Jobs council to Obama: Here's how to create one million jobs quickly

reply to post by neo96


And you don't see the connection between corporate money and the bought and paid for politicians who run on the free market con job?

Sounds like a cheap excuse to hide from the reality that free market ideology is nothing but communism, a con job that you bought into that has destroyed our economy.

Rather than admit that something you deeply believed in is wrong, you choose to cling to straws.

reply to post by poet1b


the denial of reality is the same things as the "free market con job"

free market means free market and that means no intereference.

the communism here is taking control over the free market which is why we are where we are.

clinging to straws is regulating something to non existence.

case in point this country today.

reply to post by inforeal


Sorry Info, I guess I misunderstood.

Anyone paying attention should see that Germany's approach is far more stable.

Here is the bigger situation, with our productivity being double what it was fifty years ago, when a guy working a regular job could support a family, with the mom staying at home to take care of the kid, then in our current times, the same guy should be able to work half the number of hours and support the same family.

What the Germans are doing is job sharing. People work less hours and take far more vacations, and yet maintain the same standards of living.

We could live the same way here if it wasn't for the rigged monetary system that fleeces people, combined with mass illegal immigration that grossly cuts wages.

It is insane how people continue to cling to the free market ideology that has failed time and time again.

reply to post by Equinox99


Concept #1 - "Form business partnerships with community colleges to train more workers for today's open jobs." Isn't giving money to anybody.

Concept #2 - "Streamline permitting processes to speed more construction projects. Council members Jeff Immelt of General Electric and Ken Chenault of American Express said some simple steps could achieve this goal "without undercutting the protections that our regulatory system provides." " Is doable, but the last part is a bit tricky. Of course, soon as they get another free market pol into office, they will stop enforcing all regs again, and destroy a lot of good things, but that will happen anyway.

Concept #3 - "Make it easier for foreign tourists to obtain visas to travel to the US. " Should only be allowed if a good system is put into place to prevent the hiring of illegals, and a tough penalty system for those who abuse the system. If we can track income tax, we can track illegal workers. Those who say differently are just con artists.

Concept #4 - "Help small employers get more loans with help from the Small Business Administration." Can work very well, but once again, there must be good oversight. This stuff has worked in the past, and can be made to work again.

Concept #5 - "Help construction workers pick up their tools again with a campaign to upgrade commercial and government buildings for energy efficiency. Obama also touted this so-called Better Buildings Initiative Monday while visiting Cree, a maker of energy-efficient lighting in Durham, after the jobs council meeting." I think this is an excellent idea all around. It needs to be done, and will have a very positive long term impact. We have a great many start up companies in building efficiency and alternative energy sources. Such an effort would go a long ways towards expanding these markets.

If we can't do this stuff, then how did we ever succeed as a nation? How did we build the Interstate system?

The people telling you this can't be done are the people who don't want it done. They don't want to see a revival of the middle class. Their loyalty belongs to the ICs, not the U.S.. They are the same people who tell you that you are slaves. Don't believe their lies.

reply to post by neo96

free market means free market and that means no intereference.

There is no such thing as "no interference". It is a fantasy.

There is no such thing as a "free market". There never has been, and there never will be. You have been suckered into one false ideology, "communism" in conflict with another false ideology, "free markets". Neither exits, they are both unrealistic fantasies. That you must express it this way should clue you in to this. \

Communism is a straw man.

Clinging to straws is believing in this straw man argument.

As far as regulations are concerned, history has clearly shown that our economy does far better when properly regulated. See the 60ties and the 90ties.

Our current economic situation is due to a failure to regulate on behalf of the GW admin, which lead to wide spread white collar crime.

Face the facts. Embrace the truth.

reply to post by IamJustanAmerican



People drawing unemployment is not the problem.

There are NOT enough jobs out there, period. Yeah, kick people off unemployment, then those lazy people will finally get a job. That works, IF and ONLY if there are actually jobs available for those people. Right now, there aren't. Anyone that is paying attention to the job market knows there is nothing out there right now. And the few jobs that do exist, have hundreds, if not thousands of people applying to them.

Anyway,

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One step is to stop companies from outsourcing jobs. America used to be a manufacturing powerhouse. It's nothing now. It's powerhouse of consumption and drains the wealth of the American people overseas, and into the pockets of banks and corporations.

You want to know what the MAJOR problem is? The huge gap in wages between those at the bottom of the totem pole, and those at the top. Look at the numbers, the gap in wages has grown exponentially. THIS is the main reason the economy is in the toilet. If only a few people have money, and those people just sit on it, then nothing happens, which is exactly what we are seeing right now.

Everyone wants to blame the government or people on welfare, when the real issue is a CEO making THOUSANDS of times more than the lowest paid worker for that company.

How about we put a law in place that says the highest paid employee of a company can not make any more than 20 times the lowest paid worker. They pay the lowest paid worker 10 dollars an hour, the highest paid worker gets 200 dollars an hour. Oh but no, you can't do that, that's communism or socialism. Really? Why is it that our country right NOW is mirroring actual communist states? What I mean by that, is look at past and present communist countries. What do you see? A few people who are rich beyond belief, and everyone else lives in poverty. THAT is where we are going, and the only way to stop it, is to stop the huge gap of wealth.

Do it, make it so that a company's highest paid employee can only make 20x the lowest paid, and I can guarantee you that the economy would start roaring withing months, because there would actually be money flowing in the economy again, because people will actually have money again.

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime

Originally posted by watcher3339

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
reply to post by poet1b

 

None of the above are good ways to create jobs. The fact that Government creates jobs in the first place is a myth. Jobs and economic growth are created in the private sector. The public sector destroys wealth, because the public sector requires money from the private sector in order to function.

How to create jobs 101

The Federal Government needs to do the following...

1) cut corporate and payroll taxes in half (at a minimum)

2) give tax breaks/incentives to employers

3) stop over-regulating

4) domestic energy production (drill baby drill)

5) Get the hell out of the way

As a life long Republican the last few years have been hard. Your number 3 is the reason. If better regulations had been in place we wouldn't be where we are now. Wall Street and the Rich don't care who makes thier products as long as somebody does and somebody buys them. They do not care about the standard of living of Americans. I would like my country back...from them.

Wall Street and the bankers have nothing to do with company "X" being able to afford production in the United States, but high corporate and payroll taxation does, forced unionization does, and over regulating how to produce a product because it has to be "green" does. Right now businesses are sitting on whatever money they have because they are uncertain about what the future holds, and they aren't hiring or expanding as a consequence. Right now our Government and businesses are in a "Mexican" standoff, waiting to see what the other is going to do. Obama Care is the other reason businesses aren't hiring, because they don't know what their health care costs will be in the near future.

The regulation that you are talking about is different than the kind I am talking about. You are talking about financial regulation, I am talking about regulation that says what kind of this, that, and the other you have to use or you will be heavily fined (EPA, OSHA, etc...)

I would suggest that what determines whether a country can "afford" production in the U.S. is Standard of Living.
In a country with a low standard of living the wages are less so the end result is a less expensive product. Also, the types of regulations like safety and environment very much go to standard of living. In developing countries they frequently have sub standard for both. It's cheaper. And the worker who gets injured or the town where the water is polluted and people get sick...well, oh well.

As long as we (The American Consumer) continues to purchase cheap goods made over seas: those goods will continue to be made there. End of story. And I freely admit I am guilty of it.

The Standard of Living in the developed world is about to go into the crapper. I think this whole global economy thing was a bad idea for everybody but the international level banker players.

Originally posted by poet1b
It looks like thee are some possibilities for Obama to take action to create more jobs without congress getting involved. This is something that needs to be done, because all evidence seems to indicate that Congress is only concerned with destroying the U.S. economy and the middle class and working class, since repubs have taken over.

www.csmonitor.com...

RECOMMENDED: US job market: Four ways to cut the unemployment rate

Obama didn't offer any major policy announcements after meeting Monday with his Council on Jobs and Competitiveness in Durham, N.C. But the council's proposals include:

• Form business partnerships with community colleges to train more workers for today's open jobs.

• Streamline permitting processes to speed more construction projects. Council members Jeff Immelt of General Electric and Ken Chenault of American Express said some simple steps could achieve this goal "without undercutting the protections that our regulatory system provides."

• Make it easier for foreign tourists to obtain visas to travel to the US.

• Help small employers get more loans with help from the Small Business Administration.

• Help construction workers pick up their tools again with a campaign to upgrade commercial and government buildings for energy efficiency. Obama also touted this so-called Better Buildings Initiative Monday while visiting Cree, a maker of energy-efficient lighting in Durham, after the jobs council meeting.

These sound like good ideas, and it looks like Obama is going to follow those recommendations.

washingtonexaminer.com...

www.thestreet.com...

This is the kind of news I like to read.

Forming a business partnership with community colleges to help train more people to fill jobs that are currently available does NOT create new jobs. Nor does it work for shrinking unemployment. There are MANY people out of work with college degrees that can't find jobs.... Where are these available jobs? If they are available, why don't the people who are unemployed get picked up by these people?

They can't, because they virtually do not exist.

Make it easier for tourists to get visas? Never gonna happen as that is contrary to the terror mandates -- that would be sacrificing "national security" by their definition, so -- yeah, no chance that is gonna get done either.

Help small businesses get more loans??? Sure why not -- they are struggling enough as it is... lets create MOAR debt for them... Sounds like it fits perfectly with the agenda that small business is evil. The most likely scenario is, they will get approved for these loans, business WON'T pick up, and they will default ultimately shutting them down in the long run, if not faster. How could this help? It just makes NO sense.

As for the better business initiative.... how the hell are they gonna pay for it? They can't, because we can't afford to upgrade the infrastructure of all these governmental buildings.... If commercial buildings are really to be expected, are we supposed to believe they are going to want to foot the bill for something they don't believe they require? No. They won't, so the only way it will happen is if it's through government grants and such, which means it's coming out of the budget, that we can't afford.

The only good suggestion is streamlining the permit process... and you know, if that gets done, it won't actually preserve the regulations in place now -- even if they say it will. All things considered though, America is CRAZY about it's permits... that needs to get done one way or the other... but I still think Obeezy won't do # about it.


I think it's a news topic designed to create an uplifted emotional response to the general public... something to just get their hopes up to raise approval ratings.


I mean, seriously -- those are pretty universally garbage ideas to stimulate economics... They know they can't do it, so them making these kinds of press releases is kind of like the smoking gun... no?

Originally posted by James1982
reply to post by IamJustanAmerican

 

People drawing unemployment is not the problem.

There are NOT enough jobs out there, period. Yeah, kick people off unemployment, then those lazy people will finally get a job. That works, IF and ONLY if there are actually jobs available for those people. Right now, there aren't. Anyone that is paying attention to the job market knows there is nothing out there right now. And the few jobs that do exist, have hundreds, if not thousands of people applying to them.

Anyway,

.
One step is to stop companies from outsourcing jobs. America used to be a manufacturing powerhouse. It's nothing now. It's powerhouse of consumption and drains the wealth of the American people overseas, and into the pockets of banks and corporations.

You want to know what the MAJOR problem is? The huge gap in wages between those at the bottom of the totem pole, and those at the top. Look at the numbers, the gap in wages has grown exponentially. THIS is the main reason the economy is in the toilet. If only a few people have money, and those people just sit on it, then nothing happens, which is exactly what we are seeing right now.

Everyone wants to blame the government or people on welfare, when the real issue is a CEO making THOUSANDS of times more than the lowest paid worker for that company.

How about we put a law in place that says the highest paid employee of a company can not make any more than 20 times the lowest paid worker. They pay the lowest paid worker 10 dollars an hour, the highest paid worker gets 200 dollars an hour. Oh but no, you can't do that, that's communism or socialism. Really? Why is it that our country right NOW is mirroring actual communist states? What I mean by that, is look at past and present communist countries. What do you see? A few people who are rich beyond belief, and everyone else lives in poverty. THAT is where we are going, and the only way to stop it, is to stop the huge gap of wealth.

Do it, make it so that a company's highest paid employee can only make 20x the lowest paid, and I can guarantee you that the economy would start roaring withing months, because there would actually be money flowing in the economy again, because people will actually have money again.

Politics don't work like that though... see, the people who are paying themselves thousands of times more than their bottom rate employees are the ones donating these hefty amounts of money to the campaigns of these so called politicians.

We know that you are right about the origin of the problem... it's still the governments fault however, for it is they, themselves -- that encourage this behaviour. They don't want to stop it, because if they did, it would mean the end of the free money train as they know it...

You know the statement that says... "If I can't have it, nobody should?" Yeah, rings true in D.C. If the CEOs can't have their enormous wages, then the politicians can't have their enormous contributions... Hence the existence of lobbyism. Lobbying for law should be illegal. Lobbying with money, should be illegal. What it boils down to is prostitution of law, they essentially purchase policy with this enormous wages, which lines the pockets of the politicians with gold.

Having any economic system that is not automatic = slavery. Having class divides equals slavery.

If I don't have the freedom to leave florida because I can't afford to, because Florida has ran us broke, whilst a rich person has the freedom to go where he pleases proves that we aren't all "equal." Having a class based economy practically ensures the people in the lowerclasses are slaves to the upper class. You wonder why these banksters don't go to jail, yet that guy who stole from a .99 cent store is being prosecuted as a felony theft, the reason is -- the guys stealing from the .99 cent store is broke and can't afford to purchase his freedom.

As long as the world is based on class structured economics there will always be war, famine, disease, and stupidity. What really needs to happen is a breakthrough in free energy, when that happens we can automate all professions and leave money behind...

If everything was free, and everything was made without the effort of man, then everyone would be free to live how they choose...


Then and only then, is true freedom achieved, then and only then, will there finally be peace. (Money causes greed, greed causes power, power causes corruption. Every.Time.)

Originally posted by neo96
you wanna create jobs then understand this:

why is it cheaper to have a product made 10,000 miles away and shipped here than to have the same product make 1 mile away from where you live?

those are bad ideas op.


the answer to that question is:governement.

Exactly. If government didnt subsidize the cost of transportation of those goods, they wouldn't be affordable.

Also, if American understood the value of keeping money in the local economy, instead of saving a few pennies at a mega store.

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
Your claim that the money ends up in the hands of bankers is nothing more than a MSM

I'd be interested in seeing the data you base that statement on.

thanks in advance!

Sure... turn your TV on. you're welcome.

THAT's the best you can come up it to back up your claim?

I'm staring to think maybe you dont know what you are talking about...

reply to post by poet1b


OH, I thought that his solution to solving the economic crisis was getting rid of all of the ATM machines, airport kiosks and automated car washes. Maybe he'll also get a program going to reinstate the elevator man who can press your button for you, the same way they have in the Capital building in DC.

The more this gent speaks about jobs the scarier it gets.

It is really hard, when you believed in something, to admit that it is wrong.

Second line.

Originally posted by dolphinfan
reply to post by poet1b

 

OH, I thought that his solution to solving the economic crisis was getting rid of all of the ATM machines, airport kiosks and automated car washes. Maybe he'll also get a program going to reinstate the elevator man who can press your button for you, the same way they have in the Capital building in DC.

The more this gent speaks about jobs the scarier it gets.

Oh yeah. Don't forget to inflate your tires to their proper air pressure level.
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Oh that will be the next big - job creator -.
Back in 1955 when you pulled up to a gas station 5 guys came running out to clean your
wind shield, fill your gas tank and check your oil level.
Job Council 2011 - Great ideas.......Outlaw all self-serve gas stations!
All gas stations must be Full Serve !
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Obama has no idea what to do about the terrible U.S. economy.

Is it time to - wag the dog - and drop a bomb on Pakistan?

reply to post by Eurisko2012


I keep hearing this type of reply more and more from those on your side of the debate, who support free markets and hate Obama, even though he has done nothing wrong but take on the most difficult job on the planet.

Do you really think nothing can be done? That we should all give up, and quit fighting for our liberties, decent pay, representation in government?

So your position is that all is lost? Just do as they say. Give up. Quit fighting.

That is the cry of a loser.

Man up, face the reality that free market policies put all the power into the hands of the bankers, who are the biggest crooks, and the biggest recipients of corporate welfare. This is obvious beyond denial at this point.

It is very hard to face the reality, that something you believed in deeply is wrong, but when all evidence points to this reality, that is what quality people do.

You mean,
Here's how to employ 1 million illegle aliens quickly.

Originally posted by poet1b
It looks like thee are some possibilities for Obama to take action to create more jobs without congress getting involved. This is something that needs to be done, because all evidence seems to indicate that Congress is only concerned with destroying the U.S. economy and the middle class and working class, since repubs have taken over.

www.csmonitor.com...

RECOMMENDED: US job market: Four ways to cut the unemployment rate

Obama didn't offer any major policy announcements after meeting Monday with his Council on Jobs and Competitiveness in Durham, N.C. But the council's proposals include:

• Form business partnerships with community colleges to train more workers for today's open jobs.

• Streamline permitting processes to speed more construction projects. Council members Jeff Immelt of General Electric and Ken Chenault of American Express said some simple steps could achieve this goal "without undercutting the protections that our regulatory system provides."

• Make it easier for foreign tourists to obtain visas to travel to the US.

• Help small employers get more loans with help from the Small Business Administration.

• Help construction workers pick up their tools again with a campaign to upgrade commercial and government buildings for energy efficiency. Obama also touted this so-called Better Buildings Initiative Monday while visiting Cree, a maker of energy-efficient lighting in Durham, after the jobs council meeting.

These sound like good ideas, and it looks like Obama is going to follow those recommendations.

washingtonexaminer.com...

www.thestreet.com...

This is the kind of news I like to read.

Its time for Obamatrons to throw in the towel on this treasury raping, war mongering, economy trashing, job killing, NWO lackey, puppet.

Even with little bush being a complete idiot who couldn't get two things in a row right. We would have been better off with him still in office.

7 Million jobs lost and growing by the day, on the Obama watch. Time to kick him to the curb.

reply to post by randyvs


That was the policy of the GW admin.

Only complete and total suckers can continue to deny that it was GW and the free market pols who opened the flood gate to illegal immigration.

Some people choose to remain ignorant, rather than face reality.

reply to post by Shadowalker


You seriously want to pretend that Obama is responsible for the result of 8 years of failed free market policies under GW?

In your post, you choose to embrace ignorance.

Why?

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by randyvs

 

That was the policy of the GW admin.

Only complete and total suckers can continue to deny that it was GW and the free market pols who opened the flood gate to illegal immigration.

Some people choose to remain ignorant, rather than face reality.

There was actually no gate to open. But as far as an administration completely inviting them in ? There is no other.
And certainly no arguement that would with stand the slightest in scrutiny. They did everything but drop leafletts.