The Destruction of Human History....

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It is important to know where we came from. But it is more important to know where we are going.

The destruction of the library of Alexandria irks me to no end. Watching the movie, Agora only poked that inner fire of anger.

But what irks me more, is was not the destruction, but the forgeries of the Renaissance period. Some were only found out because the artist usually got paid little to nothing while the agents/dealers got a lot of money.

So the artist felt entitled to more so they would come out. The works were so genuine looking that buyers and historians alike had the artist recreate the artifact. Which they did, with amazing detail and they all had secret concoctions to age statues (alchemy was also big back then.), which they later hid in fields for some serf to dig up while plowing. Remember art was big then, and brought in big bucks.

So a part of me wonders how much of the classical and earlier dark ages never existed, at least as we know them. There were also a lot of manuscript forges. Today’s historians are just like those art buyers back then, they won't except the notion that what they spent their entire lives around may perhaps be fakes, really really convincing, but fakes none-the-less.

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Dear Slayer69,

Very interesting topic. S&F for that.

I find it also a travesty, a massive one at that. To answer some of your points personally, I believe what is considered historical fact today, by intellectuals and historians alike, is something which can be verified from the original perspective and secondary and tertiary sources. Ideally if it is a recounting of a victor/loser event, then there is written documentation from both victor, loser and a third party not involved.

As you state the victors often write history and then destroy anything else not written by themselves, so it makes having a true history of our existence on this planet very hard to come by. Then of course you have that which is hidden on purpose to stop us asking questions or knowing the bigger picture.

One specific "book" which always makes me raise an eyebrow is the Old and New Testament. I know, I know, this is better suited in another forum so i'll keep it brief. Everything points to the Bible (and the Qu'ran etc..) being manufactured post era, with zero secondary and tertiary documents to back anything up, yet they are trusted as accurate sources and the contents believed to greater or lesser degrees by billions. Interesting wouldn't you say?

As to man's destruction of history and archeological items.. well.. all I can say is that we are a pest on this planet as much as any other viral infection. Sadly our belief in supremacy over other's have caused massive amounts of damage to that which we should have cherished. So many things lost for eternity. Sad face.

Thank you for raising this point, I hope that eventually we will have a true recounting of our entire history to peruse.. however I think that TPTB will still cover up/destroy it before we get our hands on anything.

Regards,
T

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Nice work, Slayer. S+F

This story goes on and on throughout history;
The dumbing down of humanity through monopolizing knowledge.
Those in power take what they want and destroy the rest.

...and still we wonder how they could make such an advanced machine as the Antikythera astronomical clock 2000 years ago?

I recently saw a french documentary on norwegian television about how the Polynesians conquered the entire Pacific with their ocean going ships.

Translated from the french page...

Documentary Olivier Comte and Helena Constanty (France, 2009). 55 min. Unpublished. The Polynesians have long been victims of a denial of history. These primitive men, assured the European missionaries of the eighteenth century could not have a civilization based on purpose on several islands separated by thousands of miles. The hypothesis to hold, they say, was that of poor fishermen lost drifting at random winds, from island to island. Symbol of impotence: the canoes used by the people of Hawaii or Easter Island. These boats - too fragile, in the West, to tackle the high seas - were burned to suffocate the pride that could sense the natives for their maritime past.

The documentary describes how the first to discover the Polynesian islands described their different kinds of canoes, from the small ones to the large seagoing double canoes, by which they were able to travel everywhere in and around the Pacific. Their large double canoes was their freedom and the early missionarys in the 1800's felt their freedom as a threat to their religious teachings and therefore destroyed all the sea going vessels everywhere and on every island throughout the Pacific. Now the Polynesians couldn't go anywhere and were totally under the colonists/missionarys power. This was perfectly fitted to the western view of the Polynesians as dumb and that they only had reached the Polynesian islands by accident, drifting at random by wind and current. The true history, that they navigated everywhere throughout the Pacific at will was destroyed by destroying their ships and the knowledge that was inherited from generation to generation.

The canoe, however, is central to the history of Polynesia. Some anthropologists and European sailors of the twentieth century, less puffy certainty that their ancestors, have recreated the canoes of the past to prove that it was possible to cross without map or compass, the largest of the oceans. Illuminated by the sun of the Pacific, the movie built around archival footage of meetings with scientists and eyewitnesses, can trace this epic maritime, scientific and, above all, human.

Luckily, there has been some people that have worked to rediscover their art of ship building and navigation to prove their true history and knowledge.

I haven't found the documentary narrated in english, but most of the interviewed speeks in english and french. The french page holds only the text about the
French television page
Here is the documentary in norwegian narrative (but with interviews in english and french).

Here is an interesting site www.nzetc.org...

Yes, this is repeated again and again throughout history;
You conquer a people by removing their knowledge and history. Sad but it's still going on around the world. Send in the missionaries, give the people modern items and medicine so they forget how to make their own.

Regarding this, some years ago I saw another documentary about a norwegian family that moved to (I believe it was either Mali or Niger). They was determined to learn the old traditions of growing the local plants in the desert and to re-teach the locals how to use and live from their own plants. They was very successful and the whole area where they lived went from desert to green and the people had the food they needed just by growing their own native plants. This went on until a western aid organisation visited that area and made a film from the area. They filmed kids, sick from malaria on a hospital and told the people that saw the movie that they was starving and there was a great famine in the area. To undermine their famine perception they included an image of a dead cow near a village and told that there was a big drought that was the cause of this catastophe. Nothing of this was true, but the film was sent in all major news channels and the organisation received enormous sums of money. In return they shipped large amounts of grain everywhere to this area. What happened was that everyone received bags of wheat to last a couple of years, and noone bothered to harvest seeds from their native plants to sow for the next year. The result was that all the work that they had invested into farming and maintaining a good food production was destroyed by the food aid. And when the wheat was eaten they had no farmed plants left and they had a severe famine for real.
The norwegian family was angry about how the aid industry could ruin and destroy old inherited knowledge and traditions by firstly producing a story about a famine that wasn't real and second by destroying local farming by shipping large quanities of wheat to the farmers and population. I have never thought of this in this way before, but I have learned much from it. This is how we have destroyed many cultures by just being helpful in our own ways.

Remove a people from their history, traditions and knowledge and they are conquered and ready to be formed in our image. It's just the same technique that is used to train special forces. Break them down and remove all their previous traces of self and then you can build them up in your image. This method has been used with success all throughout history and it never fails. ORDO AB CHAO sounds familiar???

Originally posted by StealthyKat
Just like when the Iraq war started and they looted and destroyed so many ancient artifacts and works of art that can never be replaced. It just made me sick. They call it the "cradle of civilization" for a reason.....and some of that stuff is gone for good.

Was surprising the looting of the museum after Rumsfeld and others assured us it would be secure in the bombing. I don't doubt much was spirited away since there was advance notice but looting started immediately after the bombing. I remember thinking some world wide body of interest would secure these artifacts for Iraq before the military invasion but did not appear to be the case. It was a free for all.

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S&F for a great thread. Im looking for enlargements of the Colonial and Aztec Codices.
The tragedy in this should not be underestimated.
We are a gruesome and uncultured species I think because we never understand the past and constantly repeat it. The entrepreneurial spirit wins out over loyalty to species every time. Sad but spilled milk in a way.

But what happens when all we are left with are tattered remnants?

Tragically we are left with tattered remnants of our past.
More reason to preserve and respect what we have.

More reason to focus on the future. Grow healthier young.
That we can do that right now.
memes. en.wikipedia.org...

If the Romans had anything to do with burring down the Library of Alexandra there might
be a cause in their god Mars being their guide and replaces any knowledge of the time
Venus raked destruction on the Earth. This according to Velikovsky of course following
his analysis of the times. If indeed Venus caused great disasters flipping the poles of
Earth way before the entrance of Mars then Rome had not even started.
Mars followed Venus being knocked out of orbit and ruled during the time of Rome as their god.

Velikovsky found one or two papyrus that related great destruction on Egypt but if the
Library of Alexandra had tons of data the Romans might take offense at such material
or just do to the havoc of the celestial onslaught the Library of Alexandra was destroyed
and never had any history of the events until being rebuilt. Greece knew of the Mars
episodes as I think Velikovsky interprets some of their writing during that period.

Be aware that great knowledge in our own time is being blocked from Tesla on the nature
and working of the universe and infinite power of K Capture down line of mans history
in other matters for the cause of publishers and not just for the agent Shakespeare and
pre Colombian America besides matching ancients event by Velikovsky because the main
rule is for aliens to appear in Shakespeare. That should put the end on any traceability.
Every finding of Lyne about Tesla either gets taken away or crowded with K capture stories
or hydrogen findings all over the net that leads to dropping the ball in the capture of science.

If it wasn't for Christianity...where would be today...

Originally posted by Saigon1914
If it wasn't for Christianity...where would be today...

We would be pretty much in the same boat. There has been destruction of relics and artifacts from all corners of the globe and for a whole host of reasons. Unfortunately It's human nature which we should in modern times recognize and end the cycle.

lets not even talk about our FUTURE when no one can read a 5" floppy, a 31/4 floppy, and all those documents that will require a certain "reader" to read them! when everything becomes "digital" what will happen when the power goes off for 5,000 years?!

todays media and books will not last even 50 years before deterioration sets in!

Even now, many school kids cannot add and subtract.

Try to fix your own car lately?!

all our seeds becoming "Certified hybrid gene corporate" and the crops own seeds are made infertile by design: what happens if society collapses and there are no more seeds to plant?!

How many musics do you never hear as maybe three Companies control 90% of all the FM stations all across America?!
[try radiosure.com, they have a FM station aggregater that gives to you 19,000+ world radio stations!!]

at our time accelerations, today, "five years" become 50 years and "ancient history" is 20 years ago!

we see the vanishing of our past right before our eyes!!

freestone

The Pentagon Papers are no longer SECRET.
Or CONFIDENTIAL whatever the classification was.

The man who wrote them exposed them.
Did anyone else ever read them.
Nam just carried on without Nixon or the Pentagon reading any of it.
When their evil power gave out it was the same as Rome or Mongolians having their last days

Doubt anyone read any war plans as evil can just carry on without any ringmaster.
Hitler in his time was indeed a big help in doing evil but with
so much going on he had lots of help.

However I wonder if all the working papers have been exposed and the technical work
is contained under National Security although many countries have the Hydrogen bomb.
Perhaps many lies would be uncovered and we would not have to rely on folks like Lyne
for setting the record straight.

Iraq gave up many secrets in the identification of Nebuchadnezzar in related
ancient texts by Velikovsky. The work of our interpretation of the past is full
of infighting and some overall correctional society that can't give anyone full
faith in their undertakings. Basically ancient history is a waste of time especially
when the CIA puts hordes of money into ancient alien publications.
The records we have used by Velikovsky have never been interpreted correctly in
any scheme of things. From before the Flood to Nebuchadnezzar who ever did that
before. Records from Iraq or Alexandria woud just be wasted on publishers confusing
us for profit.

It bothers me that we have lost the majority of our true history. Between the victors of wars rewriting the history and religious leaders destroying anything that didn't fit with their teachings most of our history has been lost for good.

Ancient man was much smarter than we give him credit for.

Ironic that we think of ourselves as being so advanced, when it is the same advanced technologies we trumpet that contribute to the dumbing down of society. Kids today get their news from Jon Stewart and think Wikipedia is accurate.

Pretty sad.

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There is a lot of stuff currently stored in the 'basements' of many of the worlds leading museums that has been effectivly untouched since it was originally procured. Not to mention the many rumours of artifacts and documents including natural history specimens that cannot or do not fit into the currently held understandings and beliefs of the scientific community. what i would give to search through these 'wharehouses'. I suspect that they would be as extensive as the fabled 'vaults' supposedly hidden beneath the giza pyramids.

Attempts to hold back any possible chaos as a result of wildly suggestive evidence is a wise approach but it still sucks that i may not live to see the results of any research into these things.

Great post Slayer! I would tend to believe that even though countless vessels of knowledge have been destroyed through out the ages for multiple reasons from greed to the hoarding of ancient knowledge, I seriously doubt that the information is gone as well, I believe while the source material may have been destroyed, the wisdom these relics and artifacts conveyed is still available to a select few.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by nenothtu

 

Thanks for the reply Neno....

What would people think if all of a sudden the Chinese opened that pyramid and some how all the artifacts just simply disappeared? Because basically this is exactly what happened with the "Great pyramid" of Egypt. For those who believe it to be a Pharaohs tomb. If one could possibly imagine the great amount of artifacts/treasure from that period that has been lost/destroyed.

When one considers how amazing an historically obscure child pharaohs tomb was "King Tut" one could only imagine all that has been lost from the Great Pyramid Builder Khufus tomb.

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It hasn't all been destroyed. Who knowws what lies hidden from public view in private hoards of the very wealthy and powerful.I think we would all be shocked if they were revealed to us all.

There is too much knowledge out there for the world to see. Obama's cutting your access to knowledge/history:

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/13/obama-administration-cut-access-federal-websites/


Equivalent to an old medieval book burning session. Guess all the EPA pollution stuff will likely be on the list to cut...so people don't know.

It really is depressing the amount of knowledge that was lost with the destruction of the library of Alexandria, to think how advance we'd be today if the dark ages never happened.. really is depressing.

Primitive people seem to have been a lot less primitive than we thought.
Witness the architecture, the art, the archetypal socio-religio-political ideas that endure to this day

We used to build pyramids and Gothic cathedrals. Now we stand in front a microwave yelling, "Hurry!"

And the people are just as attractive if not more than modern people!
Ancient Egypt? Yeah, I'd hit that.

Linear reality doesn't make as much sense as, say, an inclusive spiraling cyclic type infinite unfolding.
From dust to dust---which forms the compost out of which more things grow.

With our exponentially growing knowledge, it seems like only yesterday we dropped our rocks for guns and it seems like we're teetering on the brink of tomorrow--world chaos, natural disasters,The Rapture, Glenn Beck, aliens arriving, the Mayan end cycle, etc.

One last thought: what happens if our civilization disappeared?
We are almost at the point of being so wireless that if everyone vanished, what would archeologists find years from now? We leave nothing as stable as the pyramids or Stonehenge.
Our most enduring product would be Styrofoam or plastic.

Soon, when paper has disappeared, where would our writing be?
Unobtainable, magically stored on wondrous devices.

Maybe the future will wonder why we were obsessed with rolling around in boxes and erecting giant yellow M's.

"A lot of history is just dirty politics cleaned up for the consumption of children and other innocents."

~Richard Reeves

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