The internet we know, is only the vestibule of the building. We haven't even been inside and we think that's all that exists, and it isn't.

They are just sending up a signal-flare where they are, who they are, and eventually, they will be captured.

Spy vs Spy. It's easy to make it seem that faceless hackers are doing things by doing this, but in reality, they are figments of the imagination of the public.

Let them release information, emails, or other data, that is freely out-there on the "internet," and repackage it and sell it as something great; and the public buys the same crap, over and over.

It's actually funny, but when you realize it for what it is, it's really sad and pathetic.

I hope people wise-up and use their brains instead of their rear-ends, to think.

YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD DEAD CENTER MOD!
YOURE RIGHT...thank you!

Originally posted by Maxmars
It seems like people are so willing to accept that the governments of the world can shut down the internet, or cripple our free speech online.

That is simply not possible. Many millions require the presence of the internet to function productively in society. The rich got richer installing the infrastructure to serve their desire to reach their "consumers" (the source of all wealth). They cannot give that up and survive... unless they turn to totalitarianism, which history has demonstrated repeatedly, does not work. Humans make terrible slaves, they always end up free (and usually fairly pissed off.)

People think that what Anonymous is doing can qualify as "terror."

It is not terror; it is criminal, but not terror. Dissent and Civil Disobedience will always be criminal. Standing governments, by definition, must hold that line. Should you patriotically support your government against any who challenge it? Probably. Of course, the assumption is that this is your government. Is it really?

The choice to participate or not is personal.

Whatever the machinations of those masters of duplicitous compartmentalization of agendas lead to, it will not be our downfall - but it will be theirs unless they are willing to accept that they are not 'the authority' over people.

This is a newly evolved animal, digital dissent. Clearly it was not anticipated. Nor are the ruling oligarchs surrounded by those gifted enough to see what has to happen.

Anonymous, whatever that is, will not stop existing despite any efforts the establishment makes to punish the population generally. Any attempt to squelch the internet will herald the establishment's eventual ruin.

Presuming that the potential for totalitarianism to take seed exists within the body of our political clowns, which of them would survive the paradigm shift? From whom will we be taking orders, I wonder?

I am no proponent of crime as a means to bring about justice. Nor am I blind to the injustice which prevails in the halls of power. I cannot bring myself to applaud the means. I find all weapons to be, ultimately, indiscriminate. The internet as a weapon is no more discriminate than a bullet. All Anonymous has shown me is that they can communicate with those who are usually out of the reach of the common man. That much is a start.

But if it could be accomplished that way, why not any other? What makes the 'common human' so complacent? We need to change ourselves if we are to change the world, generally speaking.

All Anonymous could ever hope to accomplish is to support a popular uprising; they could never dream of 'being' the uprising and they know that. Their greatest weakness is their greatest strength, their anonymity. I suspect Anonymous is much more than a 'net' based association.

There is a vacuum between them, and someone is filling it. I'm not talking about your recruits gleefully engaging in cooperative net flooding; but those who are willing to enunciate the purpose and objectives of the idea.

Sure would like to have a word with one of them.... because the problem with revolutions is that what remains after a revolution is usually the feeding grounds of the worst kinds of people. And I'd like to know about their long-term vision; and if Anonymous is willing to cease existing should a Utopian future arrive.

edit on 14-6-2011 by Maxmars because: (no reason given)

reply to post by trekwebmaster


Of course they are NOT hacking the intranet and OFF-COURSE its just a dog and pony show in the end, BUT it could be used as an excuse by any government to make bloggers and alternative sites go out of business by banning third party cookies which are necessary for sponsored ads.

The owners of this site have devoted entire threads to explain their position, conducted polls and even setup a lobbying platform to kill this parasitic legislation before it passes and each time it was close. What more needs to be said? Its NOT the internet that is in immediate danger, because obviously the multi-national companies need it for e-commerce transactions, ITS THE FREE INTERNET!

Last time I am going to state the obvious.........

it makes me happy to see more people becoming active in order to protect their future but this most definitely is not the start of the revolution. The only way true change will come about is when the american citizenry are backed into that final corner and they have no choice but to fight. I cant imagine a any type of real revolution happening without any bloodshed... we have to water that freedom tree...
this anonymous business isn't much more that a sign of the times and a prequel of things to come. Hopefully it will do some good aside from just spreading the lulz but i honestly think it will be used to push a personal and corrupt political agenda through the "we can't let a good crisis go to waste" mentality

I am afraid everyone is way to late, the internet is officially regulated and from here on end, any and everything is monitored not that you all did not already know this right.

NSA allies with Internet carriers to thwart cyber attacks against defense firms

The National Security Agency is working with Internet providers to deploy a new generation of tools to scan e-mail and other digital traffic with the goal of thwarting cyberattacks against defense firms by foreign adversaries, senior defense and industry officials say.

The novel program, which began last month on a voluntary, trial basis, relies on sophisticated NSA data sets to identify malicious programs slipped into the vast stream of Internet data flowing to the nation’s largest defense firms. Such attacks, including one last month against Bethesda-based Lockheed Martin, are nearly constant as rival nations and terrorist groups seek access to U.S. military secrets.

www.washingtonpost.com...


As someone already posted regarding france building a super firewall for its nation...well if you read the article you will understand as to the how and why's. I guess its time to use alternative methods of connecting to the internet.

reply to post by cerebralassassins


The nsa and project echelon have existed for decades officially, yet most people are terribly ignorant and/or indifferent. Since I am a computer nerd I tend to keep up with the times and rarely get caught off-guard, but that does not make me much safer than your casual "celebrity gossip" lover...occasional dope dealer...occasional ufo blogger.

Even cointelpro is common knowledge by now....for those that have been paying attention!

Would it not be a simple solution to use a different infrastructure and create a separate communications avenue for commerce to use? While on this infrastructure you could have a forced credentialization, reducing contacts that cause negative consequences (hacks, viruses, etc).

The internet could then be left alone for communication, or pron, or whatever it is we do on the internet.

Originally posted by nightbringr

Originally posted by zookey
reply to post by Hijaqd

 

I don't care who done it, just dont put me at risk.

If they really want to help, they can wipe out everybodies debts.

edit on 14-6-2011 by zookey because: (no reason given)

Please hold off on the last suggestion for about 2 weeks. Im currently trying to buy a new Ferrari, jetski and a vacation home in the Ozarks.

All on credit of course.

The plan is not to erase people's debts but to prove and show how truly vulnerable that they are. No personal credit card, home mortgage debt will be erased.

You want a Ferrari go for an 328 GTB that can be had for about $35,000 now and about $15,000 a year in annual expenses alone.