Girl shot in head for challenging gunman

Girl shot in head for challenging gunman

www.heraldsun.com.au

A ninth-grade girl is clinging to life after being shot in the head when she challenged a crazed gunman during a fight outside a Bronx party, cops said yesterday.

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Yvette Torres, 15, a student at DeWitt Clinton High School in The Bronx, was shot in the back of her head during the Saturday night fracas on Valentine Avenue near 187th Street in Fordham.

Witnesses said Torres had challenged the gunman after he began shooting around 11:35pm (local time).

"She tried to break up a fight, she tried to get in the middle," said an eyewitness named Ada, who declined to give her last name.

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While I am never one to blame a victim on a senseless tragedy like this, I really have to make an exception here. It makes it no less a tragedy, and no less sad to see what happened. This girl was also quite brave. However, the only action to take when facing a man with a gun who has started shooting is to take cover. If one isn't armed themselves, staying there and playing dead is about the best idea I can imagine. I'm just not sure what someone expects to accomplish in confronting someone who is already shooting. They obviously have lost all restraint and need put down. Reasoning with them is pretty much a lost cause by that point in time.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Agreed. Once a person has begun discharging their firearm, unless you are physically close enough to the weapon to disarm them AND capable of disarming them, then seeking shelter is the best route.

I applaude the gal's bravery.. I hope she pulls through. But yeah, being a stupid dead hero is NOT better than being smart and alive.

This is what happens when people watch too many movies. Unless you are trained with firearms then you dont know how to handle them or what to do in certain situations.

i blame the girl for being stupid an idiot going around shooting and she wants to act all tough the girl is stupid.

someone is shooting find cover and keep your mouth shut and do not aggrivate the situtation the dude was mentally unbalanced the last thing you wanna do is put a target on yourself.

but the biggest blame by far goes to the shooter a total moron.

i feel for the girl but keep your head and think.

This is what happens when your a crap parent and let your 15 yr old child stay out late on a saturday night at a party. This did not need to happen and just one ounce of parenting would of kept this child from being injured. No child should be anywhere but in bed on a saturday after 11pm.

reply to post by MaxNormal


This could just as likely have happened at the supermarket or the movie theatres, would you blame the weekend super-sale or "Hangover II"? Also I don't think you should blame the girls parents for an event they had nothing to do with, and since she's out late in 9th grade she probably lied to her parents about where she was going anyway. All 9th graders should be in bed by 11pm on a Saturday night? You are too lame dude, this is just a freak accident, lots of parents don't have to worry about their kids getting shot in the head by a mentally unbalanced man when they go to hang out with friends on the weekend.

reply to post by MaxNormal


Maybe the girl has great parents. Maybe she snuck out. Maybe she is a straight-A student with a midnight curfew. Your post is closed-minded and assumes too much.

Well I have to agree with the people here saying that wasn't a very smart thing to do. Well meaning, brave, but not smart at all.

That is really sad... I wish she had not gotten in the middle of it all, especially after the guy started shooting.

I don't even know what else I can say.... I hope she recovers.

Originally posted by neo96
i blame the girl for being stupid an idiot going around shooting and she wants to act all tough the girl is stupid.

You are the second person out of a handful of posts to blame the victim. With such a heartless blame culture, is it a wonder why some debate on ATS and elsewhere is so illogical and irrational?

I applaud the woman. If more people had the balls to actually stand up to violence then perhaps the US would not be such a violent society. The person to blame here is the gunman. He is the person with the gun and he is the person who had the choice - to shoot, or not.

The woman is the victim.

Regards

maybe the girl knew the gun man, and was trying to stop him, maybe she was trying to act though in front of her friends, it makes no difference she is only 15 and she is badly hurt, I hope she makes a full recovery, the person at fault here is the gunman

You can't break up a gunfight without.. well a GUN! "She got in the middle?" Of course she got shot, that's what the secret service does to act as a human shield. Tragic, but stupid.

You blame the girl?

Hmmm.



I blame the guy that pulled the trigger.


How is it we do not see this the same way? There is no justification.

reply to post by paraphi


what? you want more people to stand up to idiots with guns?

your going to have a whole lot more people just like that girl if not dead.

reply to post by MaxNormal


I was allowed to stay out late and I am still alive. This isn't necassarily bad parenting, it all depends on context and how responsible the 15 year old was.

If New York allowed concealed carry, would this have still happened? Or would the shooter have been taken out before she decided to confront him?

I am 110% behind every citizen being licensed for concealed carry.

reply to post by paraphi

"I wish more people would stand up like this"

You my friend are very very unintelligent!!!!

If more people did this, all you would have are more corpses and more injuries. Period!! I am very thankful that your voice is muffled by common sense!

Poor kid needs prayers or at least good wishes and not judgement. It's the right of teenagers to have stupid moments. It goes with the age and inexperience and acne and insecurity. I hope she can get as good care and good results as seen with Gabbie Giffords, despite likely not having the same resources. And I hope if she survives and somehow goes into public service, she doesn't get accused of being the anti Christ as poor Ms. Giffords is, as seen on her thread in this forum.