You people do know that these "Aliens" or "UFOs" are in reality demonic spirits?

reply to post by HolyandClean


I still don't see your evidence, all you really did was a "this guy said this so its truth" thing :/

My apologise for calling you a christain, i made the assumption as you quoted text from the bible.
I still think that refering to the bible is'nt the way to go about disproving aliens though.

Originally posted by MobSaget
How did i know this guy would bring religion into this..

Um.....I would think that was obvious, considering the title of the post, and the theory the OP presents. How could religion NOT come into a discussion of demons? That's rather the point, after all.

reply to post by HolyandClean


Demons are very much real as angles or how ever one chooses to describe both of those energy outputs. The fact remains that at some point either within this dimension or another one will be called upon to choose a side, there is no escaping it there is no way out of it. Our advance in technology is and has not been achieved only by natural evolution. The branding of our species is the ultimate prize within the cosmos. To those who have repeatedly asked why haven't other species made themselves known, well in short, those species who are currently "visiting" earth are one the most feared species amongst the thousand's of other species. They simply do not want to get involved on a scale of earths level as the stakes are to high even for far more advanced species. Countless occults, religions, so called children of god and everything else in any written language either ancient/biblical/modern all point to one common factor. We are simply not alone and it wont be getting any better.

check out these ancient ´alien´ near the skinwalker ranch..scarry

www.skinwalkerranch.org...

Originally posted by anti72
check out these ancient ´alien´ near the skinwalker ranch..scarry



www.skinwalkerranch.org...

Nothing scary about it ...

Originally posted by spacemanjupiter
*snip*You don't have to be religious to realize these things and saying Jesus isn't going to make them go away. *snip*
If you want logical explanations that have more scientific explanations than 'demons', read Thomas Campbell's 'My Big TOE'(theory of everything). He experiences the non physical through out of body experiences and views everything from the perspective of a real world scientist, which is what he is. None of this silly belief system crap and silly demon stuff.*snip*

First,have personally known that one can, in fact, expel one through the name of Jesus. No visions, etc., just something unwanted gone. Take that as you will. Second, you totally reject what you call "religious" ideas, but seem to not understand what the term means. A religion is simply a belief system, and everyone has one. Some more common, some maybe unique, but we all have one. Your acceptance of a man that claims OOB experiences, which he can no more prove than I can prove to you what I have seen of Christian experiences, means that is your religion. Your beliefs that OOB is factual, and some man claiming to study his own is honest. Accepting that, and rejecting outright any other beliefs, isn't really logical. Besids which, accounts I have read of OOB and things like remote viewing always seem to come around to encounters with shadowy, frightening, unfriendly beings. Be fair, now.

Question for all those convinced that flesh and blood space creatures are visiting us for proctoligical exams in the middle of the night.

Can you cite any aspects of this phenomina that are substantively different from the age old reports of various paranormal phenomina?

reply to post by Fatgoblin


1. I never said It keeps people from being abducted, for the last time I SAID I HEARD IT WORKS. 2. I have tried but some people are too stubborn 3. I wasn't "bumming" around the internet I just wanted to check ATS before going to bed but then I decided to stay up so I can go to bed when my fiancée gets off of work and fall asleep with him. I don't have a high horse, this is the first forum I made a comment on tonight plus you are just going on your own thoughts, you never know, what I fist said could have helped someone. I'm also not the only person to make a comment about religion yet you only want to comment my posts. 4. I wasn't aware you were making fun of me I just thought you were very moronic. You really didn't hurt my feelings at all, I'm sorry you tried so hard but A for effort? 5. I don't get offended by what anyone says on the internet.It's the internet, it has Trolls and 14 year olds trying to act tough. I think I get out plenty but hey I could be wrong maybe only having the time to get on the internet late at night does mean I need to get out more. Has that percentage actually been tested? If so I must not be one of them because I never got my certificate. I don't know about you but I don't submit to a ghost or "revolve [my] [life] "around a book full of nauseating garbage" nor do I think most people on ATS do either but then again I could be wrong, I haven't asked them. If you don't like ATS then why are you on here? If I didn't like a web site I wouldn't visit it that just seems like the logical thing to do.

Originally posted by SamTGonzalez
...it offers no reliable sources, is based purely on opinion, and is what I consider a "rant".

Kinda like your post?

I believe there are many, many things that go on which would scare us. I believe in the classical "Aliens" aliens. I don't think they're demonic. Then I believe there very well may be spirits/demonic entities some people believe are aliens.

Several things stood out to me. Like when they say, "Why would a highly advanced species come, probe and hurt you but say they're here to help?". Put it in this perspective: You see a cat who has fallen into a cactus and is covered in cactus needles. You want to help, but you can't help without hurting the animal more. Just picking the cat up will hurt it. Not to mention the needles you pull off of it. The cat doesn't understand why you're doing this to him, he might think you're just hurting him for no reason.

When an advanced species takes contact with us, they may do things that seem down right evil to us because we simply do not understand. We don't comprehend their way of thinking, much like a cat covered in cactus needles can't comprehend our way of thinking.

I'm a religious person, but I hate mixing UFO's and demons together because I just don't believe they're the same. Like I mentioned previously, a lot of demons may be mistaken for UFO's/Alien's and vice versa.

reply to post by HolyandClean


Think this thread might help

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by HolyandClean

 

But the bible says that God created man in his own image. Following this logic, do you really think that God is so short-sighted to only seed one planet? I would think that God is a BIG picture entity.

We may very well have more in common with ET's than most realize.

I think we are possibly misinterpreting the meaning.
"...in God's image", she/he, "GOD", is a Creator.
We're creators. In that spirit. Freedom has responsibility though.

But aliens are like people on a crowded street. You will find most will seem to be nice in general, and, you will never see the really nice ones. They know not to come in at crucial times like this when we have to prove our mettle to ourselves. Or, crumble into squalor and a plague upon our planet, all life and living systems of the planet, and more probably ourselves.

So that can mean that a "creator" is any self-conscious being with free will who consciously creates, and, maybe not destroy so much.

Who cares what it/she/he looks like. Whether its intelligent goo on the ice of Europa, or your uncle Gortfinkle. The division in this particular universe, seems to be a polarity of Destruction VS Creation.
So, I guess we can pick a favorite side, (and any flavor you dig I would think), or... simply, eventually be destroyed. So, pick a flavor. Even vanilla is a choice. There are as many flavors as there are people, at the very least.

I think we 'can' call some aliens demons as a characterization. But aliens are not just space faring humanoids. Don't forget uncle goo. There are dimensional, spiritual and ascendancy. Most of nature seems to be at peace and in tune to itself. That seems intelligent to me. So what's mans problem?

ZG

reply to post by HolyandClean


OP I agree with you entirely. I am so sick of hearing those on ATS spouting 'disinformation', 'there is no proof whatsoever that aliens are demons' - and yet there are researchers such as Joe Jordan from CE-4, former MUFON researcher who has over 400 documented cases of alien abduction being halted by the name of jesus. What information exactly is being covered up here? That there is hope, that those who are abductees go through demonic ordeals which however can be stopped? why would you want to cover that up? ATS is supposed to be a place where you all accept information of conspiracies - well what I am about to tell you is so real that you can experience this for yourself.

Unless you have ever had an 'alien' abduction experience you will not understand the sheer terror these victims of spiritual warfare go through. To say that having a relationship with jesus will do nothing to those experiencing alien abduction and wanting it to stop is as far as i am concerned a cover up when you know it can be.

You say to be open minded here on ATS - then why don't you except this evidence that has been brought to the table that abductions are actually being stopped - these demons are STOPPED in their tracks when the abductee has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

If there are any abductees out there and you are afraid and want it to stop, then I am going to tell you exactly how. Come to know the lord and see what happens when you cry for help from Jesus when these demons are about to attack you at night. You do not have to feel afraid at all, these beings are all smoke and mirrors - they are powerless against Jesus. Do you know they actually run away, trip all over themselves and cannot even touch you they are that afraid when you are filled with the holy spirit? I am holy spirit filled and I was under attack when i was young, but because I knew the lord at a very young age nothing happened to me because i did not believe the lie. People like Betty andreasson who claim to be christian and an abductee are false prophets. The lord has actually shown me that these beings are going to decieve many in the end times, especially christians - I mean churches even deny what is happening with alien abduction. I have been told to trust in Him, his name in which every knee shall bow in heaven, earth and under the earth. if you are under attack, meaning you are an abductee, you see what happens and that is undeniable proof of what these 'beings' are.

Better yet look up Joe's CE-4 site.

The time is near and the line is being drawn OP. It is good to see there are people like you on here spreading truth.

Originally posted by HolyandClean

Originally posted by SamTGonzalez
I know I'm gonna sound like a huge troll for posting this, but seriously.. Demonic spirits? I find this extremely ignorant. It's hard for me to take these claims seriously. Just because life is extraterrestrial and foreign to us does not make it "demonic". The statement you made is one that is illogical and derived from your fear of the unknown. I suggest that the mods move this thread to a different forum. Although this is a UFO/ET related post, it offers no reliable sources, is based purely on opinion, and is what I consider a "rant".

How long have you been studying this? Be honest. Don't lie. I have 2 years under my belt, remember, my purpose was to DEBUNK these claims.

2 years? and you have no substantial evidence to prove they aren't human and that they're demonic? How could you not debunk this? lol.

Originally posted by AliceDiggory
reply to post by Fatgoblin

 

1. I never said It keeps people from being abducted, for the last time I SAID I HEARD IT WORKS.

And I've heard from my aunt that leaving a bathroom slipper overturned at night will bring me bad luck. Helpful? I think not. More like ridiculous and ignorant.

2. I have tried but some people are too stubborn

Touche

3. I wasn't "bumming" around the internet I just wanted to check ATS before going to bed but then I decided to stay up so I can go to bed when my fiancée gets off of work and fall asleep with him.

How touching. Similarly just because I said Ezekiel might have had an orgy on a spaceship does not automatically mean I'm lonely or have no one to talk to. Assumptions assumptions. They works both ways.

I don't have a high horse, this is the first forum I made a comment on tonight plus you are just going on your own thoughts, you never know, what I fist said could have helped someone.

Kindly refer to my response to point 1 above.

I'm also not the only person to make a comment about religion yet you only want to comment my posts.

Actually I do it on a lot of threads. Your particular post just took my fancy.

4. I wasn't aware you were making fun of me I just thought you were very moronic. You really didn't hurt my feelings at all, I'm sorry you tried so hard but A for effort?

That's alright. At least I kept you up for a while longer.

5. I don't get offended by what anyone says on the internet.It's the internet, it has Trolls and 14 year olds trying to act tough.

Like I said, assumptions

I think I get out plenty but hey I could be wrong maybe only having the time to get on the internet late at night does mean I need to get out more. Has that percentage actually been tested? If so I must not be one of them because I never got my certificate.

Similarly I didn't know people who mention alien orgies are generally lonely and have no one to talk to

I don't know about you but I don't submit to a ghost or "revolve [my] [life] "around a book full of nauseating garbage" nor do I think most people on ATS do either but then again I could be wrong,

Well hang around here for a little longer and then come right back to this post.

If you don't like ATS then why are you on here? If I didn't like a web site I wouldn't visit it that just seems like the logical thing to do.

Well that's YOU. I do things differently, which might come as a shock. I have many reasons for being here. There are some interesting topics that I like to check out plus it gives me great facepalm practice.

Cheerios!

reply to post by HolyandClean


Hey there! Just wanted to say thank you for sharing info on this particular subject matter which is unfortunately dismissed almost instantaneously. I try to be as neutral as possible when it comes to these fringe topics and take in all material simply as information, not as facts or truth, and sort through that pile of info for any patterns that begin to develop. And what I see developing here corresponds exactly with the demonic/inter-dimensional theory. I actually subscribed to Xendrius' channel since he started his Conspiritus series, and even if all biblical quotes were removed, his vids contain some great food for thought.

Unfortunately, words like "demon" or "reptilian" can open the floodgates for negativity and hostility on these forms. So to be neutral, I simply believe that within this seemingly infinite universe, there exists inter-dimensional intelligences with predatory or malicious intent towards other intelligences. And by piecing together info throughout a wide spectrum, I am seeing several connections between UFO/aliens encounters and these negative spiritual forces that have been given countless of labels throughout human history. I sincerely hope this area receives the serious attention it needs.

I'm actually saddened by the negativity that's saturated throughout this thread and the topic in general. But kudos to you for being able to stay above all that BS that's been thrown your way and I hope that patient attitude stays with you throughout. Keep up the good work!

Much love.

reply to post by MaelMan82


I would say ask the beings yourself then, but I wouldn't wish on anyone to meet these beings especially if you do not have faith in the Lord because it is like saying go see that axe murder at night without a police escourt - but the only way to get undeniable proof is to experience it yourself, don't you agree?

If you have a personal relationship with Jesus like I and many other who have had experiences, we know first hand what this is all about because we live it. We have seen the enemy defeated before our eyes and therefore their true nature has been revealed to us. But for you and other who continually slander our beliefs and try disprove that Jesus actually stops abductions, well of course you think what we say is ludicrous because you have not seen it with your own eyes.

reply to post by 2x Helix


Why is demon such a bad word to use? It is the OP's belief, can he not have that belief? Furthermore it is my belief and other as well on here who are holy spirit filled. If people can make posts on aliens and believe they are what they say they are, interdimensional beings, why cannot christians believe and state what we think they are? Wolves in sheeps clothing - demons

reply to post by 2x Helix


Furthermore I am dissapointed that many of you who know the horrible ordeal people go through in so called abductions, are being handed in a silver platter the key to end them and what do you do with this information when us christians tell you? Deny it.


Like I keep saying, where exactly is the cover up? The government denying allegations ufo's exist, or new agers denying that aliens are demons and can stop their torment upon innocent abductees right now through a relationship with Jesus. And whether or not you believe this, if you knew someone who needed cure so bad for something, wouldn't you tell them about this if it would stop it?

You people do know that these "Aliens" or "UFOs" are in reality demonic spirits?,

Prove it. Good luck with that.

Originally posted by HolyandClean
Where are the UFO's when we can't see them?

A hundred years ago people didn't believe in germs because, at that time, they couldn't see them.

Originally posted by HolyandClean
40 years ago aliens told us they were from Venus,

No. People on earth CLAIMED that there were aliens on Venus or Mars or whatever.

Originally posted by HolyandClean
The evidence says they are demonic.

You haven't shown any evidence. You've quoted from an old book (the bible) while interpreting it YOUR way and assuming it was truth. You haven't given any evidence to support your claim that ETs are demons.

On the other hand - both science and the bible support the fact that aliens do indeed exist and they aren't etherial spiritual demonic beings. Science = The Drake Equation. It proves we are not alone in the universe. Bible = Nephilim. Nephilim are flesh and blood creatures and etherial demonic or angelic entities can not procreate therefore the Nephilim are offspring of aliens.

Originally posted by HolyandClean
I'M ONLY PRESENTING EVIDENCE.

No you haven't. Bible quotes are not evidence. They are just quotes of an old book that was written thousands of years ago by people who were superstitious and who didn't understand the science around them. Some of it may indeed be spiritual, but a good chunk of it is not. Quoting the bible is not evidence. Heck .. muslims quote the qu'ran, but that doesn't mean what they say is 'truth' ... right?

Originally posted by HolyandClean
Explain the reptilian looking eyes? Explain this guy eating fire? Only a demonic spirit could help a man do something like this! Only a demonic spirit could make someone's eyes look that freaky?

You seriously sound like you are a castoff from the Salem witch trials. If you traveled back in time and showed the court judges a ball point pen .. a writing instrument that didn't dip in ink ... they'd say that only the devil could do such a thing. (saw that on Bewitched) Just because YOU don't understand something, that doesn't mean that the devil is behind it.


Seriously dude ... There are aliens and there are demons and there are angels .... and there are BIG differences between them. Aliens are flesh and blood. Angels and demons are etherial and incapable of procreation. The 'angels' in the bible (which you luv to quote) are obviously flesh and blood aliens who screwed around with earth females to create the nephilim.

This isn't an "either or" thing ... there can be both aliens and demons .... and from the looks of things, there are. Just don't get them confused. Demons have no need of spacecraft and yet the sightings of spacecraft are numerous (Chicago O'hare for example).

So no .... "Aliens" or "UFOs" are NOT in reality demonic spirits.
Aliens and Demons are two different species all together.

I have to echo what has been said by others here, the word "demon" and citing bible passages as evidence was a big mistake if you were trying to get people to listen and not judge this as rubbish. If that is your belief then that is fine, but you must understand that in this forum it would appear to be a minority. Had you worded this differently, had your "demons" been "extra dimensional beings" or something similar I don't think you would have had the negative backlash that you clearly have had. Write with neutrality and no bias and I'm sure you will have more chance of being heard and without negativity and malice . It is a matter of perspective.

ZeroGhost has nailed this perfectly in my opinion, and very eloquently.

The only thing we know for sure is that we don't know anything.