You people do know that these "Aliens" or "UFOs" are in reality demonic spirits?

They are Jinns, and we have known about them for at least 1400 years now.

Don't know why you call them "demonic" spirits. They are simply beings who live in another dimension. They have the ability to shift to our dimension sometimes. They helped Solomon build his temple (no, they are not devils - only those of them who are disbelievers are devils).

They live and they die as humans do. They can be good and bad, i.e. believers and disbelievers.

Those who are disbelievers (="devils") can influence people by stimulating synapses in the brain (nodes/or knots). They can also directly show themselves in a number of visual representations.

They are created out of plasma, as Qur'an says (in relation to this: Angels are created out of light).

And no, they will not "fight agains God in Armageddon" - they can do NOTHING. God has Power over all things.

Say, "It has been revealed to me that a group of the jinn listened and said, 'Indeed, we have heard an amazing Qur'an.
It guides to the right course, and we have believed in it. And we will never associate with our Lord anyone.
...
And among us are the righteous, and among us are [others] not so; we were [of] divided ways."
- Qur'an, 72

And [mention, O Muhammad], the Day when He will gather them together [and say], "O company of jinn, you have [misled] many of mankind."... - Qur'an, 6:128

And the jinn We created before from scorching fire. - Qur'an, 15:27

I also think some of these sightings might be Jinn, some might be unknown terrestrial craft and yes, some might be alien.

We believe in aliens:

And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the living creatures that He has scattered through them. Qur'an, 42:29

reply to post by Fatgoblin


It's 4:28 am I have been up all day and night and I don't feel like arguing with anyone over the internet but what I will say is aren't we supposed to deny ignorance at least on this web site if nowhere else? We have to keep an open mind and you may not believe in Aliens or in The Bible, I don't believe in the bible fully either but at least I try to keep and open mind to everything. It's hard to 'deny ignorance' if you try to shut down what someone says because they don't feel the same way you do, you badly want to talk about weird sex orgies, you are just lonely and need someone to talk back to you, or all three.

Great post OP. If they are not from earth, it means that they are demonic. Great logic!

i'm not a religious person but i am open to this idea
i've also researched this and i think god/angels/demons is just the old name for what we call ufo's

to explain further
it seems religious people believe the "good book" (of whichever flavour they prefer) when it tells them god created everything.

and it seems to be a popular belief of alien believers that aliens created us (to mine gold or whatever) long ago

either way the idea that we just evolved seems unpopular except to the"terrance mckenna psychotropic drugs helped us" clan

regarding the bible

if you replace the word god with the word alien in the genesis story it kinda makes the first two hypotheses above meet.

but none religious people believe the bible and god is nonsense right?
but if you take on board that it is a retelling/mishmash of popular religious cults of the time - you can then find numerous consistencies between the different creation/disaster stories throughout the world and indeed throughout history.
when you stack these consistencies up and compare them to the popular hypotheses regarding this phenomenon the demonic/alien one fits best it seems

though to see this you have to shake off the programming you've received that demons make your head spin and green bile comes out etc. Or that UFO'scome from other planets (why are they never tracked on long range stuff?) and just look at the data.

i say look into this yourself - deeply - before deciding and if you haven't done this, please don't post negative comments that may sway somebody into not bothering to research this, that seems unfair.

I too don't believe in "demons" or "aliens" i believe there are "things" that have deceived us for a long long time.

reply to post by HolyandClean


There are many threads of this ilk on ATS already , is there need for another ?
HolyandClean .... you name kinda gives away your agenda .

Originally posted by annella
Here ya go! Proof that ETs are not demons. The Catholic Church says so.

....Monsignor Balducci emphasizes that extraterrestrial encounters "are NOT demonic, they are NOT due to psychological impairment, they are NOT a case of entity attachment, but these encounters deserve to be studied carefully."

ETA: Source

Vatican Demonologist: UFO's are not demonic.

edit on 13-6-2011 by annella because: (no reason given)

edit on 13-6-2011 by annella because: spelt Catholic wrong

Great post.....and from your link I quote: "The Vatican evidently understands that God would not create a vast universe and then only allow for life on one tiny speck of a planet..." unquote

Monsignor Balducci is a credible demonologist...I suggest too.... people read this link.

Originally posted by AliceDiggory
reply to post by Fatgoblin

 

It's 4:28 am I have been up all day and night and I don't feel like arguing with anyone over the internet but what I will say is aren't we supposed to deny ignorance at least on this web site if nowhere else?
We have to keep an open mind and you may not believe in Aliens or in The Bible, I don't believe in the bible fully either but at least I try to keep and open mind to everything.

So how exactly do YOU 'deny ignorance' when you have bible thumpers going full tilt on hundreds of other threads on ATS about how we're all going to die because we don't subscribe to god's book club?

It's hard to 'deny ignorance' if you try to shut down what someone says because they don't feel the same way you do

I see. So when someone says the following

'Non christians are going to hell'
'It's all the fault of the devil'
'The bible is never wrong'
'God hates homosexuals'

then I'M supposed to have an open mind? I don't see these people having an open mind about anything else so maybe you would be better off lecturing them.

you badly want to talk about weird sex orgies, you are just lonely and need someone to talk back to you, or all three.

That's ironic considering you're the one posting on ATS at 4 in the friggin morning

PS: Weird sex orgies > Sunday morning mass

Originally posted by SamTGonzalez
reply to post by SamTGonzalez

 

This post is also religously fueled, so maybe the mods should move it to the "faith" section instead.

No.... This Thread/Posts are exactly where they belong due to them being someones explaination of UFO's and what UFO's are; just as you have the opportunity to also post your ideas of what UFO's are, in the UFO section. Just because his idea of what UFO's are happens to have another category, it's the UFO's he is making head subject on.

Also, I've noticed you made a few requests for this thread to be moved as if somehow it's bothering you. Well here's an idea for you:

DON'T CLICK ON THE THREAD if it bothers you so much. But I'm sure you'll just keep going into the thread and reading it; which contradicts your actions, and keep belly aching about it; like a 6 year old not getting your way.

Move on or stop whining. Whining is irritating.

And here is another idea: Before you complain about a subject, how about doing some research on it before debunking someone when you yourself don't even know what the true phenomenon is. I happen to believe the OP after I have reasearched and read on the subject for many years.

I can't, and I am not here to, push people's belief system; but when you invite Jesus into your life and start praying and reading His Word, all kinds of insight and answers are shown to you. I've had many miracles in my life when I gave certain issues of my life to the Lord. I'm talking miracles that their is no way could happen by chance.

Lots of people push for evolution and talk bad of creation theory. Has anyone ever studied the human body? All the systems that work in unison to keep it running? All the hormones that are released at just the right time to do just the right thing to correct an imbalance in your body? It would seem to me, even if I was an unbeliever, that their was a master design incorporated. At least it makes more sense than a bunch of rocks smashing into each other and viola instant life. And if we did evolve from monkey's; why are there still monkeys? They all would have slowly evolved into humans. You can't have the end result (human), the supposed beginning source (the monkey) still here living together and then to boot, no species in between of the evoluted stages. How ridiculous does that sound?

~Noah

Originally posted by HolyandClean
Ok, someone disprove what I'm saying. Show me evidence on why you disagree with what i'm saying? 40 years ago aliens told us they were from Venus, then when we check Venus and find no life can be supported on it, they say they are from some far away galaxy, where we can't test those claims.

And a few hundred years ago people blamed Lightening and Thunder on Demons...and sickness...and pretty much everything they couldn't explain. You are doing the exact same thing. Lets assume that ALL 'aliens' said they were from Venus 40 years ago (though this is easily shown not to be true....so called 'contactees' told many different and contradictory accounts of where the 'aliens' came from)...Now they say they are from a 'far away galaxy' (again...I've read hardly any accounts of 'aliens' giving much of any useful information of where they are from..and when they do it generally doesn't agree with other abductees's stories). You're making HUGE leaps of logic here in order to incorporate a belief system based on 'evil' demons conspiring to confuse us poor earthlings into denying God...In other words you have a very complex and (to my mind) rather fanciful interpretation of the Bible. Without going into the Religious aspects of this...lets look at this logically. You are discounting COUNTLESS other possibilities, such as that these 'Abuctees' are delusional, and scam artists...or if they really are experiencing something then you are ignoring all of the myriad possibilities that present themselves. For instance, assuming the 'alien encounters' are indeed real, and yet the Aliens do indeed give contradictory information (this of course is assuming that ALL Abuductees are telling the truth, and are not delusional....because if a large percentage of them are then it would easily explain the contradictions) they could simply be a large scale psy ops experiment done by humans (the Government). Or if the 'Aliens' really are from another planet then perhaps they simply don't WANT us to know their origin!!! Perhaps they are lying to confuse us, to PROTECT THEMSELVES.....

Now I'm not suggesting that ANY of the possible solutions to the UFO mystery I just elaborated on are the true answer...I haven't even scraped the top of the surface of possible answers. To assume that you know for a fact that 'Aliens' are indeed Demons is quite an arrogant stance, in my opinion....and one based on nothing but very huge and obvious assumptions. You would seem to be ignoring quite a lot of possible solutions, in favor of one that relies on your own blind faith....I don't mean to offend you, but to be honest, such 'ignoring' is nothing more than ignorance....

The fact is this: We dont know. We may have small pieces of the puzzle but when we get right down to it all that seperates human understanding from that of say, bacteria, is the ability to speculate. Any actual proof of any belief is mostly just widely agreed upon focous's of speculation or as science would call it 'theory' or perhaps you would prefer the spiritual version 'faith'. Regardless of which approach you take (and i personally believe they are each valid) perhaps what would prove most productive would be the establish which concepts and observed phenomena can be agreed upon across the spectrum. for example: glowing orbs, they are examined and explained by each school of thought but two things seem constant across the board. 1.They do seem to exist. 2.They would seem to be possesed of some kind of intelligence. The same could be said of humans, minus the argument over who's approach is (most) accurate.

Originally posted by truth1aus
i accept ur opinion OP, on the aliens are Extra-Dimensional Beings (fallen Angels, Demons). anything can be real u have as much proof as som1 who says Aliens are from outer-space, in a galaxy far far away. i like to read everyones opinion and keep an open mind to the topic. Who actually has genuine proof ? no1

Proof I can show? No, but it's proof enough to me. Had a friend (now deceased) that said he'd been abducted, more than once. Never hypnotized, either, so it wasn't some fake case. When he visited my home once, the topic came up, and I told him what I thought (basically what the OP is stating). I then stated that, if I was right, he had nothing to fear in my house, because I DO NOT ALLOW those things into my home. He thanked me, but didn't seem to believe my idea. Until a couple of days later, that is. he came to me, and said he'd not felt so safe in years. Nothing bothered him. Coincidence? I don't think so, and he didn't, either.

Another time, had a friend that had a "ghost" issue. This nasty one would linger at the top of her stairs, and even try and shove her on occasion. Once, it went too far. After she'd bathed her baby, and was singing to him as usual, to the usual smiles and giggles, something happened. The boy looked past her, and then started screaming, terrified. She was certain that he saw something, that this ghost had scared him. Well, needless to say, I was TICKED. Told her there are ways to get rid of those things. Shortly after this, I had reason to be staying at her home for a while, and she said treat it like mine, so I did. Ordered that thing out. After that, she had NO issues with it. Not ordered out on my power, but in the name of Jesus.

So, based on personal experiences, as well as common sense, historical "coincidences", testimonies of people, and the like, I think both the "aliens" and interactive ghosts are the same thing. Demons. Can't prove that to you, but I have no doubt.

reply to post by Fatgoblin


Just because I said that I heard that praying keeps you from getting abducted and that I mentioned a guy in the bible doesn't mean I'm a 'bible thumper' and yes a lot of people don't have open minds but be the better man and keep your mind open. I deny ignorance by looking at both sides of something before saying " oh that side is right because..." I was told I could no longer be part of a church choir I was in for awhile because of my views of the bible and God. They thought I was a lesbian because I think people of the same sex should be able to marry and I had told the pastor that I don't believe everything that is in the bible and that Jesus isn't the only one true way. What does me being up at four in the morning have to do with anything other than the fact that I'm tired? I don't think that's a valid argument for you also I hope you know you can view forums on here without having to comment on every single one. I just wanted to add my two cents on this topic even if it was irrelevant . God doesn't have a "book club" and we are all going to die whether or not we are part of it. It's pathetic you have to attack some one on the internet because of their views but I pray that you lose the hate in your heart.

reply to post by HolyandClean


I have to ask this...... have you factored into your research the human condition? how historical factors and human psychology could be misinterpreted?

to make it short: yes, It is possible that ´aliens´, ´abductions´ and most of the UFO forms are demonic in nature. I, too, think it makes sense,it fits mostly into the NWO picture, too.

- luziferian/ satanic nature of NWO ´religion´
- forms reported of UFOs and flight/ appereance character
- cattle mutilation and blood subtraction
- alien abduction and probing character is NOT ´advanced´, but has deceptive, satanic character
- fits to NWO ´alien agenda´, probably future staged alien invasion´
- fits to NWO ´UFO´ tech, not alien but ours
- Crowleys ´grey´ is a good point

check out the appeareances at the skinwalker ranch where UFOs, strange transdimensional beeings and poltergeist activities were measured
www.skinwalkerranch.org...

cheers

BTW, no need to look up the bible for that...

They might be and they might not be, but if I see a blue police box. Jesus will tell me to go inside. I'm not missing my TARDIS ride for no man!

Originally posted by SamTGonzalez

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
reply to post by HolyandClean

 

S&F! Many do realize, and I hope many more will come to. Haven't watched the videos yet, but planning to. Been saying this very thing for years. Glad your search lead you to see the truth!

There are links all over the place with them. That's one reason such secret groups are so strong, and seem to have knowledge they should not be able to have. If you want some good reading (fictional) on the topic, look up a couple of books by Frank Peretti - This Present Darkness and Piercing the Darkness. Not about UFOs, but about demonic activity, and how it can affect the lives of people.

You really shouldn't encourage the OP with fictitious material. She might take this as more "proof".

Well, she would be smart to do so. I happen to agree with her; been saying the same thing (including on this site) for quite a long time now. I know it might be hard to believe, but think about it. For all of history, there have been beings that were more powerful than us, that would take people at will, interbreed with people at will, and so forth. They have been worshiped as gods, considered "monsters" of various sorts, or even called something like "fairies". Yet, there seem to be some commonalities in the tales. As stated already, abductions (read some of the old British Isle's stories), interbreeding, with the aforementioned fairies, and many of the ancient "gods", often a fascination with blood (think vampires), and usually an evil intent. Even the old Greek gods weren't very friendly to people. In another post (scroll up), I talk about some things I have personally experienced, and those aren't the only such tales. Logic dictates that these beings are all the same thing, and most accounts show that they are far from friendly. The demon label might bother you, but it's pretty accurate. At the least, look a little deeper (carefully, and don't offer ANY invitation to them), and see what you find out. Believe me; it IS important. Be warned, though; they might not appreciate it if you start seeing the truth. Be careful.

Originally posted by AliceDiggory
reply to post by Fatgoblin

 

Just because I said that I heard that praying keeps you from getting abducted and that I mentioned a guy in the bible doesn't mean I'm a 'bible thumper' and yes a lot of people don't have open minds but be the better man and keep your mind open.

I never said YOU were a bible thumper. I was referring to the hundreds of others on ATS. You tell me to deny ignorance, well that's what I'm doing when you say praying keeps people from getting abducted. Other people use a gazillion words and 10 mile long posts....I use sarcasm.

I deny ignorance by looking at both sides of something before saying " oh that side is right because..." I was told I could no longer be part of a church choir I was in for awhile because of my views of the bible and God. They thought I was a lesbian because I think people of the same sex should be able to marry and I had told the pastor that I don't believe everything that is in the bible and that Jesus isn't the only one true way.

So then don't you think your time would be better spent trying to 'enlighten' those people? And please tell me how you managed to 'deny ignorance' when you were faced with such situations?

What does me being up at four in the morning have to do with anything other than the fact that I'm tired?

Err when people are tired they usually REST instead of bumming around on an internet forum.

I don't think that's a valid argument for you also I hope you know you can view forums on here without having to comment on every single one.

So can you. You haven't contributed squat either so get off your high horse.

I just wanted to add my two cents on this topic even if it was irrelevant .

And so did I. So what's the difference? Oh wait, I made fun of what you said. Boohoohoo

God doesn't have a "book club" and we are all going to die whether or not we are part of it. It's pathetic you have to attack some one on the internet because of their views but I pray that you lose the hate in your heart.

Oh buzz off. If you feel offended because of what someone says on an internet forum then you really need to get out more often.

What is truly pathetic is that 75% of the people on ATS are certified whackos who would rather submit to an invisible ghost and revolve their lives around a book full of nauseating garbage than thinking for themselves.

Originally posted by derst1988
*snip*

Seems to me like God likes to refer to himself as plural.

Of course - Triune God - Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Makes sense to me, anyway. There is Biblical support for this, too. John, at the start, is some of that.

or maybe they're......................
angelic????

remember, some of those angels are fallen...but doesn't the bible give stories of "angels" and well, some of the descriptions could very well be of UFO's.. by what I understand, some of DeVinci's work that was done in some of the major churches has little UFO like objects in them!!

maybe it's the same phenomena occurring, people of old just saw angels, whereas, we are more technologically advanced and less entrenched in religion and superstition....so our mind is interpreting the phenomena a little differently...
maybe they are neither angels or aliens from other planets but something entirely different that our minds just can comprehend???

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes

Originally posted by derst1988
*snip*

Seems to me like God likes to refer to himself as plural.

Of course - Triune God - Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Makes sense to me, anyway. There is Biblical support for this, too. John, at the start, is some of that.

No, it's just a royal way of addressing, which many westerners are uncommon with and misinterpret it. Every Jew will laugh at people claiming thigns like this. Semitic languages use the royal plural not because there are "many persons" but because it is an address of respect. This is common in other languages too (In german, the plural of respect "Sie" doesn't mean you are multiple persons, it means one addresses another with that plural out of respect, e.g. "Sie sind hier" - literally "You (PLURAL!) are (PLURAL) here". - contrary to the simple "Du bist hier")