Jobs council to Obama: Here's how to create one million jobs quickly

Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by neo96
you wanna create jobs then understand this:

why is it cheaper to have a product made 10,000 miles away and shipped here than to have the same product make 1 mile away from where you live?

those are bad ideas op.


the answer to that question is:governement.

so i guess your idea is to pay 300 dollars a month to american workers and no benefits, that's what chinese workers get on average...yeah that will make us competitive, but that's what business wants.

Thats absolutely what they want. They want to put the average American worker on a level playing field with the rest of the developing worlds essentially impoverished labor force. They pretend this will be good for us, because this will bring the jobs back.

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


Neo's answer is that we should get paid like the communists,

But he and his fellow free market thinkers are not communists?

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Negative on that one. Why? So these folks can come here then disappear? just what we need....more folks who dont live here to come and drain us dry.

Originally posted by poet1b
• Make it easier for foreign tourists to obtain visas to travel to the US.

Drain us dry????

2007 the number of international tourists had climbed to over 56 million people who spent $122.7 billion dollars, setting an all time record.

In the US, tourism is either the first, second or third largest employer in 29 states, employing 7.3 million in 2004, to take care of 1.19 billion trips tourists took in the US in 2005.

en.wikipedia.org...

Over a 100 Billion in annual revenue and employing near 10 Million.

I am sure the xenophobic rhetoric of viewing all foreignors as leeches will win the day though. Emotional arguments sell better and we can always blame the bad economy on whoever the political-hate flavor of the year is.

Who needs money and jobs anyways.

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
How to create jobs 101

The Federal Government needs to do the following...

1) cut corporate and payroll taxes in half (at a minimum)

2) give tax breaks/incentives to employers

3) stop over-regulating

4) domestic energy production (drill baby drill)

5) Get the hell out of the way

All of the above was done ad Nuaseum during the Bush administration. How did that work out?

A financial industry happily running ponzi schemes, the greatest financial crisis since the Great Depression and the worlds largest oil spill gushing for months. Not to mention a rocketing disparity of income and wealth which sucks for any economy. Consumers can't consume without money.

This concept of trickle-down has never, ever, ever worked and done just the opposite of it's declared purpose.

Corporations do not hire when they are given more money. They hire when there is a healthy consumer class that has money to buy their products.

Factories do not open because corporations have money to spend, they open when there is over-sized demand for the product the corporation creates.

DEMAND drives companies to expand. The rest is rhetoric so politicians can pay off their wealthy corporate backers in the form of less regulation, tax breaks and subsidies. A HEALTHY MIDDLE CLASS IS THE ONLY ROAD TO RECOVERY.

Why do you guys think U.S workers would have to compete with Chinese wages? Back when U.S workers were competing with Taiwanese workers that made ``slave`` wages, U.S workers wage rates stayed three times as high as theirs. On top of that some things that are made in China are still made in the U.S and the U.S workers the make them don't make ``slave`` wages.

Pretty soon the U.S will be a completely service sector economy. Then when we will dependent on China for our basic goods, they will basically control us. That wouldn't be good.

So what do we do? Throw up a bunch of trade barriers? IMHO that wouldn't be good, since trade barriers only impoverish and if we put up trade barriers they will most likely stop trade with us too. Then we would not have that entire market to sell to.

This current system of trade just can't work. The U.S still manufactures some things, but the problem is that we don't ``export`` enough because not many people can afford what we make and that is caused by govt intervention via the fed and other central banks. Chinese citizens don't benefit from this in anyway, but it does benefit the CCP and the entrepreneurs they ``allow`` to produce there. The CCP devalues their currency to make their goods cheaper on the U.S market, allowing U.S citizens to buy cheap Chinese products. This is why, Chinese workers are trapped in poverty and thankfully this isn't sustainable.

Which is why we will soon have a massive international depression, if we aren't already in one. The dollar is over-valued, and the RMB is ``under-valued`` keeping purchasing power artificially low and suppressing real wages. They created artificial and unsustainable comparative advantages. If the CCP stopped subsidizing Americans, through devaluing their currency and suppressing wages Chinese citizens would have more money and greater purchasing power to by U.S goods, giving American manufacturing a chance to expand again.

Four easy steps to instant job creation as well as cutting the Federal Budget:

1) Four year moratorium on personal income tax with the option to make it permanent. This frees up more disposable income of the individuals and business's matching contributions. Money that will be spent in long held off purchases, investing in the markets and the opening and development of small businesses.

2) Stop Federal funding of colleges and universities via student admissions and instead fund trade schools. Higher education is a business first and foremost. By forcing these businesses to compete on affordable tuition rates and make business decisions about course offerings, it will end the diploma mill mentality of the 20th century and make higher education the commodity it should be. Pumping out 5 million lawyers and engineers per year with the same funding as MBA's is not a wise corporate decision when there is little room for the annual growth in any of those fields.

3) Free Trade Agreements are not conducive to American workers. If US based businesses wish to operate overseas for cheaper labor then fine. But the American workers should not have to be sacrificed to third world wages. Tariff the imported goods to encourage local hiring and therefore boosting the local economy. Detroit should not look like a bombed out city just because the workers in Windsor, Canada save GM $5 an hour per laborer and ask for government bailouts to keep the doors open.

4) Stricter guidelines on government oversight. The Constitution holds that both Houses of Congress are responsible for their own, yet when problems occur with poor moral choices befitting of a representative of the people, drafting and passing of Unconstitutional and questionable legislation, unmonitored spending and bribes in the guise of campaign contributions (this list goes one and on); and nothing is done about it. Then there is a serious problem. Simple solution here is nip problems in the bud or execute every last one when one gets out of line. And by that I mean, every elected and appointed official in the Federal government. The idea being that you might excuse a fellow members indiscretions when it doesn't matter to you. But if you are not going to let another member slide if it means your neck for doing so. That is true accountability. It won't keep all the criminals and power mongers out, but it will cut them down some.

Originally posted by Ahabstar
3) Free Trade Agreements are not conducive to American workers. If US based businesses wish to operate overseas for cheaper labor then fine. But the American workers should not have to be sacrificed to third world wages. Tariff the imported goods to encourage local hiring and therefore boosting the local economy. Detroit should not look like a bombed out city just because the workers in Windsor, Canada save GM $5 an hour per laborer and ask for government bailouts to keep the doors open.

This is the one that resonates with me and I am a Free-Trade/Open Markets advocate!

Open markets and free trade are good for the American economy as long as the playing field is level and it certainly is not.

China is not a free market despite reforms. They may be capitalistic in many regards, but they are still communist/authoritarian. They have no issue with child labor and government financed economic warfare. The government routinely and significantly funds manufacturing efforts to undermine American businesses.

We are quick to go to war with countries that are oppressing their citizenry, but with China's human rights violations we simply occassionaly mumble...uhh...we don't like that...and get back to business.

Tariffs until the playing field is level. No trade with countries whose governments consistenatly run businesses at a loss to erode us markets. No trade with countries that employ child/slave labor. Free trade? Awesome, but only if everyone plays by the same rules, until then we need to throw around whatever economic weight we have left before it is too late.

BTW - that goes for US manufacturers that exploit child labor abroad. They should be financially penalized.

I don't mind other countries doing it cheaper, just as long as they are not employing slave or child labor or operating at a loss subsidized by their government.